Why do you believe in the evolution theory? (2)

[JacksBratt]

Religious opinion as "truth". There it is again, lewiscalledhimmaster.

Hey, you asked me to explain my Gibberish, did you not?

So, I did.

 

[JacksBratt]

Many people say, be home before sunset, but they don't believe that the Sun orbits the Earth.

A football is shaped like a bean but it's called a ball.....
Your point?
A little different than someone saying "I choose not to believe ".

Hardly a parallel.

A man, you don't know, comes up to you and tells you that you have to come quick. Your friend or loved one is in trouble and needs you right now. They told me to come and get you. Hurry...

Do you choose to believe them or choose not to?

It's not who, it is what, such as convincing evidence. Belief is not a conscious choice. Would you hold me responsible for something beyond my control?

Nope

Pull the other leg. It has bells on it.

Why do you have bells on only one leg?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Mainstream science? This changes as the centuries pass. The word of God is the rock I stand on. I have no doubt about that.

At the turn of the century in 1900 most transportation was still by horse, most heat was by fire, most communication by writing, most food was fresh and maybe an ice box. Not in total absolute but for the most part.

Now, 1014 years later, look at the changes. Science and knowledge has exploded. To top it off, the more we know the more we have questions for.

In the end, God's word stands.

As an autistic person, I can understand the aversion to change, but as a reasonable person, I also understand that not changing does not equate to being trustworthy. For example, a humorous math error that many small children make is to add 1+1 and get 11 (because two 1's next to each other looks like that number). Now, is the person who continues to get 11 as the answer for the rest of their life more trustworthy than the person who changes their answer to 2?

 

[Davian]

Hey, you asked me to explain my Gibberish, did you not?

So, I did.

lol, you didn't actually explain it.

 

[crjmurray]

A football is shaped like a bean but it's called a ball.....
Your point?
A little different than someone saying "I choose not to believe ".

Hardly a parallel.

A man, you don't know, comes up to you and tells you that you have to come quick. Your friend or loved one is in trouble and needs you right now. They told me to come and get you. Hurry...

Do you choose to believe them or choose not to?



Nope




Why do you have bells on only one leg?

A bean?!

 

[Davian]

A football is shaped like a bean but it's called a ball.....
Your point?
A little different than someone saying "I choose not to believe ".

Hardly a parallel.

A man, you don't know, comes up to you and tells you that you have to come quick. Your friend or loved one is in trouble and needs you right now. They told me to come and get you. Hurry...

Do you choose to believe them or choose not to?

Poor analogy, as that is completely plausible.

A man, you don't know, comes up to you and tells you that you have buy his lifejacket, or you will drown. You look around, and there is no open water within miles. There are no clouds in the sky. He can't show you this life jacket - he says you must accept that he has it on faith. He reads from this ancient brochure, and the story it paints is one full of holes, so that you doubt it could float itself, never mind a person. He admits that this jacket meets no certifications, and cannot be tested, and has only third-hand stories that anyone has ever tried this alleged flotation device. He makes it clear that only *his* lifejackets work, and all the others are crap. And don't fall for any of this "testing" propaganda; if you accept that the testing methods are a valid approach to exploring the nature of floatation devices, then you will drown for sure. Absolutely, he says.

Do you believe that this guy has actual life jackets? Or are you skeptical?

Can you consciously flip back and forth between those two options?

Nope

Do you think I should be held responsible for something beyond my control by your hypothetical deity?

Why do you have bells on only one leg?

Because if I had them on both legs, the noise would be continuous from the people here "pulling my leg".

 

[JacksBratt]

As an autistic person, I can understand the aversion to change, but as a reasonable person, I also understand that not changing does not equate to being trustworthy. For example, a humorous math error that many small children make is to add 1+1 and get 11 (because two 1's next to each other looks like that number). Now, is the person who continues to get 11 as the answer for the rest of their life more trustworthy than the person who changes their answer to 2?

Don't worry simple math is a tool for science. It is an absolute.

I think 1 + 1 will always equal 2.

So, don't worry.

 

[JacksBratt]

lol, you didn't actually explain it.

lol, really, I didn't explain it? Really?

I'm sorry if you cannot grasp the concept. I can understand if you don't believe it. But, not understand.... what don't you understand?

 

[JacksBratt]

A bean?!

An egg? A blimp?

I used the word "bean" as my son's friend calls it "hand bean" due to the balls shape and that they carry it for most of the time. It's his dig at the term foot ball.

 

[JacksBratt]

Poor analogy, as that is completely plausible.

So, you would believe him. That is a choice.

A man, you don't know, comes up to you and tells you that you have buy his lifejacket, or you will drown. You look around, and there is no open water within miles. There are no clouds in the sky. He can't show you this life jacket - he says you must accept that he has it on faith. He reads from this ancient brochure, and the story it paints is one full of holes, so that you doubt it could float itself, never mind a person. He admits that this jacket meets no certifications, and cannot be tested, and has only third-hand stories that anyone has ever tried this alleged flotation device. He makes it clear that only *his* lifejackets work, and all the others are crap. And don't fall for any of this "testing" propaganda; if you accept that the testing methods are a valid approach to exploring the nature of floatation devices, then you will drown for sure. Absolutely, he says.

Your analogy doesn't point out that the ancient brochure has predicted things to happen and then they have happened as it predicted, in detail.

Do you think I should be held responsible for something beyond my control by your hypothetical deity?

Whatever you believe and for what ever reason you believe it, you will be judged based on what you knew and observed and what you concluded. You WILL be without excuse. God is just and would not punish a person for things they were ignorant about.


Romans 1:20New International Version (NIV)

20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Because if I had them on both legs, the noise would be continuous from the people here "pulling my leg".

Go on, now your pulling my leg....

 

[PsychoSarah]

Don't worry simple math is a tool for science. It is an absolute.

I think 1 + 1 will always equal 2.

So, don't worry.

-_- There are equations that disprove math, so that isn't entirely true.

And you failed to address my point: which person is more trustworthy, the one who retains their original stance that 1+1 = 11, or the person who changes their answer to 2?

 

[dad]

Indeed. We wouldn't want to be comparing gods to gods. That would be crazy.

You could compare all the light from all the stars and sun in the universe to a gleam in a mouse's eye from a candle in the far part of a big room if you like. Take that and multiply it by a trillion universe all with far greater light and scope, and you may start to get the idea.

 

[JacksBratt]

-_- There are equations that disprove math, so that isn't entirely true.

And you failed to address my point: which person is more trustworthy, the one who retains their original stance that 1+1 = 11, or the person who changes their answer to 2?

Firstly, I said "simple math"

In answer to your question. When 1+1 = 11 was disproved and 1+1=2 was proven, a trustworthy person will accept the proven answer.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Firstly, I said "simple math"

In answer to your question. When 1+1 = 11 was disproved and 1+1=2 was proven, a trustworthy person will accept the proven answer.

So... the source that CHANGED was right then?

 

[JacksBratt]

So... the source that CHANGED was right then?

Yep, and science is always changing. Gods word will always be the truth. Science will catch up.

Soon Science will see that 1+1=2 Just like Gods word says.

 

[Booko]

Yep, and science is always changing. Gods word will always be the truth. Science will catch up.

Soon Science will see that 1+1=2 Just like Gods word says.

Science is supposed to be changing. That's how it works.

God's Word apparently changes too, or Christians would be following 613 commandments in the Torah, and they claim they don't have to.

I don't particularly have a problem with that, but to claim what God tells us never changes is to ignore the contents of the Bible, and that I do have a problem with.

 

[Davian]

lol, really, I didn't explain it? Really?

I'm sorry if you cannot grasp the concept. I can understand if you don't believe it. But, not understand.... what don't you understand?

Maybe you did. I stopped reading at the point where you proffered opinion as truth.

 

[Davian]

So, you would believe him. That is a choice.

Not a conscious choice. As you deleted from your previous response, answer me this: Can you consciously flip back and forth between those two options? Can you believe, and then choose not to, and then switch back, consciously? no?

Your analogy doesn't point out that the ancient brochure has predicted things to happen and then they have happened as it predicted, in detail.

And failed to happen, but we'll cherry pick as we please, won't we?

Did I mention that the factory is powered by perpetual motion machines? Free from entropy, the laws of physics can take a hike!

Are you skeptical yet? or does anything go? What if they were delivered using invisible jets?

Whatever you believe and for what ever reason you believe it, you will be judged based on what you knew and observed and what you concluded. You WILL be without excuse. God is just and would not punish a person for things they were ignorant about.


Romans 1:20New International Version (NIV)

20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

As cool as invisible jets are, they are not going to sell me on those lifejackets.

From post #5 in this thread: "Every time I see the old invisible-yet-plainly-seen chestnut rolled out, as if it is a seasoned, reasonable argument, I laugh out loud. What may have been poetic or profound in its time is reduced to empty rhetoric in a physical sciences subforum, and should be called out as such."

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Don't worry simple math is a tool for science. It is an absolute.

I think 1 + 1 will always equal 2.

So, don't worry.

There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who know binary numbers, and those who do not.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

You could compare all the light from all the stars and sun in the universe to a gleam in a mouse's eye from a candle in the far part of a big room if you like. Take that and multiply it by a trillion universe all with far greater light and scope, and you may start to get the idea.

Only those who actually make a determined study of the various religions, might be able to have a proper understanding of what sort of God is the God of the Bible. This one is very cold, but who knows maybe his heart will melt under the warmth of the rays coming from some far off distant sun.