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[crjmurray]

I want to know if you have any reason to hold the beliefs you do or if you just make it up as you go along.

 

[justlookinla]

Would a person be judged by your God if they chose a belief other than Christianity?

Yes they would. We'll all be judged, Christian and non-Christian.

Now, again....does this mean that you believe you're a product of something other than only random/chance, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless naturalistic mechanisms acting on an alleged single life form from long long ago?

 

[justlookinla]

I want to know if you have any reason to hold the beliefs you do or if you just make it up as you go along.

We all have reasons to believe as we do, including you and me. No, I don't make it up as I go along.

 

[crjmurray]

We all have reasons to believe as we do, including you and me. No, I don't make it up as I go along.

Well looking at natural processes and claiming God-did-it seems like making it up as you go along.

 

[justlookinla]

Well looking at natural processes and claiming God-did-it seems like making it up as you go along.

No, looking at the incomprehensible complexity of creation is concluding that a 'higher power' is necessary for such a creation.

Now, again....does this mean that you believe you're a product of something other than only random/chance, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless naturalistic mechanisms acting on an alleged single life form from long long ago?

 

[crjmurray]

No, looking at the incomprehensible complexity of creation is concluding that a 'higher power' is necessary for such a creation.

Now, again....does this mean that you believe you're a product of something other than only random/chance, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless naturalistic mechanisms acting on an alleged single life form from long long ago?

Incomprehensible to whom? I certainly don't look at nature and find it incomprehensibly complex. That's an argument from incredulity but you've been told that before. Besides, even if that were true it still wouldn't point to an individual Creator.

 

[justlookinla]

Incomprehensible to whom? I certainly don't look at nature and find it incomprehensibly complex. That's an argument from incredulity but you've been told that before. Besides, even if that were true it still wouldn't point to an individual Creator.

No, it's not an argument from incredulity, it's an argument from complexity. The complexity and variety of creation is incomprehensible to you, me and everyone. For example, just the brain of a human is such a complex creation it alone isn't fully understood. And that's just a very very small part of all creation.

"Our brain is the most complex machine that ever existed. With over 7.146 billion models it is also the most ubiquitous. Despite this, we are unsure of its complexity. We still do not yet understand how it works. By defining the functionality of certain areas of the brain, and by understanding some of the mechanics at the neural chemical level, we still remain ignorant of how the brain coordinates all of its activities and develops language, thought and a sense of self."​

Complexity of Our Brain | Psychology Today

Now, again....does this mean that you believe you're a product of something other than only random/chance, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless naturalistic mechanisms acting on an alleged single life form from long long ago?

Have I asked you this a dozen times and you've evaded a dozen times?

 

[crjmurray]

No, it's not an argument from incredulity, it's an argument from complexity. The complexity and variety of creation is incomprehensible to you, me and everyone. For example, just the brain of a human is such a complex creation it alone isn't fully understood. And that's just a very very small part of all creation.

"Our brain is the most complex machine that ever existed. With over 7.146 billion models it is also the most ubiquitous. Despite this, we are unsure of its complexity. We still do not yet understand how it works. By defining the functionality of certain areas of the brain, and by understanding some of the mechanics at the neural chemical level, we still remain ignorant of how the brain coordinates all of its activities and develops language, thought and a sense of self."​

Complexity of Our Brain | Psychology Today

Now, again....does this mean that you believe you're a product of something other than only random/chance, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless naturalistic mechanisms acting on an alleged single life form from long long ago?

Have I asked you this a dozen times and you've evaded a dozen times?

Great stuff. But eventually we will understand the brain and what will your example be? Stating God as a designer because we can't understand something is a bit primitive.

 

[justlookinla]

Great stuff. But eventually we will understand the brain and what will your example be? Stating God as a designer because we can't understand something is a bit primitive.

I've directly answered every question of yours. Isn't it about time you answer the question of mine?

Now, again....does this mean that you believe you're a product of something other than only random/chance, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless naturalistic mechanisms acting on an alleged single life form from long long ago?

 

[crjmurray]

I've directly answered every question of yours. Isn't it about time you answer the question of mine?

Now, again....does this mean that you believe you're a product of something other than only random/chance, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless naturalistic mechanisms acting on an alleged single life form from long long ago?

I'd rather not answer your dishonest and silly question.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

There is no force in this universe can move the earth. It is where it is, doing what it does and it will not be moved.

Hmmph. In order to calculate the exact path of the earth's orbit, it is not only necessary to take into account the gravitational effects of the sun on the earth, but the effects of the major planets as well.

In addition, you should visit the sea shore and contemplate the tides. They rise twice a day. Once, when they rise, the water nearest the moon is pulled towards the moon away from the earth, resulting in the high tide. The other time when they rise, the earth itself is being pulled away from the ocean making the ocean appear to rise relative to the earth.

This is earth moving, my friend.

Not only does the earth move from one place to another in the solar system, the earth rotates. The rotation of the earth was unknown in ancient times, but is easily demonstrated today by watching it from space, or by one of those Faucult pendulums. (Did I spell that right?)

That counts as the earth moving.

In addition, of course, the earth participates in the rotation of the galaxy and in the motion of the galaxy itself in relation to the average rest mass of the universe.

 

[crjmurray]

Hmmph. In order to calculate the exact path of the earth's orbit, it is not only necessary to take into account the gravitational effects of the sun on the earth, but the effects of the major planets as well.

In addition, you should visit the sea shore and contemplate the tides. They rise twice a day. Once, when they rise, the water nearest the moon is pulled towards the moon away from the earth, resulting in the high tide. The other time when they rise, the earth itself is being pulled away from the ocean making the ocean appear to rise relative to the earth.

This is earth moving, my friend.

Not only does the earth move from one place to another in the solar system, the earth rotates. The rotation of the earth was unknown in ancient times, but is easily demonstrated today by watching it from space, or by one of those Faucult pendulums. (Did I spell that right?)

That counts as the earth moving.

In addition, of course, the earth participates in the rotation of the galaxy and in the motion of the galaxy itself in relation to the average rest mass of the universe.

Apparently the earth being immovable means the earth can't be moved from the path that God has set for it. Buuuut anything that happens to the earth is God's will so there's no real answer here.

 

[JacksBratt]

Hmmph. In order to calculate the exact path of the earth's orbit, it is not only necessary to take into account the gravitational effects of the sun on the earth, but the effects of the major planets as well.

In addition, you should visit the sea shore and contemplate the tides. They rise twice a day. Once, when they rise, the water nearest the moon is pulled towards the moon away from the earth, resulting in the high tide. The other time when they rise, the earth itself is being pulled away from the ocean making the ocean appear to rise relative to the earth.

This is earth moving, my friend.

Not only does the earth move from one place to another in the solar system, the earth rotates. The rotation of the earth was unknown in ancient times, but is easily demonstrated today by watching it from space, or by one of those Faucult pendulums. (Did I spell that right?)

That counts as the earth moving.

In addition, of course, the earth participates in the rotation of the galaxy and in the motion of the galaxy itself in relation to the average rest mass of the universe.

Please see my posts # 247 and #250

 

[EternalDragon]

Great stuff. But eventually we will understand the brain and what will your example be? Stating God as a designer because we can't understand something is a bit primitive.

I was just thinking about mentioning that. They say you can take all the
phones, computers, tablets, etc. in the world today, put them all together
and it would all equal the power of one human brain.

Apparently nature just came about developing something like that
by mere time and chance. And that is just your brain.

 

[crjmurray]

I was just thinking about mentioning that. They say you can take all the
phones, computers, tablets, etc. in the world today, put them all together
and it would all equal the power of one human brain.

Apparently nature just came about developing something like that
by mere time and chance. And that is just your brain.

Complex therefore God

 

[EternalDragon]

Complex therefore God

Extremely complex in many ways therefore not mother nature.

 

[crjmurray]

Extremely complex in many ways therefore not mother nature.

Thanks for taking the long way around the barn to repeat my post.

 

[lasthero]

I was just thinking about mentioning that. They say you can take all the
phones, computers, tablets, etc. in the world today, put them all together
and it would all equal the power of one human brain.

Who is 'they', and can you show where 'they' ever said such a thing?

 

[justlookinla]

Great stuff. But eventually we will understand the brain and what will your example be? Stating God as a designer because we can't understand something is a bit primitive.

The brain is just a small part of creation, just one of the many wonders of life. The issue isn't about understanding the brain, the issue is if only random/chance, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless naturalistic mechanisms created something as complex and intricate as the brain from an alleged single life form of long long ago. The truth is, there's not a single solitary example of only naturalistic mechanisms creating such complex machines, the basis for such a faith-based view is supported only by a plethora of guesses and suppositions.

 

[justlookinla]

I'd rather not answer your dishonest and silly question.

After dozens of evasions, while I patently answered your questions, you once again evade answering my simple question to you, now suggesting my personal dishonesty for asking the question. Would you please point out my dishonesty in the question?

Again....does this mean that you believe you're a product of something other than only random/chance, mindless, meaningless, purposeless and goalless naturalistic mechanisms acting on an alleged single life form from long long ago?