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the miracle of forgiveness by w kimball??
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Where / how do these doctrines fit into the big picture that you are viewing?
Hebrews 5: 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Mark 16: 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; ....
Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. (Remember that Peter had yet to become converted!)
Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. (Can we be saved without the Father's forgiveness?)
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is a reference to praying with good conscience.
I think you were asked what is the unpardonable sin in the bible, if that is the unpardonable sin please tell me how can any other sin be unpardonable??
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Can you really accept Him if you do not accept His commandments? Can you love Him without keeping His commandments. Can you accept Him without loving Him?
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But being baptized is the covenant ordinance that separates the wishy washy belief from the devoted and dedicated belief. A person's works is what exposes their genuine belief. Remember that the devils also believe, and tremble.
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Not at all. It means we must submit our will to God, as little children submit to their parents. To be teachable, humble, trusting, .....
What does it take to become converted, as I reminded that Peter was not yet converted. We must be converted to enter God's presence. Could it mean being totally submissive, totally teachable, totally humble and trusting? Can you not see how working every day to improve on keeping the commandments that Jesus gave us will yield that conversion?
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I do not get the application of your comment with the requirement of salvation that Mark recorded.
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the devil does believe yes but not on Jesus as the saviour that is for sure.
my fav scripture is John 3:16 it says everything about being saved.
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I think I responded to that question. All sins are pardonable if we repent of them, excepting the rejection of the Spirit's witness of the divinity of the Son of God. Genuine repentance means turning 180 deg. from that sin and never repeating it. If we love Christ more than the sin, we will find the strength and power to do this. When we sin, it simple means that our love for Him is below our potential. Keeping the commandments daily strengthens and fortifies our love for Him, until we have reached our potential. Our potential stems from being created in God's likeness.
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¶For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
So if you believe in Him, and He tells you to do something and you don't do it, do you really believe in Him?
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no it doesn't repenting means turning away from, it does not mean you will never do it again, you are mixing ideas there.
No matter how much we love Jesus we will sin, the love God has for us is his measure of forgiveness, all our sins past, present and future are forgiven, that's why it says "their is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus", we cannot be condemned for any sin, it doesn't mean we cannot sin or will not sin, it means we will no longer be held accountable for those sins .
his love is unconditional it is not strengthened or weakened by anything we do.
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If you repent, you are sorry for committing the sin. Are you truly sorry if you repeat the sin?
Please, tell me what repentance means to you!
John 14:15
¶If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Your statement presumes you understand the full potential we have to love. That understanding comes from experience. The experience comes from keeping the commandments. If you believe you cannot keep all the commandments, you create an internal weakness that stifles your potential. Belief is essential. "All things are possible to those who believe." It is written that God has prepared a way for each of us to escape temptation, and that we will never be tempted above that which we are able to bear.
So, if Jesus said our love is measured by keeping His commandments, don't you think if we love Him, we will do everything we can to find that way God has prepared to escape temptation? That is a high level of love! It is the level of love that qualifies us for this promise. 1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
Those in Christ are those who keep His commandments!
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so no one is sorry, we all sin, we all repeat sins, you would have the celestial kingdom empty.
we know his love is unconditional that is a given, how can we experience his love as you put it if we are set a task of being perfect when we cannot be perfect, how can we experience his love when according to the lds if you are not perfect you are not saved, all you can experience is a being who demands what you cannot give.
funny thing is you are stressing people out over a payment that has already been paid.
Again how is the new covenant more glorious if it demands our perfection before God.
so no one is sorry, we all sin, we all repeat sins, you would have the celestial kingdom empty.
no those in Christ are those who believe on him and follow, they will fall short as we all will, that is why Grace is so amazing, a free gift of righteousness, no more bonding to being perfect when you cannot be, you were never intended to be perfect, the law was to show you the futility of trying to save yourself by your own self righteousness.
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How discomforting it must be to be in your spiritual dilema. It really is as simple as believing in Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. He loved us long before we accepted him, no matter how sinful or lives were. He will continue to love us regardless of how many commandments we keep or don't keep.
Your "what ifs" and "what abouts" only show the immaturity of your faith. It's not about us, it's about HIM! His grace and mercy are far beyond our comprehension or understanding. By faith, we trust in Him. The false teaching by the lds that one gets some high level of celestial glory by accepting your prophet, being married, and all the other works that your church requires is not the gospel that Jesus preached. The Pharisees made it complicated for the common people, Jesus made it simple - believe in Him.
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