Time for the truth 7

[VictorC]

I like doing things king Jesus' way.

You didn't finish those citations, did you? So when confronted with the cold hard reality the Law dictates, you hate the Sabbath more than those trying to get you to confront your demons.

Just doing good on the Sabbath even if it means walking more than a Sabbath's journey.

I see. So we can add breaking the Sabbath to your list of "good deed" motions of the flesh.

 

[VictorC]

Does Jesus have to withdraw His too? 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

This has no relation to your post, and you made no effort to rectify the mistake you made - one that has been pointed out to you many times in the past.

 

[Elder 111]

You didn't finish those citations, did you? So when confronted with the cold hard reality the Law dictates, you hate the Sabbath more than those trying to get you to confront your demons..

Why are you placing your position on me?

I see. So we can add breaking the Sabbath to your list of "good deed" motions of the flesh.

Jesus was called a Sabbath breaker too. Interesting! That is a sign that I am doing something right.

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Does Jesus have to withdraw His too? 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
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This has no relation to your post, and you made no effort to rectify the mistake you made - one that has been pointed out to you many times in the past.

Pointed out by Jesus? NO! Verify by Jesus as correct? YES! The Jews were convinced there were correct, were they so when they crucified Christ? Do you think you are correct because you hold the views you have? The bible does not confirm you views!

 

[VictorC]

Why are you placing your position on me?

Jesus was called a Sabbath breaker too. Interesting! That is a sign that I am doing something right.

No.
I accurately described your disdain for the Sabbath. You've already seen what it demands, and you won't comply when confronted with the reality of the knife and lambs it entails.

 

[VictorC]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Does Jesus have to withdraw His too? 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
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Pointed out by Jesus? NO! Verify by Jesus as correct? YES! The Jews were convinced there were correct, were they so when they crucified Christ? Do you think you are correct because you hold the views you have? The bible does not confirm you views!

One more time, with feeling:
This has no relation to your post, and you made no effort to rectify the mistake you made - one that has been pointed out to you many times in the past.

 

[VictorC]

Bump for Elder111.

I'm still waiting for proof of a Sabbath command in the New Testament.

Now, wouldn't that demand that God's redeemed children depart from God's "My rest" the Sabbath didn't provide?
And become circumcised to adhere to the annual Sabbaths included when God charged the children of Israel to keep His Sabbaths in the plural?
And perform the burnt offerings necessary to keep the Sabbath holy?
And procure the Levitical priesthood exclusively authorized to perform those burnt offerings?
Burnt offerings the Lord isn't authorized to perform?
Burnt offerings the Lord has no pleasure in?

Wouldn't doing all the things necessary to keep the Sabbath HOLY according to the Law that ordained it DEMAND that you dump Jesus our High Priest in order to replace Him with the Levitical priesthood? Essentially reject Christianity in order to revert to Judaism?

The answer to all of these is "yes".
Reverting to the old covenant that ordained the Sabbath denies God's redemption of transgressions under it, and denies His mediation of a new covenant that replaced the former shadow with His permanent rest.
The reason He took away the old covenant.

There's a lot more entailed in your request of proof of the Sabbath in the new covenant than meets the eye. As you've learned by experience already, such proof doesn't exist.
Nor can it.

For Elder111: read the citations affirming the above points:
Hebrews 4:6-11
Exodus 12:48
Exodus 31:13
Numbers 28:9-10
Hebrews 7:11
Hebrews 7:14
Hebrews 10:8
Hebrews 9:15
Hebrews 10:9

Nowhere in Scripture is there anything to prevent you or others from assembling on any day of the week as a matter of tradition. However, plenty of quotes outlining Adventism's soteriology have been provided to show that they don't assemble on the Sabbath as a matter of traditional choice, and they do not extend us the liberty Christ gave to us to choose another day of the week.
Galatians 5:1-4 is the final citation offered for your edification.

Here's the post you pretended to miss.

 

[Elder 111]

Bump for Elder111.

Here's the post you pretended to miss.

The reason for the new covenant as the same book says has nothing to do with the law itself. That you have insisted to reject/ignore in order to maintain an unscriptural position. Heb 8: 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Not fault with the LAW!!!

 

[VictorC]

The reason for the new covenant as the same book says has nothing to do with the law itself. That you have insisted to reject/ignore in order to maintain an unscriptural position. Heb 8: 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Not fault with the LAW!!!

You must have something else on your mind. This bears no relevance to the post you quoted from me. Here, try addressing the content this time:

I'm still waiting for proof of a Sabbath command in the New Testament.

Now, wouldn't that demand that God's redeemed children depart from God's "My rest" the Sabbath didn't provide?
And become circumcised to adhere to the annual Sabbaths included when God charged the children of Israel to keep His Sabbaths in the plural?
And perform the burnt offerings necessary to keep the Sabbath holy?
And procure the Levitical priesthood exclusively authorized to perform those burnt offerings?
Burnt offerings the Lord isn't authorized to perform?
Burnt offerings the Lord has no pleasure in?

Wouldn't doing all the things necessary to keep the Sabbath HOLY according to the Law that ordained it DEMAND that you dump Jesus our High Priest in order to replace Him with the Levitical priesthood? Essentially reject Christianity in order to revert to Judaism?

The answer to all of these is "yes".
Reverting to the old covenant that ordained the Sabbath denies God's redemption of transgressions under it, and denies His mediation of a new covenant that replaced the former shadow with His permanent rest.
The reason He took away the old covenant.

There's a lot more entailed in your request of proof of the Sabbath in the new covenant than meets the eye. As you've learned by experience already, such proof doesn't exist.
Nor can it.

For Elder111: read the citations affirming the above points:
Hebrews 4:6-11
Exodus 12:48
Exodus 31:13
Numbers 28:9-10
Hebrews 7:11
Hebrews 7:14
Hebrews 10:8
Hebrews 9:15
Hebrews 10:9

Nowhere in Scripture is there anything to prevent you or others from assembling on any day of the week as a matter of tradition. However, plenty of quotes outlining Adventism's soteriology have been provided to show that they don't assemble on the Sabbath as a matter of traditional choice, and they do not extend us the liberty Christ gave to us to choose another day of the week.
Galatians 5:1-4 is the final citation offered for your edification.

*EDIT* your comments stem from an earlier post that exposes your idolatry, as well as your ignorance of the message the epistle to the Hebrews depicts. You didn't respond to either one of these posts. Nor did you respond to Sophrosyne's post that languishes for attention. As with most of the posts contributed to your threads, you simply ignore them or attempt deflection with logical fallacies we can all see right through.
Your views are simply indefensible.

Well, I'm sitting in the dining room with a laptop I installed a new OS onto, and I had to do something to prove a hardware networking issue has been resolved. It has been fun. I wish it was a learning experience we could have all gained something from, but a sober reality check doesn't allow me to entertain that notion.

 

[Elder 111]

You must have something else on your mind. This bears no relevance to the post you quoted from me. Here, try addressing the content this time:

*EDIT* your comments stem from an earlier post that exposes your idolatry, as well as your ignorance of the message the epistle to the Hebrews depicts. You didn't respond to either one of these posts. Nor did you respond to Sophrosyne's post that languishes for attention. As with most of the posts contributed to your threads, you simply ignore them or attempt deflection with logical fallacies we can all see right through.
Your views are simply indefensible.

Well, I'm sitting in the dining room with a laptop I installed a new OS onto, and I had to do something to prove a hardware networking issue has been resolved. It has been fun. I wish it was a learning experience we could have all gained something from, but a sober reality check doesn't allow me to entertain that notion.

All that you have cited has nothing to do with the Sabbath of the ten Commandments. When God spoke and wrote the Ten Commandments they were not included. There was not attached to it the priesthood and lamb sacrifice etc. Every ploy is instituted to burden the Sabbath as was with the Jews but Jesus gave adequate example of Sabbath keeping. God gave ten and the ploy is to cut out one.
As for Heb 4: you know where the bible stand on that I stand with the bible.
7Again, he limiteth a certain day, (the Sabbath) saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (Did Jesus speak of another day?)

9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. (the Sabbath remains)

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. (Where else do we see God resting but on the Sabbath?)

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (WE are counseled to keep the Sabbath)

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Christians walk in line with the moral law of God, but we are not justified by doing so; we are justified by Christ's work on our behalf.

Reading a few of your posts, Elder 111, I'm not certain that you are not resting in you obedience to the law rather than in the finished work of Christ. I hope I'm wrong.

"For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin."

 

[listed]

So when a beautiful lady tempts me to commit adultery I should not try to obey the law! If I do then I confess that Jesus did not died for me! Is that your point?

Would it be sin? You add the wrinkle of the law to the sin, we co not.

 

[listed]

As in the 7th command? As well as the other 9? All were temporal, only for a time? So I repeat are we to take God's name in vain without being guilty?

You still try to get us to confess it is OK to sin. Why?

 

[listed]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Mat 24: 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Why did Jesus told us to pray that our flight be not on the Sabbath? Because He expected that we will still be keeping it even when He returns the second time!!!!
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Hold up there buddy! So none of what Jesus said was for us?
Is that the prerequisite for Jesus' word not belonging to us? When Elder111 quotes it?

Rather than agree with the passage, you willfully choose to misapply it. Why?

 

[listed]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Originally Posted by Elder 111

The God who saves us gave us the law. Is the above what you think of God?
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We are lawless then?
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Of course not! where did you get that idea? But if we don't walk as God would have us to walk would we end up in God's good books?

Elder 111!!!

 

[listed]

I like doing things king Jesus' way. Just doing good on the Sabbath even if it means walking more than a Sabbath's journey.

Was not aware that was your prophetess's name.

 

[VictorC]

All that you have cited has nothing to do with the Sabbath of the ten Commandments. When God spoke and wrote the Ten Commandments they were not included. There was not attached to it the priesthood and lamb sacrifice etc. Every ploy is instituted to burden the Sabbath as was with the Jews but Jesus gave adequate example of Sabbath keeping. God gave ten and the ploy is to cut out one.

This method of discarding the commandment to keep the Sabbath HOLY stems from an artifical division in the Law that doesn't exist. It is bad enough that you have to reject all that God commanded for the Sabbath, but seeing your post date/time given by the server (a dispassionate witness that doesn't know how to lie) shows that you don't keep the Sabbath - AT ALL.

It isn't Christians who need to strip the Law of its holiness as you do.

As for Heb 4: you know where the bible stand on that I stand with the bible.
7Again, he limiteth a certain day, (the Sabbath) saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (Did Jesus speak of another day?)

9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. (the Sabbath remains)

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. (Where else do we see God resting but on the Sabbath?)

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (WE are counseled to keep the Sabbath)

You don't see God resting on the Sabbath anywhere in Scripture, other than in the Person of Jesus during the Law's tenure before He fulfilled its requirements in His propitiation at the cross. Anyone reviewing Hebrews 4 will see it open with a promise of God's rest, quoting directly from Genesis 2:2 for its origin, and showing God's wrath displayed at the provocation, quoting from Psalm 95, "I swore in My wrath, they shall not enter My rest". Then in David He declared that there's another day to be attained. Joshua didn't provide God's rest (your translation citing 'Jesus' is a well documented error).

All of these happened to a people who already had the Sabbath. Looking for a promise the recipients didn't have that comes 'another day' doesn't allow speculation about the Sabbath. But, that's what you did - the Sabbath doesn't appear anywhere in this chapter, and every one of your parenthetical insertions is incompetent wishful thinking. You know this already from discussion on your ancient thread 'Why not Jesus' where you were repeatedly charged with finding the Sabbath anywhere in the chapter, and you never did.

You are not "counseled to keep the Sabbath". You as a Gentile in Barbados was never given the Sabbath. All of your effort produces a rejection of God's rest that wasn't given to man during the tenure of the Mosaic covenant Law.

 

[VictorC]

Christians walk in line with the moral law of God, but we are not justified by doing so; we are justified by Christ's work on our behalf.

Reading a few of your posts, Elder 111, I'm not certain that you are not resting in you obedience to the law rather than in the finished work of Christ. I hope I'm wrong.

"For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin."

You aren't wrong. Elder111 has already repeatedly documented his soteriology that links his 'salvation' to his own compliance with the Mosaic covenant, and not Christ's finished work and promise to those having faith in His performance.

 

[listed]

Does Jesus have to withdraw His too? 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

It has been reduced to position in heaven. Vanity reigns!! well at least for some. Who cares what position (rank or prestiege) 1 had in heaven? By this verse alone we know that 1 does not have to keep the law for entrance.

 

[listed]

Why are you placing your position on me?

Jesus was called a Sabbath breaker too. Interesting! That is a sign that I am doing something right.

His idea or the Scripture's idea?

In you vain of thinking, is not turn about reasonable? You sure try to place your position on us.