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My sarcasm detection meter has been broken by this place. Are you being literal?

Oh, and tip for posting YouTube videos. When a YouTube link has https in the beginning of it, it can cause the layout of the thread to be significantly distorted as you see now. If you remove the s from the link address the video should still play properly, and it will hopefully resolve the problem with the layout. :)
 
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Oh, and tip for posting YouTube videos. When a YouTube link has https in the beginning of it, it can cause the layout of the thread to be significantly distorted as you see now. If you remove the s from the link address the video should still play properly, and it will hopefully resolve the problem with the layout. :)

I was just looking for this tip. Thanks.
 
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Davian said:
I would have to see if he could preach something other than logical fallacies and anti-science rhetoric.

Forgot, he's only a renowned doctor, whose been through the most rigorous, scientific training out there.

What does he know? We have Davian here to bestow us with knowledge lolol. You know, the guy from Christian Forums dot com.
 
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Forgot, he's only a renowned doctor, whose been through the most rigorous, scientific training out there.

What does he know?
Good question. Did that training include evolutionary biology and astrophysics? My understanding is that he was a surgeon.
We have Davian here to bestow us with knowledge lolol. You know, the guy from Christian Forums dot com.
Hopefully, you are a lot funnier in person.
 
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Davian said:
Good question. Did that training include evolutionary biology and astrophysics? My understanding is that he was a surgeon.

Is this a serious question? Never met a doctor who wasn't trained in biology.

Did you think before typing this out?
 
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Did that training include evolutionary biology and astrophysics?
Does it matter?

Was Charles Darwin an evolutionary biologist and astrophysicist?

Was Fred Hoyle an evolutionary biologist and astrophysicist?

If not, why should we respect the Darwin-Hoyle model?
 
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Davian said:
Biology is a huge field. It is my understanding that specialization is a necessity.

Well, getting a Ph.D in evolutionary biology would certainly be a waste. How would you serve society with that?

I'm pretty sure with all his scientific training, he's more than well acquainted with the theory. It's saturated in most textbooks, especially when studying the biological sciences.
 
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Does it matter?
Indeed. If he is appealing to the opinion of a brilliant surgeon for his expertise in evolutionary biology and astrophysics, it could be seen as an fallacious appeal to authority.
Was Charles Darwin an evolutionary biologist and astrophysicist?
Yes, no.
Was Fred Hoyle an evolutionary biologist and astrophysicist?
No, yes.
If not, why should we respect the Darwin-Hoyle model?
If what they presented to the scientific community was well-evidenced and has, for the most part, withstood the scrutiny of their peers as an accurate description of reality, I do not see why not.

To paraphrase Winston Churchill, science is the worst way to investigate reality, but all the others have been tried.
 
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Davian said:
Indeed. If he is appealing to the opinion of a brilliant surgeon for his expertise in evolutionary biology and astrophysics, it could be seen as an fallacious appeal to authority. Yes, no. If what they presented to the scientific community was well-evidenced and has, for the most part, withstood the scrutiny of their peers as an accurate description of reality, I do not see why not. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, science is the worst way to investigate reality, but all the others have been tried.

Everything you say is rubbish.

Francis Collins isn't an evolutionary biologist, but he's touted around this forum all the time for his pro-evolutionary views.
 
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Well, getting a Ph.D in evolutionary biology would certainly be a waste. How would you serve society with that?
Society benefits from biomedical breakthroughs, does it not?

"To see the integral role of evolution in biomedical research, consider Nobel Prizes, a good indicator of the most important breakthroughs in biology. Reviewing the last 50 years of Nobel Prizes in medicine or physiology, I asked, "Is training in evolutionary biology necessary for a thorough understanding of the award-winning discoveries and work resulting from each breakthrough?" By my criteria, understanding of evolution is necessary in 47 of 50 cases. From vaccines, viral cancer genes, and nerve cell communication to drug trials, and genes controlling cholesterol and heart disease, evolutionary insights are crucial."

Evolution is a Winner ? for Breakthroughs and Prizes | NCSE
I'm pretty sure with all his scientific training, he's more than well acquainted with the theory. It's saturated in most textbooks, especially when studying the biological sciences.
Indeed, but he did specialize in surgery.

But, what you say about the textbooks is true.

Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Davian said:
Society benefits from biomedical breakthroughs, does it not? "To see the integral role of evolution in biomedical research, consider Nobel Prizes, a good indicator of the most important breakthroughs in biology. Reviewing the last 50 years of Nobel Prizes in medicine or physiology, I asked, "Is training in evolutionary biology necessary for a thorough understanding of the award-winning discoveries and work resulting from each breakthrough?" By my criteria, understanding of evolution is necessary in 47 of 50 cases. From vaccines, viral cancer genes, and nerve cell communication to drug trials, and genes controlling cholesterol and heart disease, evolutionary insights are crucial." Evolution is a Winner ? for Breakthroughs and Prizes | NCSE Indeed, but he did specialize in surgery. But, what you say about the textbooks is true. Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I seen you post the former several times. I already replied to it in another thread you posted on.

As for the latter, not really with replying to.

"Nothing makes sense, in biology, without evolution"!

Chant it some more and I might start to believe it. Actually, I do believe some of it, so maybe chanting isn't necessary .
 
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Everything you say is rubbish.
Everything? Dr. Carson is not a brilliant surgeon? ^_^
Francis Collins isn't an evolutionary biologist, but he's touted around this forum all the time for his pro-evolutionary views.
He was a geneticist, and in genetics is where some of the key evidence for the theory of evolution is found.

Do you have an alternative theory that accommodates the evidence better? Or are you just anti-science?
 
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I seen you post the former several times. I already replied to it in another thread you posted on.
I am unable to find that post.
As for the latter, not really with replying to.

"Nothing makes sense, in biology, without evolution"!

Chant it some more and I might start to believe it. Actually, I do believe some of it, so maybe chanting isn't necessary .
Progress has been made. Do you think you could get Dr. Carson to believe that 'some of it'?
 
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Forgot, he's only a renowned doctor, whose been through the most rigorous, scientific training out there.

What does he know? We have Davian here to bestow us with knowledge lolol. You know, the guy from Christian Forums dot com.

Argument from authority.

Behe has a Phd. He's still the laughing stock of the scientific community.
Newton is considered the smartest man to ever walk the earth by many. But that doesn't mean anything he says is smart or true. His work in Alchemy for example is downright ridiculous.

Smart people can say stupid things.
 
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