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[MikeK]

So was the cop who shot the thug in Ferguson. Gee no double-standard there.

Indeed. I am not defending anyone who thinks that, after reviewing what we now know, the officer in the Fergusson shooting was in the wrong.

...maybe because it didn't. It was known he had a major gripe against cops, not any given race. But hey don't let facts get in your way of making invalid analogies.

Is it possible that this gunman had a thing against cops as well and not specifically whites?

"Traditionally"...ie "used to be." Wow I am so sick of people living in the past like some fantasy world I could puke. This is not the 1850s FYI. It's not even the 1950s. I so wish people with this mind-numbingly ridiculous mindset would join the rest of us in the real world.

You seem so bothered by this discussion - puke, mind-numbing, ridiculous, real world...Unfortunately, institutionalized racism is very much alive in the USA. Note call-back rates for identical resumes submitted with "white-sounding" and "black-sounding" names. It is a real issue and we need to be aware of it.

Whatever that means and even assuming there is any validity to it. I don't know about you, but I've traveled and worked in a lot of places in various areas of the country, and I see minorities well represented. Of course good "affirmative action" (which only "affirms" quotas and ensure reverse discrimination to keep the race card nazis at bay) sure helps, doesn't it? Well hey 2 wrongs make a right

I think that affirmative action is generally wrong. Why are you taking this tone? Whatever course you choose to chart, I will do my best to address you with the charity due you in this friendly, respectful conversation.

You mean like they did in Ferguson initially? OK...

No, not at all.

The double-standard with race is rampant and Ferguson was just the latest "greatest" (ie most extreme and absurd) example. Much more to follow I'm sure.

There will, unfortunately be much to follow. Race problems in the United States are centuries old and seemingly few are interested in treating them as the complicated, nuanced problem that they are. It's all "they need to try harder" or "they aren't giving us a chance" and not much interest in really working on root causes.

People keep puffing out their chests and talking about improving race relations, but have no interest in really looking at it with even the tiniest bit of objectivity or rational thought. It's this self-righteous, evil whitey/poor black victim nonsense as if they were trapped in a time loop. There aren't words to describe how absurd and insane this elephant in the room is.

That is certainly a part of it, but I don't think it is the whole story or even the majority of it.

 

[Kingsdotter]

I'm not surprised. Maybe there is a reason why more blacks get stopped in Ferguson than whites.

Ok, so it's right to pass judgement based on the colour of one's skin?

 

[brewmama]

Ok, so it's right to pass judgement based on the colour of one's skin?

No, based on a higher crime rate. They commit more crimes, so therefore we say they commit more crimes. Not much judging involved.

 

[MikeK]

No, based on a higher crime rate. They commit more crimes, so therefore we say they commit more crimes. Not much judging involved.

Why do they commit more crimes? Don't reply with a cop-out, I'd like to hear your theory, your 5 why, your root cause analysis.

 

[paul becke]

It is the same in Eastern Europe- those with less commit more crime. Same in Africa, same in the favelas of Brazil, same with the poor in Bangkok. It is a world wide, it is human nature. Sadly, those with less commit more crime simply because it is way easier to rationalize theft and gang violence. You come from a terrible environment where the dishonest are the only ones living better than the rest, therefore more strive to be like the criminals with nice pickup's and bigger TV's.

Also, no-one seems to be considering how much more difficult it is to nail white-collar crime, whose consequences are usually far more dire for society. The 'movers and shakers' of the big banks have been acting in an openly fraudulent manner, however, on a massive scale, with utter impunity, as their banks are considered to be 'too big to fail'.

It seems their senior personnel are also too big to prosecute. Where would it end? Too many household names in the stock-holding class, the ones above them, the 'deep state', too powerful and sinister. There has been a rash of senior banking executives who might have been called on to testify in trials, throwing themselves out of high-rise buildings across the globe. And that's just one area of Big Business. Moreover the scale of fraud in your federal elections is massive, as has been duly attested by numerous psephologists.

 

[brewmama]

Why do they commit more crimes? Don't reply with a cop-out, I'd like to hear your theory, your 5 why, your root cause analysis.

I think the major reasons are that welfare has created fatherless families, as you yourself have mentioned, and the generational dependence has created generational poverty, because welfare is designed to perpetuate poverty. Fatherless families have led to a much higher crime rate in the youth, who also have decided that education is not anything they want to embrace, nor is being successful in a "white" world.

It's such a shame, because according to Thomas Sowell, blacks were climbing into the middle class in the 40's and 50's, and poverty was declining rapidly, but welfare put a screeching halt to that, and destroyed black families to a larger degree than even slavery did. And amazingly, welfare advocates assume the mantle of moral superiority, and claim conservatives "hate" the poor or the blacks, when judging by their actual fruits, they are the ones that will have a lot of explaining to do in the next life.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Why do they commit more crimes? Don't reply with a cop-out, I'd like to hear your theory, your 5 why, your root cause analysis.

You'd have to ask them why they take their problems out on each other and our society.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I often also wonder how the Chinese, who were treated brutally and forced into a type of slavery and human trafficking in the U.S. in the 19th Century, forced to live in their own slum/hood (Chinatowns) somehow became a bunch of highly-educated, bright, resourceful, upper middle class to rich professionals? Why did they do ok? Irish were hated, Jews were hated, on and on. Africans had it THE WORST by far. Not even close. Their oppression was intense and awful, but after over a century, after all the civil rights bills, Affirmative Action, heaps of perks and freebies, unprecedented access to colleges, and the most tolerant society toward black America that has ever existed, why are they still committing tons of black-on-black crime, why are black men not bothering to even marry their women then impregnating them and dumping them? Why the staggering amounts of violence and incarceration? Surely at SOME point even the most hardened liberal bleeding heart person living in a bubble of brainwashed ooze can come to the conclusion that the white man isn't behind it? At some point? What happened to working one's way OUT of a ghetto? Why has every other ethnic group accomplished it? You can't tell me it's because nobody will hire black folks? You can't tell me they have no school opportunity?

People make choices to either wallow in poverty infinitely and resort to crime, or they better themselves. Choices.

In my town, the North Side is the ghetto. Mostly Mexican and some extremely dubious white folks. It's a lousy place. But in the middle of it is an elementary school that ROCKS! It's a brand new state-of-the-art facility that is just cutting edge. Smart boards, Chromebook carts, computer labs, Elmos, the latest tech, big, roomy, comfortable and ergonomically awesome classrooms! It's pleasant and lovely, and the best!

Yet the neighborhood is of a crime mentality. Gang-bangin', food-stampin', prostitutin' and jail time. Drugs and cheatin', lying and dealin'....

They have TONS of access to education.

But you can't beat the gang-banger out of that neighborhood. They could get a job anywhere in town. Jobs are available. Tuition reduction is available. Assistance is there.

But you can't fix stupid....as Ron White would say.

At some point, some point, we need accountability and the race-card nonsense needs to stop. But in OBOB, easier said than done! LOL

You'd have to ask them why they take their problems out on each other and our society.

 

[MikeK]

I think the major reasons are that welfare has created fatherless families, as you yourself have mentioned, and the generational dependence has created generational poverty, because welfare is designed to perpetuate poverty. Fatherless families have led to a much higher crime rate in the youth, who also have decided that education is not anything they want to embrace, nor is being successful in a "white" world.

It's such a shame, because according to Thomas Sowell, blacks were climbing into the middle class in the 40's and 50's, and poverty was declining rapidly, but welfare put a screeching halt to that, and destroyed black families to a larger degree than even slavery did. And amazingly, welfare advocates assume the mantle of moral superiority, and claim conservatives "hate" the poor or the blacks, when judging by their actual fruits, they are the ones that will have a lot of explaining to do in the next life.

Government hand-outs are out of control, no doubt about that, but I'm not sure they are the primary cause of violent crime. Then again, Alaska is the State that has the highest rate of people recieving welfare benefits per the US Census Bureau and ranks sixth in violent crime, so maybe there is a correlation. Rhode Island though also ranks very high in welfare rate but is 44th in violent crime, so it isn't all that clear. Also, our violent crime rate has been trending downward for decades, I don't know if welfare has as well. Maybe. It is hard to say who is "on welfare" these days. Is a family on Food Stamps on welfare? A family that claims the EIC? A family that has more income tax returned than they paid in?

We need skilled workers and we need safe streets, I wonder if instead of paying people for their entire lives we expand efforts to pay at-risk young adults to go to acredditted colleges pursuing majors the country needs might be in everyone's best interest.

 

[S.ilvio]

That's all whitey's fault too, didn't you know?

The black youth are held back by whitey! Sheesh man get with it!


Yep. Welcome to today.

Seriously?

Do you refer to yourself as Catholic..?

I'm far from a model Catholic and struggle with my own internal hypocrisy. But to openly express such dog racist dog whisltes has no part in Catholic dialogue...

 

[brewmama]

Seriously?

Do you refer to yourself as Catholic..?

I'm far from a model Catholic and struggle with my own internal hypocrisy. But to openly express such dog racist dog whisltes has no part in Catholic dialogue...

He's just repeating what is the standard line from "victimized" blacks. What is your problem?

 

[paul becke]

Who said he had a problem? He doesn't have a problem. You two do.

Unfortunately, it looks as if it will be too late for you by the time you realise your stance in racial matters, such as this one, is about to have eternal consequences. And that Christ's words were never just to be taken as poetic licence, flights of fancy.

But you won't believe me. Because it's not a character trait of people who fail to see the utter cruelty of the societal prejudice against African Americans, to believe that - in Jesus' own words - the mercy you show is the mercy you will receive. Make hay while the sun shines for you.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

I often also wonder how the Chinese, who were treated brutally and forced into a type of slavery and human trafficking in the U.S. in the 19th Century, forced to live in their own slum/hood (Chinatowns) somehow became a bunch of highly-educated, bright, resourceful, upper middle class to rich professionals? Why did they do ok? Irish were hated, Jews were hated, on and on. Africans had it THE WORST by far. Not even close. Their oppression was intense and awful, but after over a century, after all the civil rights bills, Affirmative Action, heaps of perks and freebies, unprecedented access to colleges, and the most tolerant society toward black America that has ever existed, why are they still committing tons of black-on-black crime, why are black men not bothering to even marry their women then impregnating them and dumping them? Why the staggering amounts of violence and incarceration? Surely at SOME point even the most hardened liberal bleeding heart person living in a bubble of brainwashed ooze can come to the conclusion that the white man isn't behind it? At some point? What happened to working one's way OUT of a ghetto? Why has every other ethnic group accomplished it? You can't tell me it's because nobody will hire black folks? You can't tell me they have no school opportunity?

People make choices to either wallow in poverty infinitely and resort to crime, or they better themselves. Choices.

In my town, the North Side is the ghetto. Mostly Mexican and some extremely dubious white folks. It's a lousy place. But in the middle of it is an elementary school that ROCKS! It's a brand new state-of-the-art facility that is just cutting edge. Smart boards, Chromebook carts, computer labs, Elmos, the latest tech, big, roomy, comfortable and ergonomically awesome classrooms! It's pleasant and lovely, and the best!

Yet the neighborhood is of a crime mentality. Gang-bangin', food-stampin', prostitutin' and jail time. Drugs and cheatin', lying and dealin'....

They have TONS of access to education.

But you can't beat the gang-banger out of that neighborhood. They could get a job anywhere in town. Jobs are available. Tuition reduction is available. Assistance is there.

But you can't fix stupid....as Ron White would say.

At some point, some point, we need accountability and the race-card nonsense needs to stop. But in OBOB, easier said than done! LOL

I lived in an area just A few miles South of downtown Boston that had become the defacto China Town II, maybe even larger than China Town Boston. Probably over &20,000 asians in a few mile radius.There was also a Vietnamese presence to a lesser degree.

Let me tell you, the Asians that come over work hard, have opened up countless businesses. There kids are for the most part considered to be the "model" students. The local high school Calculus club is mostly Asian, the kids do ROTC, and the families live mult-generational and there is very little street crime. The kid that lived next door to me was preparing to work toward his Doctorate in Pharmacy.

 

[Tigg]

I often also wonder how the Chinese, who were treated brutally and forced into a type of slavery and human trafficking in the U.S. in the 19th Century, forced to live in their own slum/hood (Chinatowns) somehow became a bunch of highly-educated, bright, resourceful, upper middle class to rich professionals? Why did they do ok? Irish were hated, Jews were hated, on and on. Africans had it THE WORST by far. Not even close. Their oppression was intense and awful, but after over a century, after all the civil rights bills, Affirmative Action, heaps of perks and freebies, unprecedented access to colleges, and the most tolerant society toward black America that has ever existed, why are they still committing tons of black-on-black crime, why are black men not bothering to even marry their women then impregnating them and dumping them? Why the staggering amounts of violence and incarceration? Surely at SOME point even the most hardened liberal bleeding heart person living in a bubble of brainwashed ooze can come to the conclusion that the white man isn't behind it? At some point? What happened to working one's way OUT of a ghetto? Why has every other ethnic group accomplished it? You can't tell me it's because nobody will hire black folks? You can't tell me they have no school opportunity?

People make choices to either wallow in poverty infinitely and resort to crime, or they better themselves. Choices.

In my town, the North Side is the ghetto. Mostly Mexican and some extremely dubious white folks. It's a lousy place. But in the middle of it is an elementary school that ROCKS! It's a brand new state-of-the-art facility that is just cutting edge. Smart boards, Chromebook carts, computer labs, Elmos, the latest tech, big, roomy, comfortable and ergonomically awesome classrooms! It's pleasant and lovely, and the best!

Yet the neighborhood is of a crime mentality. Gang-bangin', food-stampin', prostitutin' and jail time. Drugs and cheatin', lying and dealin'....

They have TONS of access to education.

But you can't beat the gang-banger out of that neighborhood. They could get a job anywhere in town. Jobs are available. Tuition reduction is available. Assistance is there.

But you can't fix stupid....as Ron White would say.

At some point, some point, we need accountability and the race-card nonsense needs to stop. But in OBOB, easier said than done! LOL

 

[pdudgeon]

Why do they commit more crimes? Don't reply with a cop-out, I'd like to hear your theory, your 5 why, your root cause analysis.

is it possible that the crime stats are skewed because more attention is given in the media to crimes committed by blacks than those that are committed by other races?
Does giving more attention to black crimes by the media result in the police paying more attention to black citizens, resulting in a greater police presence in black neighborhoods, leading to more arrests and convictions of blacks, which in turn prompts more media attention on blacks?

crimes are only the end result, but it all has to start somewhere.
Change that starting point and you change the end result.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

is it possible that the crime stats are skewed because more attention is given in the media to crimes committed by blacks than those that are committed by other races?
Does giving more attention to black crimes by the media result in the police paying more attention to black citizens, resulting in a greater police presence in black neighborhoods, leading to more arrests and convictions of blacks, which in turn prompts more media attention on blacks?

crimes are only the end result, but it all has to start somewhere.
Change that starting point and you change the end result.

No. Statistics say they commit more crimes, not media attention. I don't even know what media attention they receive, until one of them gets shot for being a criminal and liberal media turns it into whites vs blacks. Ever been to a black majority neighborhood? It's scary. The way they look at you as if you don't belong and shoot obscenities. The police don't base their patrolling on what the media says. The media gets their info from police arrests first.

 

[brewmama]

Who said he had a problem? He doesn't have a problem. You two do.

Unfortunately, it looks as if it will be too late for you by the time you realise your stance in racial matters, such as this one, is about to have eternal consequences. And that Christ's words were never just to be taken as poetic licence, flights of fancy.

But you won't believe me. Because it's not a character trait of people who fail to see the utter cruelty of the societal prejudice against African Americans, to believe that - in Jesus' own words - the mercy you show is the mercy you will receive. Make hay while the sun shines for you.

I love how these Brits who seem to have no idea what we are talking about are so judgmental.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Your wallowing in this tragic event and playing the race card is distasteful at best.

Please refrain engaging in this behaviour in this Catholic community.

The last thing I want is Catholics being associated with such lazy, descriminatory comments...

Well look at that. The shooter turns out to be a black thug who was on probation for being a menace to society. Color me shocked!

9 Things You NEED To Know About The Ferguson Police Shooter - BuzzPo

 

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