Why does Mormonism want to be Associated with Christianity?

[thepromiseofgrace]

I'd like to know that also. Unfortunately, the last time I asked him, our friend broke off the long-running discussion rather than attempt an answer. I was left to conclude that there isn't an answer.

Surely it must be something earth shatteringly important for God to want his creation to know, If he has added to something he said should never be added too.

 

[Norah63]

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Would you stone a brother or sister?

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Would you stone a brother or sister?

I have prayed about it and the spirit of truth has told me too ask the question.

 

[Albion]

Surely it must be something earth shatteringly important for God to want his creation to know, If he has added to something he said should never be added too.

I suppose, although my comment was more oriented towards the experience we've all had of being in a discussion that goes back and forth until the critical question (such as yours about the restoration idea) is asked, and then the spokesman suddenly leaves it up to you to research further, or has too many other things to do to continue the discussion, etc.

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

I suppose, although my comment was more oriented towards the experience we've all had of being in a discussion that goes back and forth until the critical question (such as yours about the restoration idea) is asked, and then the spokesman suddenly leaves it up to you to research further, or has too many other things to do to continue the discussion, etc.

Oh ok, I see what you mean, i haven't really been here long enough to have had many deep discussions with others but you would have thought anyone would stay with the discussion to show at least why they believe it is a certain way.

 

[RevelationTestament]

why do you consider it the restored gospel, what does it restore that the bible has not covered.

That is a fair question that would perhaps best be answered by reading it. However, I will hazard a response. The BoM is largely a confirming testament of Jesus Christ for these last days. Since the Bible prophesies of it, the two are meant to speak together to be a confirming revelation to the house of Israel. The BoM clarifies prophesies of the Bible that are oft misinterpreted. Preterists, for example, do not believe the lost tribes will be regathered to Him. The BoM dispels such false notions as it clearly says that Israel is yet to be gathered in from her long dispersion. It clarifies a good number of the prophecies in Isaiah in terms of their chronology. The BoM also clarifies principles of our free agency granted to us by God and principles of the atonement by our Savior.

do yu consider the book of mormon was inspired by god in the same way the bible was?

It was written down by men and then translated by the inspiration of God, so in that sense yes, it is the same as the books of the Bible. However, it does not contain direct dictation of the law like found in the Bible, but was written mostly through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

 

[katerinah1947]

That is a fair question that would perhaps best be answered by reading it. However, I will hazard a response. The BoM is largely a confirming testament of Jesus Christ for these last days. Since the Bible prophesies of it, the two are meant to speak together to be a confirming revelation to the house of Israel. The BoM clarifies prophesies of the Bible that are oft misinterpreted. Preterists, for example, do not believe the lost tribes will be regathered to Him. The BoM dispels such false notions as it clearly says that Israel is yet to be gathered in from her long dispersion. It clarifies a good number of the prophecies in Isaiah in terms of their chronology. The BoM also clarifies principles of our free agency granted to us by God and principles of the atonement by our Savior. It was written down by men and then translated by the inspiration of God, so in that sense yes, it is the same as the books of the Bible. However, it does not contain direct dictation of the law like found in the Bible, but was written mostly through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Hi,
One subject. You talk of the Holy Spirit. Is that the same spirit which is in your church, which causes people to get very emotional when giving personal testimony in front of the congregation???
LOVE,
...Katherina., .... .

 

[TheBarrd]

That is a fair question that would perhaps best be answered by reading it. However, I will hazard a response. The BoM is largely a confirming testament of Jesus Christ for these last days. Since the Bible prophesies of it, the two are meant to speak together to be a confirming revelation to the house of Israel. The BoM clarifies prophesies of the Bible that are oft misinterpreted. Preterists, for example, do not believe the lost tribes will be regathered to Him. The BoM dispels such false notions as it clearly says that Israel is yet to be gathered in from her long dispersion. It clarifies a good number of the prophecies in Isaiah in terms of their chronology. The BoM also clarifies principles of our free agency granted to us by God and principles of the atonement by our Savior. It was written down by men and then translated by the inspiration of God, so in that sense yes, it is the same as the books of the Bible. However, it does not contain direct dictation of the law like found in the Bible, but was written mostly through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

This raises several questions. First of all, is the restored gospel completely contained in the BoM? It's been awhile since I've read it, but I don't recall anything in there other than the adventures of the Israelites who supposedly left Israel to come to America. Second, I was born and raised here in the US and I've traveled all over the continental US. There don't seem to be any lost tribes here that I've ever seen. Lots of Indians...but they seem to have their own history, and none that I've ever met have any kind of legends about having come here from Israel. The closest thing I've ever heard in nearly 65 years of life here in the New World is a legend about a "great white spirit". Some folks think that might refer to Jesus...but wasn't He also an Isrealite? The Great White Spirit is very often an animal, like a white wolf or a white buffalo.

Native American beliefs are quite varied, and I find them fascinating.
But they don't seem to have much in common with Christianity, restored or otherwise...

 

[Ironhold]

I am surprised, if this is true.
LOVE,
....Katherina., .... .

Joseph spent much of his adult life being falsely charged by individuals who believed that if they could hang something on him they could discredit him. I actually recall reading somewhere that in one region the false charges were so frequent that he'd be released by one law enforcement organization only to be taken into custody by another.

Under the circumstances, I'd say "having an epic meltdown" is a perfectly understandable response.

 

[TasteForTruth]

Hi,
Thank-you for your responses. It is obvious that rightly or wrongly, you are comitted to Joseph Smith, and the religion that you belong to.

Actually, I am committed to the truth, whether it is easy to accept or not. Joseph Smith was a man. Imperfect and fallen like all the rest of us. As such, he committed sins and made errors of judgment and all those other things we mortals do that are injurious to ourselves or to others. People who don't believe Joseph was a prophet often misquote him or misconstrue his actions or their motives (as if they knew!). These kinds of half-truths, or outright falsehoods, should be exposed and condemned. So, while Joseph said the words you posted (or something close to them...remember, people were scribbling down his words as he spoke them), it is important—for the truth's sake, not Joseph's—that we collect as much context as we are able before we make judgments about the words or the speaker, or his motives.

There is much I can say about God. I am not permitted to teach religion, but only talk about my knowledge of God, and share my experiences, of Him. It seems about religion, I am a poor teacher and this has been proven to me.
My dealings with God are extremely Trinitarian. Like Job, I have essentially seen God, as He is. I also have that relationship with Him, from the Question. I also have a relationship with Jesus, with The Holy Spirit, and with Mary also. This year, I have been for the first time, been dealing with angels and saints. I know how that works now.
Also, this year added by God, for you to know of me, is the concept of living saints, in general who they are, and what they are like. Recently, so you can suspect some of the depth of what God, has put me through, for His own reasons and actually pleasures, I know of one priest, not of Rome, but of Jesus, ordained personally by Him. That is extremely rare, and has a Biblical name. Abraham met that type of priest once, and gave him 10% of all he had.
I am extremely hesitant to say, and you have not asked me, what God had me say, to Mormon Missionaries for years. Neither have you been asking me, what the content of that emotional response was, after seeing The Essence of God, and having Jesus reveal His Core personalty to me, and seeing Mary as she was when she was older, immediately before she died., and then seeing and interfacing with LDS missionaries, soon after arriving home. I don't need to know why, you chose not to. I do not.
In closing and maybe in good-bye-4now, it actually saddened me, that you have not asked, one who verifiably knows God, what God is like.
LOVE,
...Katerina., .... .

It is my privilege to come to know God by appealing directly to Him. Don't be offended that I don't dig deeper into your personal visions and such. They were given to you, not to me. And they ought to be treated (by you) with great care, in my opinion.

 

[TasteForTruth]

This raises several questions. First of all, is the restored gospel completely contained in the BoM? It's been awhile since I've read it, but I don't recall anything in there other than the adventures of the Israelites who supposedly left Israel to come to America. Second, I was born and raised here in the US and I've traveled all over the continental US. There don't seem to be any lost tribes here that I've ever seen. Lots of Indians...but they seem to have their own history, and none that I've ever met have any kind of legends about having come here from Israel. The closest thing I've ever heard in nearly 65 years of life here in the New World is a legend about a "great white spirit". Some folks think that might refer to Jesus...but wasn't He also an Isrealite? The Great White Spirit is very often an animal, like a white wolf or a white buffalo.

Native American beliefs are quite varied, and I find them fascinating.
But they don't seem to have much in common with Christianity, restored or otherwise...

All truth that has been revealed from the First Vision on... that is all part of the Restored Gospel. And all truth that is or will be revealed in our current day, and beyond, is also part of the Restored Gospel. We use the modifier "Restored" for purposes of distinction. It really is simply "the Gospel."

 

[drstevej]

All truth that has been revealed from the First Vision on... that is all part of the Restored Gospel. And all truth that is or will be revealed in our current day, and beyond, is also part of the Restored Gospel. We use the modifier "Restored" for purposes of distinction. It really is simply "the Gospel."

Galatians 1
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

How did Paul preach a gospel which is still being revealed?

 

[TasteForTruth]

Galatians 1
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

How did Paul preach a gospel which is still being revealed?

The same way all prophets preach the gospel—they preach what they possess.

 

[Rescued One]

Surely it must be something earth shatteringly important for God to want his creation to know, If he has added to something he said should never be added too.

Please explain.

 

[katerinah1947]

Joseph spent much of his adult life being falsely charged by individuals who believed that if they could hang something on him they could discredit him. I actually recall reading somewhere that in one region the false charges were so frequent that he'd be released by one law enforcement organization only to be taken into custody by another.

Under the circumstances, I'd say "having an epic meltdown" is a perfectly understandable response.

Hi,
Yes, if all your statements are true, An epic meltdown would very much account for his non prophetic and inaccurate words.
I was a prophet afer seeing The Essence of God, for 18 months. Nothing that I said or did, was not correct, and everything happened exactly as my words said. Only in time, for my type of experience, it faded, just like they said it would.
So, I am not to be listened to totally accurately. I don't speak that way anymore. I have even caught myself in moments, writing somethings that are wrong. I then correct them later.
I can understand your epic melt down words.
LOVE,
...Katherina., .... .

 

[katerinah1947]

Actually, I am committed to the truth, whether it is easy to accept or not. Joseph Smith was a man. Imperfect and fallen like all the rest of us. As such, he committed sins and made errors of judgment and all those other things we mortals do that are injurious to ourselves or to others. People who don't believe Joseph was a prophet often misquote him or misconstrue his actions or their motives (as if they knew!). These kinds of half-truths, or outright falsehoods, should be exposed and condemned. So, while Joseph said the words you posted (or something close to them...remember, people were scribbling down his words as he spoke them), it is important—for the truth's sake, not Joseph's—that we collect as much context as we are able before we make judgments about the words or the speaker, or his motives.

It is my privilege to come to know God by appealing directly to Him. Don't be offended that I don't dig deeper into your personal visions and such. They were given to you, not to me. And they ought to be treated (by you) with great care, in my opinion.

Hi,

I am hurt, not offended. I am priveleged always to be hurt, for God in that way.

Yes, I was given much. As far as how they ought to be treated, (by me), with great care, in your opinion, I am told how to treat those. I am to share.

My words are not of my own opinion. It is what I am supposed to do. Those are my marching orders.

I am to tell others about God, for too few know God. Those are my orders, and they are not subject to change, except by God, and He never has changed a single order or request to me, ever.

Assignments, are different than orders. Most call those working for The Holy Spiirt, I think. Yet, many of my assignements are working for Jesus, directly. I imagaine God can change even His own orders, it is just that for me, I can't recally any right now.

LOVE,
...Katherina., .... .

 

[TasteForTruth]

Hi,

I am hurt, not offended. I am priveleged always to be hurt, for God in that way.

Yes, I was given much. As far as how they ought to be treated, (by me), with great care, in your opinion, I am told how to treat those. I am to share.

My words are not of my own opinion. It is what I am supposed to do. Those are my marching orders.

I am to tell others about God, for too few know God. Those are my orders, and they are not subject to change, except by God, and He never has changed a single order or request to me, ever.

Assignments, are different than orders. Most call those working for The Holy Spiirt, I think. Yet, many of my assignements are working for Jesus, directly. I imagaine God can change even His own orders, it is just that for me, I can't recally any right now.

LOVE,
...Katherina., .... .

I'm sorry that my words hurt you. I was not trying to. If God told you to share your experiences, then you are doing what you should do. That is commendable.

God bless

 

[katerinah1947]

I'm sorry that my words hurt you. I was not trying to. If God told you to share your experiences, then you are doing what you should do. That is commendable.

God bless

Hi,
What is so hard for me to say, especially to you now, for some reason;I know; It is because I think it will sound harsh. I think it will hurt your feelings. I think you might see this as, as, as... anything but what it is.

At it's least emotional, you will just be sure you have been lied to by me. Or you are sure, no god, let alone The God, revealed this to me.

In those encounters, the emotional viseral completely involved now response and responses were: "Who do you want me to give up....The Father....The Son...who? Who do you want me to give up?" I even thought of The Holy Spirit. I was bent over, with "Who?" Quickly I listened to my words. I then thought those two young men at the other side of the door, might be hearing what?, rather than who. I thought they might be thinking that they were going to save me from a life of drugs or alcohol. Pulling myself together, I raised myself up and talked to them. There is more.
I was stunned and pleased in a way, and remember you told me in your own words, that you care nothing about anythng but the truth. The truth to me, now physical and inside of me, is that Mormons are not Trinitarian, in any way shape or form, to God.
Sorry. I really am. That is what I was shown then, and that is also what God, had me telling Mormons for years, with the caveat of you actually don't know what the Bible says.
LOVE actually and I am sure it must not sound like that right now, but LOVE for real,
...Katie., .... .

 

[TasteForTruth]

Hi,
What is so hard for me to say, especially to you now, for some reason;I know; It is because I think it will sound harsh. I think it will hurt your feelings. I think you might see this as, as, as... anything but what it is.

At it's least emotional, you will just be sure you have been lied to by me. Or you are sure, no god, let alone The God, revealed this to me.

In those encounters, the emotional viseral completely involved now response and responses were: "Who do you want me to give up....The Father....The Son...who? Who do you want me to give up?" I even thought of The Holy Spirit. I was bent over, with "Who?" Quickly I listened to my words. I then thought those two young men at the other side of the door, might be hearing what?, rather than who. I thought they might be thinking that they were going to save me from a life of drugs or alcohol. Pulling myself together, I raised myself up and talked to them. There is more.
I was stunned and pleased in a way, and remember you told me in your own words, that you care nothing about anythng but the truth. The truth to me, now physical and inside of me, is that Mormons are not Trinitarian, in any way shape or form, to God.
Sorry. I really am. That is what I was shown then, and that is also what God, had me telling Mormons for years, with the caveat of you actually don't know what the Bible says.
LOVE actually and I am sure it must not sound like that right now, but LOVE for real,
...Katie., .... .

No, I am not hurt by what you've said, or offended. I simply disagree that what you have received is anything that I should heed. That's all.

God bless.

 

[katerinah1947]

No, I am not hurt by what you've said, or offended. I simply disagree that what you have received is anything that I should heed. That's all.

God bless.

Hi,
I am still a little bit shaking, with having to have said that to you. I will try and finish this now. I must believe, that what God has revealed to me over the years, is true about The Mormon Religion. You do not have to believe that, I do. No one here has to believe that I am what the Church has told me, I must believe, part of which is that God says, you are not Trinitarian, in any way shape or form.
The name you profess that is the same name the Christians use, is merely the same name, and in no way shape or form, God's Son, Jesus The Christ. I am also commaned to believe, no matter who you call the father, it is not Him. I am also commanded to believe that no matter who you call the holy spirit, it is not Him either.
I accept those commands, and never once have I seen the error, in Their Actions, and Words to me. Never once.
Sorry, that is my life.
LOVE,
...Katherina., .... .