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Cor. 14...
4He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
18I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
 
19Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
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How goes the journey ? The following is an explanation with further detail on Prayer tongue coupled to above verses. It is in hopes this brings you to an understanding not all know scripture back to front to promote prophesying.
This is Spiritual conceptual thought to utterance, to build us up (edifies the individual (verse 4)to battle addiction, bad thoughts and praise. War tongue for me because I am a wretch an he knows it, lol. Spiritual gifts are a God send and without the ability to play on Satans and Gods baseball diamond (Thought Processes) this one would have succumbed long ago to my humanity/nature John 8:44. Any language has structure and in that structure to fit the proper words together and speak them time passes. In prayer tongue there is no structure or time to pass between an utterance. See, God knows our thoughts Heb (4:12 below) so in the time to fit "I rebuke you satan" , another thought or two have already slipped in between the, I & rebuke, as the mind structures the words and brings them to the tongue. Weird? Yes, to the world it is weird if one was to hear me pray but the world will never hear my tongue, it is private. Weird stems from Satan in conforming to the world, Romans 12:2. However ,rapid fire rebuttal/rebuking of the thought process is what is happening at the speed of thought and praising Him and asking for God to look after the children and help us all in His will, all in an utterance (half a second to cover all that in an utterance. Lets call the utterance "a" for this explanation format. Quick as thought correct? That's where God plays ball family, in the mind). Hook Hebrews 4:12 here , For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart , and see where it talks of the heart . That can be translated to mind also. Heart is Mind division of soul and spirit THOUGHTS & intentions.
Its like coming to the diamond with no glove on to catch line drives using your bare hand (Words , structure and "time" to create them = Bare hand) to field entire thought processes. We as babes in the faith get disparaged because while forming words to tongue another evil thought may get entertained and turned to deed. Especially this one where every one smokes around me or cusses or drinks & drugs = constant bombardment in temptation. However, a tongue is utterance (verse 2) one can play on the diamond with a glove/tongue in fielding entire thought processes. Paul states he speaks more tongues than Corinth (verse 18). Prophesy tongue is a whole other tongue and it edifies the church as a whole (verse 19).However, one must be able to battle Satan in the mind on the diamond he plays ball in,thus, self edification, and not a sin in the tongue to combat Satan in the realm of Soul, Spirit ((of God)) and mind).

Now one that prophesies is ,"greater", but because this one does not prophesy but self edifies, it does not make me evil and/or sinful in self edification, it is a necessity. It is written and true. Paul tells us he does it (verse 18) and it sounds like 24-7, lol . Weird yes, to the world, but this one is still in sanctification and is not a learned man of the scripture and have not asked God for prophesy and could not handle it where I am at in the journey and He knows it as well as I do and better. So, why ask. The inspiration for me to ask for a prayer tongue was brought to this ones attention in fellowshiping of the mind and how do we keep up. Utterance my friends is how. No structure, but can capture the thought and our intent. God will speak through our tongue to your intent and yes CF it will sound weird to your ears until you find that we now have a glove to field with in rapidity of thought. And later it will be how did we survive without it, lol. In closing the below verses still in same chapter (in minds eye sounds like praying to me , (verse 2) there are types of tongues , verse 3. What says you? Hope this clarifies a little my friends . Be in JOY!!

2For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
 
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Crixus, the bible explains everything perfectly, not just speaking in tongues.

BTW, what's with your signature? Do you not respect how others prefer to be addressed? Try loving your neighbor in some way other than derogatory.
 
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quote=crixus;67088723]The Bible explains tongues and all the spiritual gifts perfectly.[/quote]

Blessings brother ,

Hhhmmm, truth that, Bible is final authority, what of the followers of humanity?:)


For me, tongues were viewed as sinful in denominational setting. It was said it presents a stumbling block for the next follower, thus worship in conservatism (people tend to try to translate a tongue on their own and that is sin). For me, my friend, parents , preacher and congregation were my god as a child (physical and later spiritual) and their view was the, "correct view", and this Spiritual child followed for 45 years leaving scripture to the wayside in investment of love & loyalty to people to guide this soul (everybody else does this so it must be correct, mind set, U.S. culture).

For you brother the OP seems to be a reiteration and this is very good :thumbsup: for it must mean you follow scripture and not momma, preacher and the group but God as it is written and for you the explanation is seen as? . Prayer tongue took this one 45 years to understand that to translate it means ... "I", would have to bring the evil nature (our nature, John 8:44 again) of the captured thought to the listeners ear. That is sin. For now this one has shared evil to the listener and the listener may make it deed or just entertain it = sin in translation . To think in Spiritual/Soul/Mind format is not in us by nature. This takes applying scripture to selves NT only for the believer in Jesus.

https://carm.org/justification-and-sanctification

The OP was to help another child in Spirit that utterance to edify self is not evil as this one was led to believe in people (but omitted in OP, sorry family), but a necessity to enter Spiritual warfare which stems from our minds in thought. It is a gift to help combat our nature on thought level where 1/1000 of a second can produce an entire thought process and this one could not keep up in structuring the native language and bringing it to speech. For this one, a thorough understanding of Heb: 4:12 was not applied to self coupled to Matt 22:37-39 to restructure this ID in scripture = Sanctification. This one brings to some, not all, this ones view to be conjectured and learned upon (from self too in responses coupled to scripture if it has merit to self to edify in love). Some one out there will see something that is profound in this to come to an understanding not given to this one in earlier years my friend.
Is this not the juxtaposition of ones mind/thought ,Spirit , soul, faith and belief in Heb:4:12 & 2 Tim 3:16-17 and life experiences to edify, but, of course the Word is the final authority as you my friend stated? Couple those verses to Matt 16:18 where Jesus went "individual" instead of "Nation" (as the Jews believe) in Peter and all who will hear and believe in the lamb are justified and the gates of hell not prevail?
One individual , must apply NT to self first as understanding is made manifest in Gods time to see a scripture in Spirit instead of in physical comprehension. For this one , some scriptures, rocked to the core; that were read in past many times and not truly seen in loves perception. Thus mysteries of scripture.

The last shall come first, is also written but taken out of context (for me in individuality) to apply restructure of the Psych/ID of thyself first (but written last in Matt 22:37 in mind, and 39 in, thyself ) Rom:12-2 to be transformed (MIND, mentioned again). Scripture is living to meet every one of us where we are at Hebrews 4:12= individualism vs a church, congregation and people (Matt.16:18). So this one can exude Joy to another in 1 Peter 3:15 as this one see's self like God does = Love unfathomable, (1 John 4 whole chapter) to be the sacrifice for this wretch and this one seeing this as truth must try with total being not to sin in perfecting love. It took a very long time in sin and the world first to apply God/Word/scripture to fix self on a core level and still this one sins but identifies it much quicker now in prayer while still under sanctification. Learning continuous :pray: is not applied to self today but what of tomorrow...:clap: :). In Gods will, for He loved us ... first , so after restructure of the mind (mentioned last but must come first for this ones/individuals ((Heb 4:12)) translation ) another gains edification in an earlier time table than this one did. Imagine a youth with Spiritual understanding :clap: God !! :D Amen. Get yur JOY (billions) back U.S.A.!!:D The yoke that is, "light", & lite to carry around :thumbsup:. Matt 11:28-30 :hug: .
 
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Blessings to the three before post 6,

I get it family, yes, oh yes, to the ear it is considered , weird, and should one even try to explain it, lol. This is just ones view and is not the authority. This one uses real life experiences coupled to Word to ...Try, to explain the, at times, unexplainable in where another is at . This one tries to format these things in , For me.

Try to see where the term weird stems from? The world correct (this one speaks in U.S. culture taught ways) or conformed in the ... What is cool, fly, hip etc...etc...and seen as fanatics by some? This custom is built on labels to do what? Usually to hurt another in verbal warfare, but not always for there are good labels too. We are where we are and we all are seeking goodness here in. That Mexican reference is something edifying for this one to research and thank you for it. May this one use "time" as the fulcrum to any lingua? For me, it takes too much time to structure any lingua in mind and bring it out through speech in the "ordering" of any lingua, correct? Utterance however, has no structure for anyone, listening, but does have structure to the one using utterance, correct?

kinda ,"looks like and sounds like", to anyone else that see's and hears it (tongues) one using chaos to do battle of thought processes going on in ones head = Spiritual warfare, right? For this one, Heb 4:12 coupled to 1 Cor 14:4, made physical, and at first glance , no understanding of it to the spectator ? Any whooo... something to chew on.
 
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Crixus, the bible explains everything perfectly, not just speaking in tongues.

BTW, what's with your signature? Do you not respect how others prefer to be addressed? Try loving your neighbor in some way other than derogatory.

Well no duh pescador. :doh: Everyone who truly believes in the Bible knows it's perfect. And the only one being derogatory is you. Your effort to try and twist my comment into something that it's not was sad. But it's not the first time you've tried it, which say's a lot about you. Vaya con Dios. :wave:
 
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quote=crixus;67088723]The Bible explains tongues and all the spiritual gifts perfectly.

Blessings brother ,

Hhhmmm, truth that, Bible is final authority, what of the followers of humanity?:)


For me, tongues were viewed as sinful in denominational setting. It was said it presents a stumbling block for the next follower, thus worship in conservatism (people tend to try to translate a tongue on their own and that is sin). For me, my friend, parents , preacher and congregation were my god as a child (physical and later spiritual) and their view was the, "correct view", and this Spiritual child followed for 45 years leaving scripture to the wayside in investment of love & loyalty to people to guide this soul (everybody else does this so it must be correct, mind set, U.S. culture).

For you brother the OP seems to be a reiteration and this is very good :thumbsup: for it must mean you follow scripture and not momma, preacher and the group but God as it is written and for you the explanation is seen as? . Prayer tongue took this one 45 years to understand that to translate it means ... "I", would have to bring the evil nature (our nature, John 8:44 again) of the captured thought to the listeners ear. That is sin. For now this one has shared evil to the listener and the listener may make it deed or just entertain it = sin in translation . To think in Spiritual/Soul/Mind format is not in us by nature. This takes applying scripture to selves NT only for the believer in Jesus.

https://carm.org/justification-and-sanctification

The OP was to help another child in Spirit that utterance to edify self is not evil as this one was led to believe in people (but omitted in OP, sorry family), but a necessity to enter Spiritual warfare which stems from our minds in thought. It is a gift to help combat our nature on thought level where 1/1000 of a second can produce an entire thought process and this one could not keep up in structuring the native language and bringing it to speech. For this one, a thorough understanding of Heb: 4:12 was not applied to self coupled to Matt 22:37-39 to restructure this ID in scripture = Sanctification. This one brings to some, not all, this ones view to be conjectured and learned upon (from self too in responses coupled to scripture if it has merit to self to edify in love). Some one out there will see something that is profound in this to come to an understanding not given to this one in earlier years my friend.
Is this not the juxtaposition of ones mind/thought ,Spirit , soul, faith and belief in Heb:4:12 & 2 Tim 3:16-17 and life experiences to edify, but, of course the Word is the final authority as you my friend stated? Couple those verses to Matt 16:18 where Jesus went "individual" instead of "Nation" (as the Jews believe) in Peter and all who will hear and believe in the lamb are justified and the gates of hell not prevail?
One individual , must apply NT to self first as understanding is made manifest in Gods time to see a scripture in Spirit instead of in physical comprehension. For this one , some scriptures, rocked to the core; that were read in past many times and not truly seen in loves perception. Thus mysteries of scripture.

The last shall come first, is also written but taken out of context (for me in individuality) to apply restructure of the Psych/ID of thyself first (but written last in Matt 22:37 in mind, and 39 in, thyself ) Rom:12-2 to be transformed (MIND, mentioned again). Scripture is living to meet every one of us where we are at Hebrews 4:12= individualism vs a church, congregation and people (Matt.16:18). So this one can exude Joy to another in 1 Peter 3:15 as this one see's self like God does = Love unfathomable, (1 John 4 whole chapter) to be the sacrifice for this wretch and this one seeing this as truth must try with total being not to sin in perfecting love. It took a very long time in sin and the world first to apply God/Word/scripture to fix self on a core level and still this one sins but identifies it much quicker now in prayer while still under sanctification. Learning continuous :pray: is not applied to self today but what of tomorrow...:clap: :). In Gods will, for He loved us ... first , so after restructure of the mind (mentioned last but must come first for this ones/individuals ((Heb 4:12)) translation ) another gains edification in an earlier time table than this one did. Imagine a youth with Spiritual understanding :clap: God !! :D Amen. Get yur JOY (billions) back U.S.A.!!:D The yoke that is, "light", & lite to carry around :thumbsup:. Matt 11:28-30 :hug: .[/QUOTE]

Thanks and blessings to you as well.
 
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I have a friend who attends a church that teaches if you don't speak in tongues then you're not truly saved. But I don't know of a Bible verse that backs it up.[/quo

:wave: ,

Yeah that's humanity for ya :) ! You are correct it does not state that in the bible. Justification is the gift then sanctification involves the process (remember link above on the subject):thumbsup:.
Heb: 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Justification (Spiritual Baptism in other terminology) came for me at 12 years of age but as stated before , church and people in it were my guides and sanctification came in OT. Needless to say it broke a young mind to rebel in sin for the child that came in love (Jesus as savior) but was taught fear (Me alone no savior). In fear this child completed quantity of reading in avoidance of hell (good training, but choked the spirit to non growth).

A lot of this ones motivation to post here in is in correctness of the process of sanctification. Here in all are considered Saints by the author (you too , I reckon citrix. :D. Just ribben ya bro and it is in friendship :) ). This one had to go to the wilderness with the Word to hammer out old beliefs to be taught new beliefs with God as the teacher. Tongues are of the Spirit correct? These gifts must be asked for and ,"intent", is measured by God in granting them (not weather one is saved or not). Intent is the key brother and ya know it :thumbsup: . Some take a tongue as a badge of honor to flaunt it in anothers face. Massive honor it is (for this one) yet no one has heard it and wont. Prayer tongue for this one is a necessity to combat this ones bombardment of temptation (this one loved his sin while he was in it). An honest plea to fight this bombardment was made in what this one hopes is good intent. A real honest need for this one = intent. Today one see's us Saints struggling with the gift vs what would "they" think ? They think nothing in prayer tongue for it can be done in the closet, car and softly whispered if one is tempted in public. Prayer tongue for some is a must but leave it to the wayside in the "what would they think" mind set and refuse scriptures truth of the gift if one would only ask with pure intent and for some , persistence in the test of God in patients. Heb 4 12 meets us where we are at. Embarrassed about tongues? Use it in privacy until one realizes how could we survive with out it, lol.

Another way to perceive tongues...Remember footprints in the sand parable? Google it and read it. Wait , I,ll do it for ya , ;).. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footprints_(poem) For me, this is Jesus being further tormented in sin by us, for us, in love unfathomable. Why would a follower not need a prayer tongue to battle in Heb 4:12 to alleviate Jesus's further torment from 10 licks of the whip to one? The one comes from Rom 3:10. We all gave , will give and are currently paining God/Jesus thus Philippians 1:21 correct?
 
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