My SWISS CHEESE Challenge

[TLK Valentine]

I create a block of Swiss cheese ex nihilo.

Should it have holes in it?

 

[AV1611VET]

I create a block of Swiss cheese ex nihilo.

Should it have holes in it?

Manufacturer's choice.

 

[crjmurray]

I create a block of Swiss cheese ex nihilo.

Should it have holes in it?

Cheese is my territory and silly challenges are for AV. You're encroaching on some serious territory pal!

 

[AV1611VET]

Cheese is my territory and silly challenges are for AV. You're encroaching on some serious territory pal!

You don't know who Valentino really is, do you?

(I promised not to tell.)

 

[crjmurray]

You don't know who Valentino really is, do you?

(I promised not to tell.)

Uh no?

 

[AV1611VET]

Uh no?

Let's just say you were ten years old (or going on ten) when he joined here.

 

[crjmurray]

Let's just say you were ten years old (or going on ten) when he joined here.

Apparently I'll have to do some investigating

 

[TLK Valentine]

Manufacturer's choice.

Actually, AV, it's not. The holes in Swiss cheese are a result of the bacteria eating at the lactic acid (and excreting CO2 gas as a waste product) during the cheese's normal production.

This cheese, however, is not being made normally, but rather, ex nihilo -- No bacteria.

So, should it have holes in it?

 

[crjmurray]

Actually, AV, it's not. The holes in Swiss cheese are a result of the bacteria eating at the lactic acid (and excreting CO2 gas as a waste product) during the cheese's normal production.

This cheese, however, is not being made normally, but rather, ex nihilo -- No bacteria.

So, should it have holes in it?

Dumb question but what is swiss cheese without the holes?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Dumb question but what is swiss cheese without the holes?

Well, that's the point, isn't it? Are the holes what define Swiss cheese as Swiss Cheese, or are they incidental?

Anyone who knows anything about Swiss cheese knows they're incidental -- an unavoidable result of the way it's normally made...

... so now the question is, what happens when it's not made "normally"?

 

[crjmurray]

Well, that's the point, isn't it? Are the holes what define Swiss cheese as Swiss Cheese, or are they incidental?

Anyone who knows anything about Swiss cheese knows they're incidental -- an unavoidable result of the way it's normally made...

... so now the question is, what happens when it's not made "normally"?

Well if swiss cheese has holes in it as an inherent characteristic then yes the cheese you create would have holes. This is related to your point. Are the signs of aging on this earth inherent to it? Does the earth NEED fossils, craters, canyons, etc? I would say no.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Well if swiss cheese has holes in it as an inherent characteristic then yes the cheese you create would have holes. This is related to your point. Are the signs of aging on this earth inherent to it? Does the earth NEED fossils, craters, canyons, etc? I would say no.

And I would say the Swiss cheese doesn't need the holes -- it's not an inherent characteristic of the cheese, but an inherent characteristic of the natural process which makes it. Since we're not using a natural process to make this cheese...

 

[crjmurray]

And I would say the Swiss cheese doesn't need the holes -- it's not an inherent characteristic of the cheese, but an inherent characteristic of the natural process which makes it. Since we're not using a natural process to make this cheese...

So the cheese would just be a solid mass that no one would call swiss cheese.

 

[SkyWriting]

I create a block of Swiss cheese ex nihilo.Should it have holes in it?

Yes. Just as the fish were "normal", the bread loaves were "normal"
and the Earth was "normal" when created, so would be the cheese.

Let's "Create" bread, cheese, a knife, and a round slice of tree
to serve it on, with some smoked fish.

All would be average and normal. No special "glow" about them.

If I were to create earth, myself, it would have to cool before use.
Earth is in a state of sin, disconnected from the divine.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes. Just as the fish were "normal", the bread loaves were "normal"
and the Earth was "normal" when created, so would be the cheese.

Why do you say that the holes in Swiss cheese are "normal"?

Let's "Create" bread, cheese, a knife, and a round slice of tree
to serve it on, with some smoked fish.

All would be average and normal. No special "glow" about them.

I'm not saying the cheese would glow -- I'm saying it would not have the result of bacterial excretions because there were no bacterial excretions.

If I were to create earth, myself, it would have to cool before use.
Earth is in a state of sin, disconnected from the divine.

Why would you create an Earth too hot to handle? Seems an unnecessary step...

 

[Split Rock]

So the cheese would just be a solid mass that no one would call swiss cheese.

It might be swiss cheese that most would not recognize as swiss cheese. It would still be swiss cheese, however.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It might be swiss cheese that most would not recognize as swiss cheese. It would still be swiss cheese, however.

Indeed -- it would taste like Swiss cheese, have the consistency of Swiss cheese, register on any gas chromatograph as Swiss cheese, and, except for the lack of holes, look like Swiss cheese.

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually, AV, it's not.

Actually, Val, it is.

Ever heard of "blind" Swiss cheese?

 

[AV1611VET]

Dumb question but what is swiss cheese without the holes?

It's called blind Swiss cheese.

The holes are called "eyes".

 

[AV1611VET]

... so now the question is, what happens when it's not made "normally"?

LOL