Why so some many Catholic churches have the eye of providence in them, the same symbo

[Gwendolyn]

They could have done it to make Freemasonry seem acceptable to Christians.

I think LWU might be right on this. Adopting and re-appropriating religious imagery is not uncommon. The Nazis appropriated the Buddhist/Hindu/Jain symbol for luck.

 

[pauluk3]

Wait....."the internet is.......?" As in the internet is a good source? OK this conversation is over.

umm yes there are lots of accurate resources on the internet, some of course are no anf just rubbish... can I ask were do you gt your information from ? books ? Well they could also be wrong...

 

[pauluk3]

I think LWU might be right on this. Adopting and re-appropriating religious imagery is not uncommon. The Nazis appropriated the Buddhist/Hindu/Jain symbol for luck.

ok fair enough that could have been the cause, but I don't see it in any other churches outside the catholic church, never ....not once.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

ok fair enough that could have been the cause, but I don't see it in any other churches outside the catholic church, never ....not once.

And I don't see it in any Catholic church. Never. Not once.

Now I'm done. Ridiculous conversation.

 

[pauluk3]

And I don't see it in any Catholic church. Never. Not once.

Now I'm done. Ridiculous conversation.

ok, hide from truth, its not up for debate, its a fact, simple, i have seen it myself, take care

 

[Anhelyna]

ok, hide from truth, its not up for debate, its a fact, simple, i have seen it myself, take care

And from a link YOU provided in post #6

Why is the All Seeing Eye found in some European Medieval Churches?

The Catholic Church has not used it as a symbol in its churches for a long time. The Church has basically abandoned the symbol when the masons started using it.
The Knights Templar had been disbanded over 200 years before the Freemasonry existed.

Now most of these examples to which you refer are indeed very old buildings and the device possibly cannot be removed without causing irreparable damage

 

[pauluk3]

And from a link YOU provided in post #6

Why is the All Seeing Eye found in some European Medieval Churches?



Now most of these examples to which you refer are indeed very old buildings and the device possibly cannot be removed without causing irreparable damage

Yes I have already established that the eye of Providence was used in the Catholic Church and thus I provided as links. My question is why would Freemasons and occultic society use a symbol found in Christianity and why is the symbol not found in any other churches except catholic churches (old or new) ?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

My question is why would Freemasons and occultic society use a symbol found in Christianity

Like I said before, it could be to make Freemasonry seem acceptable to Christians.

and why is the symbol not found in any other churches except catholic churches (old or new)?

If it's an ancient symbol then it's because the Catholic Church is ancient while Protestant buildings are not.

If, before Freemasonry, the symbol used to be common in Catholic church buildings it's not common anymore.

 

[Simpleman25]

Yes I have already established that the eye of Providence was used in the Catholic Church and thus I provided as links. My question is why would Freemasons and occultic society use a symbol found in Christianity and why is the symbol not found in any other churches except catholic churches (old or new) ?

I wasn't going to respond since you were tying the illuminati and freemasonry together. One doesn't exist, the other does.

BTW, the beginnings of freemasonry are steeped in Christianity.

 

[pauluk3]

I wasn't going to respond since you were tying the illuminati and freemasonry together. One doesn't exist, the other does.

BTW, the beginnings of freemasonry are steeped in Christianity.

Thats not what my research has show , can you provide a source for that?

Adam Weishaupt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History of Freemasonry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sword of the Lord]

I'm not sure about Catholic parishes around the globe using this symbol - whether or not they do, what they mean, or why they may do it - but this image is at the Vatican. It's quite possibly and probably the work of Michelangelo. As I discussed in another thread, I watched a documentary on the religious works of Michelangelo and he has become quite known for trying and often succeeding in incorporating pagan symbolism in Christian art - with supreme subtlety. This image at the Vatican:

Vatican All Seeing Eye

The thread about the works of Michelangelo:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7857228/

 

[pauluk3]

I'm not sure about Catholic parishes around the globe using this symbol - whether or not they do, what they mean, or why they may do it - but this image is at the Vatican. It's quite possibly and probably the work of Michelangelo. As I discussed in another thread, I watched a documentary on the religious works of Michelangelo and he has become quite known for trying and often succeeding in incorporating pagan symbolism in Christian art - with supreme subtlety. This image at the Vatican:

Vatican All Seeing Eye

The thread about the works of Michelangelo:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7857228/

I think you will really enjoy this series, its outstanding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md-CRRYOBVI&list=PLCED9C361662866BD&index=3

 

[Rhamiel]

I have seen that symbol in a few Catholic Churches
I have also seen it in a few of the more ornate Lutheran Churches I have visited

it is meant to symbolize that God can see all

why do Freemasons use it?
because Freemasonry is not that very old
they were founded some time in the 1600's or maybe the 1500's, no one really knows for sure
to us that seems old
but when we look at the Catholic Church then we see that Freemasonry is just a baby
so since it does not have the dignity of age, it "played dress up" and stole all kinds of Medieval symbols, both Christian and Occult, to try and look more ancient then it really was

they also stole from Protestants
the Crown and Cross was a popular symbol in the Anglican Church
the Freemasons use it to symbolize the Templars
lol even the name Templars show how little history the Freemasons have
the Templars were dissolved in 1307
so the Templars were gone for at least 120 years before the Freemasons were even founded
this would be like me claiming to be a soldier in the Ottoman Empire hahahaha
oh but anyways, they stole the Cross and Crown symbol too, Freemasonry just likes to have pomp and pageantry without any deeper meaning, very empty
to hide its spiritual and intellectual emptiness it takes symbols from older organizations
Cross and Crown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sword of the Lord]

You will never see that image in an LCMS parish. I would believe it if you told me ELCA, though.

 

[pauluk3]

I have seen that symbol in a few Catholic Churches
I have also seen it in a few of the more ornate Lutheran Churches I have visited

it is meant to symbolize that God can see all

why do Freemasons use it?
because Freemasonry is not that very old
they were founded some time in the 1600's or maybe the 1500's, no one really knows for sure
to us that seems old
but when we look at the Catholic Church then we see that Freemasonry is just a baby
so since it does not have the dignity of age, it "played dress up" and stole all kinds of Medieval symbols, both Christian and Occult, to try and look more ancient then it really was

they also stole from Protestants
the Crown and Cross was a popular symbol in the Anglican Church
the Freemasons use it to symbolize the Templars
lol even the name Templars show how little history the Freemasons have
the Templars were dissolved in 1307
so the Templars were gone for at least 120 years before the Freemasons were even founded
this would be like me claiming to be a soldier in the Ottoman Empire hahahaha
oh but anyways, they stole the Cross and Crown symbol too, Freemasonry just likes to have pomp and pageantry without any deeper meaning, very empty
to hide its spiritual and intellectual emptiness it takes symbols from older organizations
Cross and Crown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But why would Freemasons adopt a Christian symbol, when they are in accordance with organisation ?

 

[pauluk3]

I have seen that symbol in a few Catholic Churches
I have also seen it in a few of the more ornate Lutheran Churches I have visited

it is meant to symbolize that God can see all

why do Freemasons use it?
because Freemasonry is not that very old
they were founded some time in the 1600's or maybe the 1500's, no one really knows for sure
to us that seems old
but when we look at the Catholic Church then we see that Freemasonry is just a baby
so since it does not have the dignity of age, it "played dress up" and stole all kinds of Medieval symbols, both Christian and Occult, to try and look more ancient then it really was

they also stole from Protestants
the Crown and Cross was a popular symbol in the Anglican Church
the Freemasons use it to symbolize the Templars
lol even the name Templars show how little history the Freemasons have
the Templars were dissolved in 1307
so the Templars were gone for at least 120 years before the Freemasons were even founded
this would be like me claiming to be a soldier in the Ottoman Empire hahahaha
oh but anyways, they stole the Cross and Crown symbol too, Freemasonry just likes to have pomp and pageantry without any deeper meaning, very empty
to hide its spiritual and intellectual emptiness it takes symbols from older organizations
Cross and Crown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is it possible the symbol is actually from the Babylonian aera and that I is in fact the Nimrod on the top of the ziggurat ?

 

[Rhamiel]

You will never see that image in an LCMS parish. I would believe it if you told me ELCA, though.

You are an expert on art, iconography and church architecture in different Lutheran Synods?

sorry to be so blunt, but a lot of people seem really scandalized by this
Catholics saying "you must be wrong, we do not have that in our churches"
now Lutherans saying the same thing

it was an artistic symbol

do a quick google search and you will see that even in some Eastern Orthodox Churches you will find this symbol

so it has been used by many Christians
it has also been used by occultists and freemasons

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Please provide me examples of this in LCMS parishes.

 

[Rhamiel]

You will never see that image in an LCMS parish. I would believe it if you told me ELCA, though.

well you are mistaken about that
a quick google search has shown atleast one Lutheran LCMS parish that has it
probably many more also have it
also a good number of Anglican/Episcopalian, maybe some older Methodist

What’s Up With That Masonic Symbol? « Trinity Lutheran Church

it was a common symbol in Christian art

 

[Rhamiel]

But why would Freemasons adopt a Christian symbol, when they are in accordance with organisation ?

sorry, the multi-quote option seems to be acting up on me

why would Freemasons use it?
like I said, they are only a few hundred years old but they like to pretend that they are ancient
so they stole symbols from things that were ancient
the Christian Church, Occultist, the Shriners stole symbols from Islam
anything ancient in order to clothe their modern group in the dignity and mystery of these ancient groups

as for a Nimrod connection
I do not think there is much of one

Nimrod is barely mentioned in the Bible
and reputable historians have not found any connection between Nimrod and any other historical figure