Afghan woman set ablaze by mob for burning Koran

[ThinkForYourself]

You either are trolling or you as a nonbeliever claim to know what the tenets of Christianity are, and have no business doing it.

Um, I quoted the bible. How is that trolling?

Does the bible no longer reflect the tenets of Christianity?

Africa has a long-standing problem with witchcraft and horrible reaction to it, which has nothing to do with Christianity.

Nothing to do with Christianity? The bible specifically says to kill witches.

Some African Christians are still involved with other African religions and customs, such as witchcraft.

What does any other religion have to do with it? The b-i-b-l-e specifically says to kill witches. I quoted the bible. The verse is in the post you replied to.

Stop your inaccurate, spiteful and baiting rhetoric.

I can only guess you haven't read the bible, and are a bit surprised to find out what it actually says. Please, before accusing me of these things, could you please take the time to read it, or at least the relevant sections, such as the one I quoted. Thanks.

 

[brewmama]

Um, I quoted the bible. How is that trolling?

Does the bible no longer reflect the tenets of Christianity?
Nothing to do with Christianity? The bible specifically says to kill witches.
What does any other religion have to do with it? The b-i-b-l-e specifically says to kill witches. I quoted the bible. The verse is in the post you replied to.
I can only guess you haven't read the bible, and are a bit surprised to find out what it actually says. Please, before accusing me of these things, could you please take the time to read it, or at least the relevant sections, such as the one I quoted. Thanks.

Of course I have read the bible, which means I know what applies to Christians and what doesn't, as you don't seem to at all. By insisting that you do know, and saying things like

The bible is full of justification for the most despicable and heinous acts, such as murder, genocide, rape, slavery, etc.. Christians using the bible to justify more despicable acts is exactly what I would expect. It's called "Leading by example".

They are demonstrably the true Christians. It is those who would let a witch live that are demonstrably faux Christians.
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you are trolling.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Of course I have read the bible, which means I know what applies to Christians and what doesn't, as you don't seem to at all. By insisting that you do know, and saying things like

Please quote verses in the bible where it says "Do not suffer a witch to live" does not apply to Christians.

I bet you can't because the bible says it is applicable today:

Matthew 5:18 "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished."

you are trolling.

This thread is about Religious people burning others because of their beliefs in modern society.

I pointed out that in modern society there are also other religions that burn others because of their beliefs, ie Christians burning witches.

That is not trolling, but adding to the discussion.

 

[seashale76]

How Christianity works 101: In Orthodox Christianity, the Old Testament is full of types anti-types of Christ. The Church interprets those scriptures in a New Testament way. We are under the New Covenant and are under no obligation to follow all of the laws of the Old Testament (though we are told which laws we need to follow in the New Testament). The scriptures are for use in the Church by the Church- and the Church interprets all scripture. The Church existed before the New Testament anyway- and while the NT is part of Holy Tradition- it is a product of the Church. The scriptures testify to types and anti-types of Christ and the revelation of Christ to the world. How scripture is interpreted is set. So, when someone comes along and attempts to tell Christians otherwise, you really don't have a clue what you're talking about.

What you are is a sola/solo scriptura atheist. Most Christians in the world from the beginning until now are not sola/solo scriptura. It always amazes me how atheists adhere so strongly to that dogma.

 

[Sneggardly209]

africa is a unique case. they torture and kill and rape each other over there for any and every reason under the sun. religious, ethnic, gender, sexuality, national origin, race, and on and on.

outside of africa, you dont hear much and christians doing the stuff they did 300 years or 1000 years ago.

but outside of africa, islam looks no different than it does inside africa. the same evil. the same violence. even outside the middle east islam doesnt look good. a lot of support for evil ideas, and a significant amount of violence from a tiny segment of the population.

that being said, the woman was a few fries short of a happy meal for pulling that over there. still doesnt justify it. but very not smart.

 

[willows]

I am a Christian and do not support burning of witches.


Tanzania bans witchdoctors over albino attacks


Tanzania has banned witchdoctors in a move intended to stop attacks on people with albinism.

Home Affairs Minister Mathias Chikawe said there would be a nationwide operation to "arrest them and take them to court" if they continued to work.

Albino people, who lack pigment in their skin, have faced attacks for their body parts, which witchdoctors believe bring good luck and wealth.


bbc.com/news/world-africa-30794831


news.vice.com/article/fueled-by-superstition-people-are-violently-attacking-albinos-in-tanzania

 

[wing2000]

That's an interesting side note, but not really an answer to my question.

Sure it is. Interpretation of holy books is subject to cultural influences including the propensity of men to control women. The violence against women in the name of _______ has a long history...

 

[wing2000]

....and at least in Afghanistan, this specific "punishment" is not common at all:

...from the linked article:

It was not immediately clear how many people carried out the attack, or whether a crowd egged on the woman’s assailants, but it was believed to be the first time that someone in Afghanistan had been killed for burning a copy of the Muslim holy book.

 

[XB3LI3V3RX]

How Christianity works 101: In Orthodox Christianity, the Old Testament is full of types anti-types of Christ. The Church interprets those scriptures in a New Testament way. We are under the New Covenant and are under no obligation to follow all of the laws of the Old Testament (though we are told which laws we need to follow in the New Testament). The scriptures are for use in the Church by the Church- and the Church interprets all scripture. The Church existed before the New Testament anyway- and while the NT is part of Holy Tradition- it is a product of the Church. The scriptures testify to types and anti-types of Christ and the revelation of Christ to the world. How scripture is interpreted is set. So, when someone comes along and attempts to tell Christians otherwise, you really don't have a clue what you're talking about. What you are is a sola/solo scriptura atheist. Most Christians in the world from the beginning until now are not sola/solo scriptura. It always amazes me how atheists adhere so strongly to that dogma.

This is exactly what I try to explain to people you call "solo scriptura atheists". I've never heard that, but I like it. Thank you for actually speaking the truth.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

africa is a unique case. they torture and kill and rape each other over there for any and every reason under the sun. religious, ethnic, gender, sexuality, national origin, race, and on and on.

outside of africa, you dont hear much and christians doing the stuff they did 300 years or 1000 years ago.

but outside of africa, islam looks no different than it does inside africa. the same evil. the same violence. even outside the middle east islam doesnt look good. a lot of support for evil ideas, and a significant amount of violence from a tiny segment of the population....

You would be wrong.

This happened in England:

On Christmas Day he was found by paramedics in the bathroom of an east London high-rise flat. His body had been mutilated, teeth were missing and he was covered in deep cuts and bruising. In the last four days of his life he had suffered acts of unspeakable savagery, doled out by a man he called "uncle" and one of his own sisters.
Why? Because Eric Bikubi, a powerfully built football coach, and Magalie Bamu were convinced the boy was a witch, possessed by spirits who wanted to bring evil into their home

from Here.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

How Christianity works 101: In Orthodox Christianity, the Old Testament is full of types anti-types of Christ. The Church interprets those scriptures in a New Testament way. We are under the New Covenant and are under no obligation to follow all of the laws of the Old Testament (though we are told which laws we need to follow in the New Testament).

You are simply incorrect. Jesus specifically states that the laws of the OT are still valid, in their exact form:

Matthew 5:18 "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished."

The scriptures are for use in the Church by the Church- and the Church interprets all scripture.

I prefer to call it Spin, as this is more accurate. As every denomination of Christianity spins things differently, whose spin do you accept? What mechanism do you use to separate the correct spin from incorrect spins?

... So, when someone comes along and attempts to tell Christians otherwise, you really don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Yeah, using the bible without spinning is rather silly isn't it.

Of course, there are thousands of denominations of Christianity, all of whom spin it differently. But youare apparently amazing and can decipher the true meaning, better than any of those other thousand denominations.

What you are is a sola/solo scriptura atheist. Most Christians in the world from the beginning until now are not sola/solo scriptura. It always amazes me how atheists adhere so strongly to that dogma.

Believe me, I understand that Christians must spin the bible.

The more mankind learns about morality, science, etc., the more the bible must be spun, or even the most faithful adherent will see that it makes no sense.

For example, Christians try to distance themselves from the OT because in the OT God condones genocide, slavery, infanticide, (I will be happy to provide the verses if you don't know them) and other immoral acts. But Jesus says in Matthew 5:18, the OT laws still apply. To avoid Cognitive Dissonance, you need to spin the bible. It's no great mystery.

 

[brewmama]

You would be wrong.

This happened in England:

On Christmas Day he was found by paramedics in the bathroom of an east London high-rise flat. His body had been mutilated, teeth were missing and he was covered in deep cuts and bruising. In the last four days of his life he had suffered acts of unspeakable savagery, doled out by a man he called "uncle" and one of his own sisters.
Why? Because Eric Bikubi, a powerfully built football coach, and Magalie Bamu were convinced the boy was a witch, possessed by spirits who wanted to bring evil into their home

from Here.

He would not be wrong. They were all from Africa, and Kristy Bamu was tortured to death by his sister and her boyfriend because of their twisted obsession with African black magic.

It has long been a problem in Africa, and has migrated over to some African churches, and is also a problem in native African religions. You constantly trying to impugn Christianity unfairly with this is noted, and we know what you are doing.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

This is exactly what I try to explain to people you call "solo scriptura atheists". I've never heard that, but I like it. Thank you for actually speaking the truth.

See post #31.

Thanks.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

He would not be wrong. They were all from Africa, and Kristy Bamu was tortured to death by his sister and her boyfriend because of their twisted obsession with African black magic.

It has long been a problem in Africa, and has migrated over to some African churches, and is also a problem in native African religions. You constantly trying to impugn Christianity unfairly with this is noted, and we know what you are doing.

So what if some of the people involved were from Africa, it happened in England, and is happening in other European countries.

How do you know that the children involved weren't born in England? ... In any of the incidents?

Are you saying that every single person involved in every single incident in Europe is from Africa?

If so, could you please prove your assertions. Otherwise, they were simply wrong to say that somehow Islam and Christianity are different in this regard.

Thank you.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

.Of course I have read the bible, which means I know what applies to Christians and what doesn't,

I quoted the bible, Matthew 5:18, where Jesus specifically says all OT law still applies, exactly as stated. Yet you say only some of the OT law applies (and I'll wager those happen to be the laws that you agree with).

How does a Christian justify not listening to the words of Christ?

 

[brewmama]

I quoted the bible, Matthew 5:18, where Jesus specifically says all OT law still applies, exactly as stated. Yet you say only some of the OT law applies (and I'll wager those happen to be the laws that you agree with).

How does a Christian justify not listening to the words of Christ?

We've already explained it to you. He who hath ears to hear let him hear!

Now stop your trolling.

 

[Senator Cheese]

I quoted the bible, Matthew 5:18, where Jesus specifically says all OT law still applies, exactly as stated. Yet you say only some of the OT law applies (and I'll wager those happen to be the laws that you agree with).

How does a Christian justify not listening to the words of Christ?

I couldn't be motivated to read the rest of the conversation, but I'd like to give you my own personal opinion on that last question: not every Christian believes in the infallibility of the Bible. I wouldn't really understand the point of Jesus' coming, his message of kindness, tolerance and forgiveness - and then go back to that OT jibber about killing homosexuals. I might be part of a silent minority, but I don't believe that all Christians believe the Bible needs to be interpreted in a literal sense.

Of course, you're right in saying that denominations add "spin". The common denominator of Christianity is the belief in Jesus Christ as a divinity - and therefore seeking to act according to his will and to follow in his footsteps.
The wide variety of different sects is the result of a combination of:
a) differences in beliefs as to what Jesus actually commanded/did
b) differences in beliefs as to how these ideas can be practically implemented
c) incorporation of cultural "non-Jesus-based" ideas

I kind of wonder why you're very focused on this point, but I'm assuming that you're trying to say that the Bible is as "bad" as the Quoran or something. I haven't read enough of the Old Testament and of the Quoran to judge that, but I do believe that there is a difference between considering a pedophile warlord (Mohammad) that performed genocide a "perfect human being" and those who consider Jesus to be someone to look up to.

As for the Matthew-Quote you provided - not really my opinion, but just playing avocatus diabolus here: It refers to the fulfillment of the Old Covenant and its succession (i.e. the New Covenant).

 

[brewmama]

So what if some of the people involved were from Africa, it happened in England, and is happening in other European countries.

How do you know that the children involved weren't born in England? ... In any of the incidents?

Because if you know anything about the case, which I knew about before you posted it, you would know that. What did you do, just find it on the spur of the moment?

Are you saying that every single person involved in every single incident in Europe is from Africa?

No, just the one you tried to use as evidence.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

We've already explained it to you.

AFAIK, that is untrue and you have not explained it to me, nor could I find it while reviewing your posts in this thread where a Christian is justified not accepting the words of Christ.


In the interest of expediency, could you please explain it to me again, or at least give me the relevant post number where a Christian is justified not accepting the words of Christ?

My sincere thanks.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Because if you know anything about the case, which I knew about before you posted it, you would know that. What did you do, just find it on the spur of the moment?



No, just the one you tried to use as evidence.

The one I used as evidence happened outside of Africa, in England to be exact, and made my point perfectly.