Are Skinny Jeans / Leggings / Tight Fitting Pants Modest?

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Let me tell you a story. It is about a 50 year old guy buying some stuff from a local hardware store.

So I was in line and finally got up to the register. It was a very hot summer day. The register was on an island near the front door. A young guy was checking people out. Enter: his girlfriend. She cut thru the line, entered the island and hopped up and sat on the opposite side counter facing him and us in line. She was probably college age and quite attractive. She also had on some of the tightest shorts I had ever seen and was sporting a major camel toe. (first time I had ever seen one) While I had no particular desires for her sexual or otherwise, I had a very physical reaction to her flaunted sexuality: my knees went out from under me and had I not grabbed the counter, I would have fallen on the floor. In a few seconds I composed myself and let go of the counter to pay.

So sometimes immodesty is not just playing on someone's lust.
 
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Hate to see what a nude beach would do to him.

Being on a nude beach is exciting for about the first hour. Then you realize that it just isn't a big deal.
 
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Problem seems to me on this issue is people don't understand what modesty is to begin with. It's sad really, because many churches play into the definition that doesn't exist.

Second problem I see is people don't grasp the difference between people finding someone attractive, and knowing what lust is in the literal sense.

"That's a nice looking woman" is attraction. Not sinful.

"That's a nice looking woman" and then goes into all these circumstance about what he would like to do with that nice looking woman IS lust. Yes, Sinful!

Today, both are considered sinful for some reason. People get lost as to what the true issue is, and an extra burden is placed on everyone. It seems to me at times the way its taught almost encourages men to allow themselves to go to the dark side, because they already find the woman attractive...and since he wasn't taught the difference between that and lust? He is already sinning, so why not go all the way.

That's not just men - its human nature.
 
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Sure, but if you are deliberately clothing yourself in order to incite lust, or lust-like emotions, you should also be honest about what you're doing.

The OP said she wanted to feel good about herself. Her aim then isn't to incite lust.

If I set up a lemonade stand with big blinking neon-lights going "FREE LEMONADE!", someone picking up a glass of lemonade would still be responsible for picking up that glass, but it would be dishonest to suggest that I had nothing to do with it.

I'm not sure if that's a good analogy or not.

In the same way, if you are aiming for attractive/cute/sexy with your clothing choice, you should not be surprised if someone finds you attractive/cute/sexy. And the line between being attractive etc and "inciting lust" is pretty vague, imho. Now, there's nothing wrong with wanting to be attractive etc, but if a person wants to be attractive but also doesn't want to incite lust she should be aware that the two concepts are connected. Not every person who finds your "flattering" jeans attractive is going to lust after you, but the more people find them attractive, the bigger the chance some people are going to lust.

I'd say that inciting lust means you are doing it on purpose. Would you say that looking attractive is inciting rape?

Personally, I think's it's stupid that we have to have this conversation. There's nothing wrong with lust in itself.

No.

Both sides have a responsibility because human psychology is not such that we are immune to our hormones and appetites; which, even if we do not act on them, can still arise to disturb and twist our thinking.

And if someone does desire, I'd say that's their issue. There's nothing inherent in a body that causes lust... it's all in your mind. So it's your responsibility alone. It shouldn't be used as a reason to advocate repression.

Repression is worse than lust (not that I think lust is particularly bad).

So each dress modestly, and each think modestly, and each speak modestly, and each act modestly, and life will tick along fairly nicely but never perfectly because that is impossible.

There is no such thing as dressing modesty. Any line drawn between being completely naked, and 100% covered, is arbitrary.

Anyway, lust isn't any more immoral than hunger.
 
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I suggest you wear what you feel is appropriate for you. The jeans you wear hardly define your attractiveness. Modesty and not following the crowd does not lend to a lack of attractiveness.

I agree with this entirely.

Different groups of people are going to have different ideas of what is modest and what causes someone to lust. I'm sorry, but I'm never going to agree with some here that a person's lust issues are anyone's problem but the one lusting. I get that Christians are not supposed to cause another to stumble, but I don't agree that there's anything you can seriously do to stop that.

If you really wanted to prevent every possible person from "stumbling", then you had better keep yourself locked in a room, because even a head-to-toe covering could still be lust-worthy to someone.

You dress yourself in a way you feel is appropriate and be yourself. Don't spend your time worrying about what other people think (irony as I'm giving advice, but hey...).
 
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Hi guys; so this is kind of an opinion question I guess. I’m a 16 year old girl (a sophomore in high school) and it seems like just about every girl wears skinny jeans and jeggings and leggings (basically, form fitting jeans) practically every day. Rarely do I see a girl wear boot leg or other less form fitting jeans (and those that do still wear tight jeans sometimes). I wear types of jeans that aren’t as form fitting, more loose jeans because I feel like that’s more modest and like it is what Jesus would want me to do. But I feel like boot cut jeans (and other non-form fitting types) are unflattering and I really dislike the way I look in them. My question is, what do you think about Christians wearing skinny jeans? The reason I’m hesitant to wear them is because I don’t want to make guys lust when they look at me, but am I just being overcautious and will it not make any difference either way? Will guys look at my butt (as awkward as that sounds, lol) no matter what I wear anyway?
I pray about this a lot and I feel like I am at a crossroads. Thinking that Jesus wants me to be as modest as possible but also knowing that he wants me to be comfortable with my body (and I feel kind of unattractive and lack confidence in my appearance when I wear boot cut and other non-form fitting jeans.) What is your opinion on this- girls, do you wear them, and do you think Jesus approves? And guys, do you have thoughts as well; do you have more trouble keeping pure thoughts around woman wearing skinny jeans? Thanks for sharing your thoughts, guys!


Modesty has always been more about attitude than apparel. :)

The flappers in the 1920s who astonished and outraged their prudish contemporaries with their audacious style of dress actually revealed far less of their skin and showed off less of their figure than a modern outfit for a similar occasion. It was their exuberant sassiness, exalted confidence, and daring embrace of their youth and desire to defy conventions that really was more remarkable than what they were wearing. The dress emphasized and reenforced the attitude; it didn't create it. Skinny jeans wouldn't have the same statement as a flapper dress even though it more predominantly showcases your figure because the times, perceptions, and context have changed. As you wrote in your post, skinny jeans are hugely popular at your school. You're not raising brows or creating a scene by wearing that jeans style to your school when you'll be blending in rather than standing out in them. If you had an attitude that accompanied them, being overtly flirtatious and intending to be provocative and generate lust, then it might be immodest, but the jeans on their own are fine. Wear what makes you feel comfortable physically and socially.

I think it's awesome that you can even wear jeans to school. I'm looking forward to that at college. With the exception of two years at an elementary school that didn't require a uniform, I've been wearing one my entire academic career thus far. It's actually was what helped me to realize that lust is not something we're responsible for invoking by our outfits alone. I get hit on the most when I'm in uniform (and I rarely wear makeup or do anything special) and when I'm working out and am smelling and looking funky. If guys look at you, they're doing so with their own eyes they control. The intentions behind their reactions are as important as the intent behind our actions. I don't think a guy reflexively checking a girl out is inherently wrong so long so long as he doesn't do it in a way that is deliberately seeking to objectify her or make her feel uncomfortable. If they feel lust, they can mitigate those feelings. If you deliberately set out to cause lust and temptation, especially in inappropriate ways, that's one thing, but if it's something generated simply by dressing normally, that's not your responsibility to manage. There are women in burkhas who inspire lust. There's a review on Yelp for a coffee place near my school written by a man warning other men to stay away from there in the mornings and afternoons because it's "jailbait central" when we are all there in our "schoolgirl fantasy uniform." The review was circulated around kind of in amusement. We're not offended, outraged, or feeling exploited, and we're definitely not feeling guilty or making modifications. It's not our responsibility. I don't think he was a lecherous predator; he was just honest about his reaction. 50 years ago when the uniforms were dowdy and loose, completely unflattering to the figure, I'm sure there were guys and men who took special notice of the girls, too.

Another thing. Confidence is more alluring than self-consciousness, so if more guys are drawn to you in skinny jeans that you feel good in, it could have more to do with your vibe than your booty. All in all, I think Jesus would want you to focus on more important things than skinny jeans.
 
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Anyway, lust isn't any more immoral than hunger.

If that were so, why did Our Lord say this?

Matthew 5:28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
 
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I read a Catholic dictionary, old school one, and even the face of an attractive woman can be a "scandal" (cause or occasion of sin) for some men. Never mind tight jean etc. And I dont think they mean deliberately sinful people, just people overawed at such sights...
 
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Will guys look at my butt (as awkward as that sounds, lol) no matter what I wear anyway?
Yes they will, regardless of your choice of clothing.

BUT, you are not responsible for guarding men's moral. It's not a young lady's duty to protect and regulate that special snowflake that is the immature boys' and grownup men's sexual desire. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Take heart that at some point, maybe at 20, maybe at 40, you will discover that you don't have to dress with the guys in mind any more than you have to dress to impress the fellow ladies and/or to conform to whatever the current fashion craze. Style is about finding clothes that once you put them on, you can forget them; clothes that don't make you feel awkward, mentally or literally, and don't make you waste your time thinking what other's are thinking about you in your clothes; clothes that only ever make you feel happy and confident. Of course, finding that style of your very own and the right size, shape and cut of clothes will take time and a lot of those what-was-I-thinking style fails. :) It's a trial by error process.

And for the record, I have worn tailored wide leg Lauren Bacall -inspired trousers and jeans of the same style for forty years: The style suits my long legs, it looks pleasing to me, and nevermind the rest. I dislike the long johns as in skinny jeans fashion with passion, always have and still do.
 
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BUT, you are not responsible for guarding men's moral. It's not a young lady's duty to protect and regulate that special snowflake that is the immature boys' and grownup men's sexual desire. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Well said!
 
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Nice sentiment, but it doesn't hold up to the bible, and since this IS a christian forum, that would be the ultimate decider .
And there are many, many Christians who do not consider ancient Middle Eastern morality to be the ideal of how women should be treated and expected to act, so no, that's not the ultimate decider.
 
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Originally Posted by Dave
Why should it not?
I do not want to lose that reaction.
Because it's bizarre and unfathomably immature.

What? It is "immature" to be totally overwhelmed at my wife's nakedness?

I don't think so.

And I do not see how I can be overwhelmed by her nakedness and just be "meh" about someone else's.


Prov 5.18 Let your fountain be blessed,
And rejoice in the wife of your youth.
19 As a loving hind and a graceful doe,
Let her breasts satisfy you at all times;
Be exhilarated always with her love.
 
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