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[eastcoast_bsc]

Your wallowing in this tragic event and playing the race card is distasteful at best.

Please refrain engaging in this behaviour in this Catholic community.

The last thing I want is Catholics being associated with such lazy, descriminatory comments...

The media has been playing thevrace card as had the Attorney Genetal Holder.
I have seen this scenario in the psst. What will happen is whites will leave in droves and businesses will also leave.

An honest discussion on race should be a two way discussion. Why should hard working blacks have to fear living in their own communities.

The facts are that the black community is being destroyed by violence and the dissolution of the family. The vast majority of black youth have no Father present in their lives and live in despair.

Then we have patronizing liberals who refuse to hold evyouth to high educational standards, which is the real road out of poverty and despair.

But we cannot discuss the truth in America anylonger. We have to pretend. Meanwhile the destruction continues..

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Your wallowing in this tragic event and playing the race card is distasteful at best.

Please refrain engaging in this behaviour in this Catholic community.

The last thing I want is Catholics being associated with such lazy, descriminatory comments...

You have no idea what you're talking about. I was answering a question that is obvious to everyone with any knowledge on Ferguson.

 

[MikeK]

Here are some stats from your state.


A new study from the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee that looked at the prison population there found that the state has the highest percentage of incarcerated black men in the country. About 1 in 8 black men of working age (13 percent) are in state prisons or jails. The national average is 6.7 percent.Apr 24, 2013

I am having a difficult time discerning what your point is in your posts addressing me. Neither refute what I've stated.

 

[MikeK]

The media has been playing thevrace card as had the Attorney Genetal Holder.
I have seen this scenario in the psst. What will happen is whites will leave in droves and businesses will also leave.

An honest discussion on race should be a two way discussion. Why should hard working blacks have to fear living in their own communities.

The facts are that the black community is being destroyed by violence and the dissolution of the family. The vast majority of black youth have no Father present in their lives and live in despair.

Then we have patronizing liberals who refuse to hold evyouth to high educational standards, which is the real road out of poverty and despair.

But we cannot discuss the truth in America anylonger. We have to pretend. Meanwhile the destruction continues..

We are missing father figures in all communities and most certainly in the black community. This is why I am incvolved in my Church's living Justice mission which seeks to meet at-risk people where they are and give them the tools they need to better their station in life. It's why my brother has adopted inner city children to raise as his own and why my wife and I intend to once our own are a bit older. There is a serious problem in the black community, and you and I have a wonderful opportunity to get involved. These children need strong make role models. There are few things that I have found more rewarding than coaching youth sports teams, these kids need men in their lives. They need to see professionals who worked to educate themselves, who get up and go to work in the morning, who give to their communities while asking nothing in return. Things are not great, but we can help.

 

[bill5]

This was one individual.

So was the cop who shot the thug in Ferguson. Gee no double-standard there.

Remember that police shooting by the white terrorist who went into hiding in the woods, I think in PA? Virtually nobody said snarky things about his race suggesting that his action had anything to do with the greater group.

...maybe because it didn't. It was known he had a major gripe against cops, not any given race. But hey don't let facts get in your way of making invalid analogies.

This sarcasm toward a race of people who have traditionally been treated as inferiors by our culture

"Traditionally"...ie "used to be." Wow I am so sick of people living in the past like some fantasy world I could puke. This is not the 1850s FYI. It's not even the 1950s. I so wish people with this mind-numbingly ridiculous mindset would join the rest of us in the real world.

and remain underrepresented in virtually every desirable category

Whatever that means and even assuming there is any validity to it. I don't know about you, but I've traveled and worked in a lot of places in various areas of the country, and I see minorities well represented. Of course good "affirmative action" (which only "affirms" quotas and ensure reverse discrimination to keep the race card nazis at bay) sure helps, doesn't it? Well hey 2 wrongs make a right

Focus on the evil action, the evil-doer, not some tangential nonsense about race,

You mean like they did in Ferguson initially? OK...

The double-standard with race is rampant and Ferguson was just the latest "greatest" (ie most extreme and absurd) example. Much more to follow I'm sure.

People keep puffing out their chests and talking about improving race relations, but have no interest in really looking at it with even the tiniest bit of objectivity or rational thought. It's this self-righteous, evil whitey/poor black victim nonsense as if they were trapped in a time loop. There aren't words to describe how absurd and insane this elephant in the room is.

 

[bill5]

The facts are that the black community is being destroyed by violence and the dissolution of the family. The vast majority of black youth have no Father present in their lives and live in despair.

That's all whitey's fault too, didn't you know?

Then we have patronizing liberals who refuse to hold evyouth to high educational standards, which is the real road out of poverty and despair.

The black youth are held back by whitey! Sheesh man get with it!

But we cannot discuss the truth in America anylonger. We have to pretend.

Yep. Welcome to today.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

I am having a difficult time discerning what your point is in your posts addressing me. Neither refute what I've stated.

OK Mike, then maybe you can sit and think about for a bit.

 

[brewmama]

I don't think you understand what a causal relationship is. Poor people commit more crime, it is well documented and I think most people agree (Obviously not all poor people commit crime). Black people are mostly poor, therefore they commit the most crime. If you switch the economic conditions of blacks with any race, you would have the same rate of crime.

Edit: So a better statistic would be if we took all poor on poor murders out of the equation in ANY GIVEN SITUATION IN 2015, the murder rate would be much lower.

I'm not at all sure I agree with that. How is this well documented? Is is true around the world, so that all the poorest people in the world are the biggest criminals?

 

[Constantine I]

That's all whitey's fault too, didn't you know?

The black youth are held back by whitey! Sheesh man get with it!


Yep. Welcome to today.

This is pretty simple:

The poor stay poor without an exterior force stopping them from being poor. The poor also engage in the most crime (Not saying all of them do, but a disproportionate amount of criminals are poor). The reason blacks started off in the ghettos was obviously because >1960's-ish racism. There has not been much of an exterior force to get blacks out of poverty. Is it directly the white mans fault for blacks being poor? No. Is it the black mans fault? No. It is simply human nature that is not unique to black people~ The poor stay poor. It is our Christian duty to help those in poverty.

 

[brewmama]

The media has been playing thevrace card as had the Attorney Genetal Holder.
I have seen this scenario in the psst. What will happen is whites will leave in droves and businesses will also leave.

An honest discussion on race should be a two way discussion. Why should hard working blacks have to fear living in their own communities.

The facts are that the black community is being destroyed by violence and the dissolution of the family. The vast majority of black youth have no Father present in their lives and live in despair.

Then we have patronizing liberals who refuse to hold evyouth to high educational standards, which is the real road out of poverty and despair.

But we cannot discuss the truth in America anylonger. We have to pretend. Meanwhile the destruction continues..

Right. And all the race-baiting that goes on by the press and the left is overlooked totally, while it is said we are playing the race card when we point out facts.

 

[Constantine I]

I'm not at all sure I agree with that. How is this well documented? Is is true around the world, so that all the poorest people in the world are the biggest criminals?

It is the same in Eastern Europe- those with less commit more crime. Same in Africa, same in the favelas of Brazil, same with the poor in Bangkok. It is a world wide, it is human nature. Sadly, those with less commit more crime simply because it is way easier to rationalize theft and gang violence. You come from a terrible environment where the dishonest are the only ones living better than the rest, therefore more strive to be like the criminals with nice pickup's and bigger TV's.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

We are missing father figures in all communities and most certainly in the black community. This is why I am incvolved in my Church's living Justice mission which seeks to meet at-risk people where they are and give them the tools they need to better their station in life. It's why my brother has adopted inner city children to raise as his own and why my wife and I intend to once our own are a bit older. There is a serious problem in the black community, and you and I have a wonderful opportunity to get involved. These children need strong make role models. There are few things that I have found more rewarding than coaching youth sports teams, these kids need men in their lives. They need to see professionals who worked to educate themselves, who get up and go to work in the morning, who give to their communities while asking nothing in return. Things are not great, but we can help.

Mike, have you lived in a diverse community? I went to high school in a black community, and lived in a community that was black, puerto Rican, Dominican, Vietnamese, Haitian , polish and Irish, just to name a few.

But I am not going to pretend I am the renaissance man and uber catholic.

5“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen.

 

[MikeK]

Yes, I have lived in diverse communities and yes, I have been a minority at times. You can call me a hypocrite or a Pharisee all you want, but I hope that you are involving yourself as a man in your community for the young people who need you. I don't take an active role in my community to be seen, I do it because it is the right thing to do. I don't believe I'm doing anything to be proud of, in fact I believe that I am not doing enough. I want to do more. Can you tell me about some of the ways you're working to improve your community? I'm always looking for ideas.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

It is the same in Eastern Europe- those with less commit more crime. Same in Africa, same in the favelas of Brazil, same with the poor in Bangkok. It is a world wide, it is human nature. Sadly, those with less commit more crime simply because it is way easier to rationalize theft and gang violence. You come from a terrible environment where the dishonest are the only ones living better than the rest, therefore more strive to be like the criminals with nice pickup's and bigger TV's.

But it has not always been this way. My Mother and Father grew up in the depression era, where poverty was real. My Father always talked of how he hated going to bed on an empty stomach when the food and money ran out.

My Mother literaly ate Rice Krispies for several days when they ran out of food.
Often there was no heat, they relied on the oven, even heating bricks then wrapping them in towels to place in their beds to keep warm. Everyone had bed bugs and lice.

My Mother anf Father had no criminal record, nor did the majority of their neighbors.

 

[Constantine I]

But it has not always been this way. My Mother and Father grew up in the depression era, where poverty was real. My Father always talked of how he hated going to bed on an empty stomach when the food and money ran out.

My Mother literaly ate Rice Krispies for several days when they ran out of food.
Often there was no heat, they relied on the oven, even heating bricks then wrapping them in towels to place in their beds to keep warm. Everyone had bed bugs and lice.

My Mother anf Father had no criminal record, nor did the majority of their neighbors.

I see that argument everywhere yet it does not stay with the facts: I am not denying their are outliers. My parents also came from extreme poverty, a poverty I can only imagine. A majority of the poor do not commit crime, but the percentage of the poor that do commit crime is exponentially larger than the percentage of the middle class or rich that do commit crime. There are people in poverty that do not commit crime, albeit the majority of them, but they in general do commit more crime.

 

[brewmama]

I see that argument everywhere yet it does not stay with the facts: I am not denying their are outliers. My parents also came from extreme poverty, a poverty I can only imagine. A majority of the poor do not commit crime, but the percentage of the poor that do commit crime is exponentially larger than the percentage of the middle class or rich that do commit crime. There are people in poverty that do not commit crime, albeit the majority of them, but they in general do commit more crime.

I still haven't seen you back it up.

"Which, of course, happens to be true. People (of any income level) who rob, rape, and murder do so because they lack a functioning conscience and moral self-control. It is not material poverty that causes violent crime, but poor character. But the “poverty causes crime” advocates refuse to acknowledge this, because such an acknowledgment blames criminals — rather than American society — for poor peoples’ violent crimes."

Read more at: National Review

 

[paul becke]

Didn't Jesus of Nazareth hold the same bias against Samaritans that most people hold against blacks? It took the Samaritan woman total groveling and suffering abuse from the Messiah referring to her race as dogs begging for scraps before Jesus was willing to forgive his own bias against her race and heal her son.

No! She was a Caananite. He was testing her faith publicly, (though he clearly knew how strong it was) using her in that way as a teaching aid. In fact, Jesus often held up Samaritans and people of other races as examples, to put his own people,to shame - particularly the ones who thought of themselves as 'whiter than white'(!), foreigners as inferior and the religious leaders who considered the poorer general public as riff-raff.

Note that the Samaritans were not regarded as beyond the pale because of the colour of their skin, but for heresy according to Jewish religious belief. Also, remember, when you take no account of the persecution which African Americans have to endure, that you will receive the same level of mercy and lack of imagination that you showed to them. And our judgment will be immeasurably more severe for being hypocritical, self-styled Christians. Those African Americans are OTHER CHRISTS!

9 Egregious Examples Of Racism In Ferguson Uncovered By The Department Of Justice | ThinkProgress

As for the AA and Hispanic prison population, that is a scandal of the first order, as are prisons for profit - profiting from the misery of others, and encouraging corrupt courts, as was apparently the case in Ferguson.

https://www.aclu.org/safe-communities-fair-sentences/prison-crisis

Jesus broke Jewish conventions very seriously by just speaking to the woman at the well, as she was a Samaritan; again because she was a woman not accompanied by a male; and then drinking from the vessel she used to draw up the water.

The subject is broached here.

https://bible.org/article/christianity-best-thing-ever-happened-women

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

I see that argument everywhere yet it does not stay with the facts: I am not denying their are outliers. My parents also came from extreme poverty, a poverty I can only imagine. A majority of the poor do not commit crime, but the percentage of the poor that do commit crime is exponentially larger than the percentage of the middle class or rich that do commit crime. There are people in poverty that do not commit crime, albeit the majority of them, but they in general do commit more crime.

I am talking about murders and violent crime. Let me give you an example. Several years back Boston had an unusually high murder rate fir the year. Thereceere 250 murders that year. Someone produced an interactive map graphic that show a dot where every murder was comitted and what section of the city by specific community.

Over 200 of the murders were in the minority neighborhoods.

Point is, if ee are going to have an honest discussion, then we have to be honest.



Maybe this will help. I am not sure where you live, but the murder rates in US cities is beyonpd anything a European could imagine.


Check out this site. It is for 1 city, in one state for the year 2014. Chicago had over 400 murders in 2014. This is the city of Obamand Rahm Immanuel.

This website shows each murder , many with pictures and all list the age, race etc.

2014 Chicago Murders - Timeline - DNAinfo.com Chicago

You will find very few who are not black. Some hispanic, some white but the vast majority are back.

Why is this genocide not even discussed by POTUS or any othe liberal in Washington?

We need to deal in truth and reality.

 

[Constantine I]

I still haven't seen you back it up.

"Which, of course, happens to be true. People (of any income level) who rob, rape, and murder do so because they lack a functioning conscience and moral self-control. It is not material poverty that causes violent crime, but poor character. But the “poverty causes crime” advocates refuse to acknowledge this, because such an acknowledgment blames criminals — rather than American society — for poor peoples’ violent crimes."

Hm, I have tried posting a link and removing the .edu and .www but it doesnt seem to be working because I don't have 50 posts. How shall I send you the link?

 

[Constantine I]

I am talking about murders and violent crime. Let me give you an example. Several years back Boston had an unusually high murder rate fir the year. Thereceere 250 murders that year. Someone produced an interactive map graphic that show a dot where every murder was comitted and what section of the city by specific community.

Over 200 of the murders were in the minority neighborhoods.

Point is, if ee are going to have an honest discussion, then we have to be honest.



Maybe this will help. I am not sure where you live, but the murder rates in US cities is beyonpd anything a European could imagine.


Check out this site. It is for 1 city, in one state for the year 2014. Chicago had over 400 murders in 2014. This is the city of Obamand Rahm Immanuel.

This website shows each murder , many with pictures and all list the age, race etc.



You will find very few who are not black. Some hispanic, some white but the vast majority are back.

Why is this genocide not even discussed by POTUS or any othe liberal in Washington?

We need to deal in truth and reality.

That doesn't disprove my post.
I said those in poverty commit more crime, and those who committed the crimes were poor. Gangs serve as a "way out" for the poor youth, they get a sense of brotherhood and fraternity. Gangs also tend to be extremely violent, and the higher ups force the new recruits to commit ungodly acts. Doesn't really change nor dispute my post.