God used Evolution to create man

[Linuxgal]

It depends on what one knows about Christ as to whether leaving Him out is a sin or not. God doesn't judge people for what they do not know.

So the best strategy to avoid judgement is to reject anyone trying to witness to Jesus before they open their mouth.

 

[JayFern]

I shouldn't even bother with those who are stubborn and though responding won't even look at what is explained in my posts in this thread, even when they have been in the discussion already through that time. I am not going to keep repeating it, that isn't worth it, it can easily be seen anyway, and those not looking so as to understand are just showing what I said, they will resist understanding for the sake of their position, and bring up things to say unrelated to it. What I explained is argument enough for establishing the conclusion.

Could we change a God to anything we wanted then use your argument to say it exists?

 

[EternalDragon]

Could we change a God to anything we wanted then use your argument to say it exists?

Can you provide 60+ genuine eyewitness accounts by 40+ different
authors from different walks of life and vastly different time periods
that all coincide in harmony. Then you may have a case. Otherwise
you are just inventing your own god.

 

[JayFern]

Can you provide 60+ genuine eyewitness

Who were they then and how old were they when they told their stories because the gospels were not written until at least 60 - 70 years after Jesus was supposed to have died?

accounts by 40+ different authors from different walks of life and vastly different time periods
that all coincide in harmony.

The original number was about 60 but they got rid of the ones they didn't like or didn't suit their purpose.

Then you may have a case. Otherwise
you are just inventing your own god.

That's why all you can use is "FAITH", good luck with believing hearsay.

 

[AV1611VET]

Who were they then and how old were they when they told their stories because the gospels were not written until at least 60 - 70 years after Jesus was supposed to have died?

They could have been written a thousand years after His death and still be more accurate than someone who was there with a video recorder.

You don't know verbal plenary inspiration very well, do you?

Under verbal plenary inspiration, a blind man can draw a map of a city that is more accurate than AAA can ever produce -- whether he ever heard of that city or not.

 

[JayFern]

They could have been written a thousand years after His death and still be more accurate than someone who was there with a video recorder.

You don't know verbal plenary inspiration very well, do you?

Under verbal plenary inspiration, a blind man can draw a map of a city that is more accurate than AAA can ever produce -- whether he ever heard of that city or not.

Well that's fantastic so there's nothing to worry about because the con men have got it all sewn up.
You will obviously believe whatever they tell you to believe no matter how ridiculous it is.

I bet Kent can't wait to get out to start coining it in again, good luck to him.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well that's fantastic so there's nothing to worry about because the con men have got it all sewn up.
You will obviously believe whatever they tell you to believe no matter how ridiculous it is.

I bet Kent can't wait to get out to start coining it in again, good luck to him.

How does this even remotely address what I said?

 

[Linuxgal]

Under verbal plenary inspiration, a blind man can draw a map of a city that is more accurate than AAA can ever produce -- whether he ever heard of that city or not.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, who visited the tomb? Matthew says Mary Magdelene and the "other Mary". Mark says Mary Madelene and Mary mother of James and Joses. Luke says Mary Madelene, Mary mother of James, Joanna, and other women. John says only Mary Magdelene.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, why did they visit the tomb? Matthew says to see the tomb. Mark and Luke say to bring spices. John says the body was already spiced before they arrived.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, was the tomb open before they arrived? Mathew says no, the rest say yes.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, who was waiting at the tomb? Matthew says one angel. Mark says one young man. Luke says two men. John says two angels.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, what were the messengers doing? Matthew says sitting on the stone. Mark says sitting inside, to the right. Luke says standing inside. John says sitting on each side of the stone.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, what did the messengers say? Matthew and Mark say he said to meet Jesus in Galilee. Luke says they say, "Jesus is risen like he told you." John says they say "Woman why weepest thou?"

Under verbal plenary inspiration, who did Jesus appear to first? Matthew says the Eleven. Mark says two disciples in the country. Luke says two disciples in Emmaus. John says Mary Magdelene.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, where did the risen Jesus first meet the disciples? Matthew says a mountain in Galilee. Mark says to the Eleven at a meal. Luke says Emmaus. John says in a room.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, what happened when they met? Matthew says the disciples worshiped, but some doubted. Mark says Jesus reprimanded them. Luke says Jesus materialized, reprimanded them, then ate. John says Jesus passed through locked door, blessed disciples, no reprimand.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, how long did Jesus linger after the resurrection? Matthew doesn't say. Mark and Luke say one day. John says eight days.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, where did the ascension take place? Matthew and John have no account of the ascension. Mark says Jerusalem. Luke says Bethany.

 

[JayFern]

Well that's fantastic so there's nothing to worry about because the con men have got it all sewn up.
You will obviously believe whatever they tell you to believe no matter how ridiculous it is.

I bet Kent can't wait to get out to start coining it in again, good luck to him.

How does this even remotely address what I said?

Under verbal plenary inspiration, who visited the tomb? Matthew says Mary Magdelene and the "other Mary". Mark says Mary Madelene and Mary mother of James and Joses. Luke says Mary Madelene, Mary mother of James, Joanna, and other women. John says only Mary Magdelene.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, why did they visit the tomb? Matthew says to see the tomb. Mark and Luke say to bring spices. John says the body was already spiced before they arrived.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, was the tomb open before they arrived? Mathew says no, the rest say yes.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, who was waiting at the tomb? Matthew says one angel. Mark says one young man. Luke says two men. John says two angels.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, what were the messengers doing? Matthew says sitting on the stone. Mark says sitting inside, to the right. Luke says standing inside. John says sitting on each side of the stone.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, what did the messengers say? Matthew and Mark say he said to meet Jesus in Galilee. Luke says they say, "Jesus is risen like he told you." John says they say "Woman why weepest thou?"

Under verbal plenary inspiration, who did Jesus appear to first? Matthew says the Eleven. Mark says two disciples in the country. Luke says two disciples in Emmaus. John says Mary Magdelene.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, where did the risen Jesus first meet the disciples? Matthew says a mountain in Galilee. Mark says to the Eleven at a meal. Luke says Emmaus. John says in a room.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, what happened when they met? Matthew says the disciples worshiped, but some doubted. Mark says Jesus reprimanded them. Luke says Jesus materialized, reprimanded them, then ate. John says Jesus passed through locked door, blessed disciples, no reprimand.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, how long did Jesus linger after the resurrection? Matthew doesn't say. Mark and Luke say one day. John says eight days.

Under verbal plenary inspiration, where did the ascension take place? Matthew and John have no account of the ascension. Mark says Jerusalem. Luke says Bethany.

After that little lot AV it would seem that what I said holds true, you will believe anything they want you to believe.

 

[AV1611VET]

Under verbal plenary inspiration, who visited the tomb? Matthew says Mary Magdelene and the "other Mary". Mark says Mary Madelene and Mary mother of James and Joses. Luke says Mary Madelene, Mary mother of James, Joanna, and other women. John says only Mary Magdelene.

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[AV1611VET]

After that little lot AV it would seem that what I said holds true, you will believe anything they want you to believe.

I certainly won't believe the fact (?) that the Gospels, since they were written 60-70 years after Jesus' death, are somehow less reliable than had they been written in real time.

 

[justlookinla]

I certainly won't believe the fact (?) that the Gospels, since they were written 60-70 years after Jesus' death, are somehow less reliable than had they been written in real time.

Some folks apparently reject any and all historical accounts because they were not written in real time. Biographies are rejected because they weren't written in real time, as well as the alleged teachings of Aristotle and Plato.

Or it could be that as long as it's not the bible, those same folks are pretty well accepting of anything.

 

[AV1611VET]

Some folks apparently reject any and all historical accounts because they were not written in real time.

Just an excuse not to believe -- that's all it is.

 

[JayFern]

Just an excuse not to believe -- that's all it is.

Of course that's what it is we just don't want to believe, you do so you do.

 

[AV1611VET]

Of course that's what it is we just don't want to believe, you do so you do.

Would you consider this a win-win situation?

 

[justlookinla]

Of course that's what it is we just don't want to believe, you do so you do.

We all believe.

 

[JayFern]

Would you consider this a win-win situation?

No one wins AV because we all die in the end.

 

[AV1611VET]

No one wins AV because we all die in the end.

So there's no such thing as a win-win situation in your estimation?

 

[JayFern]

We all believe.

That's what keeps Kent going the knowledge that you are all out there waiting for him to come out and relieve you of your money.
Instead of giving it to the likes of him why don't you spend it on your children's education and try and give them a chance in the world? if you lumber them with creationism the way you were lumbered they won't stand a chance.

 

[justlookinla]

Kent Hovind apparently owns you, even while he's in prison. You seem to have an uncommon obsession with him.

That's what keeps Kent going the knowledge that you are all you there waiting for him to come out and relieve you of your money.

Support your claim that we are all waiting for Kent to come out and relive us of our money.

Instead of giving it to the likes of him why don't you spend it on your children's education and try and give them a chance in the world?

Are you suggesting that Christians spend their money supporting Kent Hovind instead of furthering their children's education? Will you also support this claim of yours?

if you lumber them with creationism the way you were lumbered they won't stand a chance.

I'm not sure what you mean by "lumbered". Care to define that particular term?

Oh....and we all believe, even you.