Couple fined for declining same-sex wedding on their farm

[TLK Valentine]

Are we really going to do this again?

42 US Code § 2000bb–1

Memorize it, liberals. It is the law of the land. Fines and legal maneuverings of this type are only manipulations to force Christians to accept what to them is unacceptable, and guess what? Federal law says we do not have to do so, whether you like it or not!

Read this, conservative:

"And this past August, an administrative law judge from The Bronx, Migdalia Pares, decreed that the farm was a “public accommodation’’ and ordered the penalties, after ruling that the Giffords had violated state law by discriminating against the two women."

 

[MachZer0]

I'd close the entire thing down and when people asked me why I'd give them the court ruling.

The couple is no longer doing wedding ceremonies on their property, but they will continue to have receptions. They've had to fire a wedding planner because of financial losses.

How long before Christians realize how stupid it is to own a business in these times?

Thats the objective, to drive Christians out of the marketplace

 

[bhsmte]

Thats the objective, to drive Christians out of the marketplace

Prove it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Thats the objective, to drive Christians out of the marketplace

Not so -- non-Christian bigots are also driven out of the marketplace.

 

[MachZer0]

New York is a one-party state. See N.Y. Penal Law §§ 250.00, 250.05.

Accusations of committing a felony is defamation per se. So who has implicated them self in a crime again?

Straw man. No accusations have been made

 

[MachZer0]

Prove it.

just read the threads like this one. No further proof is necessary

 

[bhsmte]

just read the threads like this one. No further proof is necessary

I don't see it, show me, make your case with details.

 

[TLK Valentine]

just read the threads like this one. No further proof is necessary

No proof is given.

 

[CaDan]

Straw man. No accusations have been made

Tu quoque, actually.

Keep those informal fallacies straight.

 

[CaDan]

just read the threads like this one. No further proof is necessary

Hasty generalization.

 

[RDKirk]

Oh look, OP cuts the quote right before the important part. "Fifteen years ago, Cynthia, 54, and Robert Gifford, 55, opened to the public their farm in upstate Schaghticoke, near Albany, where they’ve lived for 25 years."

If you open it to the public, don't be surprised when THE PUBLIC wants to use it. That includes LGBT people.

It's not hard people. Don't want to host a SSM, fine. Don't make it open to the public.

As I have said before, the problem is "mixing the sacred with the profane."

What a Christian wants to keep sacred must be kept sacred. Once profaned, it is profane. A prostitute is a prostitute, by definition not a virgin.

 

[ananda]

Thats the objective, to drive Christians out of the marketplace

Practicing any specific form of religion is a limited privilege under licensure.

 

[bhsmte]

As I have said before, the problem is "mixing the sacred with the profane."

What a Christian wants to keep sacred must be kept sacred. Once profaned, it is profane. A prostitute is a prostitute, by definition not a virgin.

Why do you think these Christian business owners with such strong religious beliefs, choose to mix the sacred with the profane?

 

[kermit]

I have a hard time understanding why people start business that serves the public with some product or service yet hold views prohibiting themselves from selling that product or service to everyone.

 

[AztecSDSU]

Clearly our free society benefits greatly from government sponsored forced interactions. I know personally that I can't imagine living without the government forcing people that hate me to take my money under threat of violence.

 

[AztecSDSU]

I have a hard time understanding why people start business that serves the public with some product or service yet hold views prohibiting themselves from selling that product or service to everyone.

Because people don't accept everyone's behavior. I might own a rental hall that I want to rent out for someone's retirement party and yet still not to want rent it out to Ray's bondage and S&M conference. It's pretty simple: I don't want to be associated with S&M. Some people don't want to be associated with homosexuals. Some people open businesses that only sell really expensive stuff because they only want to associate with people that have a lot of money. Every business is actively discriminating against someone.

 

[bhsmte]

Because people don't accept everyone's behavior. I might own a rental hall that I want to rent out for someone's retirement party and yet still not to want rent it out to Ray's bondage and S&M conference. It's pretty simple: I don't want to be associated with S&M. Some people don't want to be associated with homosexuals. Some people open businesses that only sell really expensive stuff because they only want to associate with people that have a lot of money. Every business is actively discriminating against someone.

Wrong.

Actively discriminating would mean making a decision to not serve a customer willing to pay for the service.

 

[CaDan]

As I have said before, the problem is "mixing the sacred with the profane."

What a Christian wants to keep sacred must be kept sacred. Once profaned, it is profane. A prostitute is a prostitute, by definition not a virgin.

God has taught me to call no person unclean or profane.

 

[bhsmte]

God has taught me to call no person unclean or profane.

Wouldn't that go back to the whole; log in your own eye thing?

 

[AztecSDSU]

Wrong.

Actively discriminating would mean making a decision to not serve a customer willing to pay for the service.

Nope. Beyond the obvious situation where businesses choose not to cater to various demographics, there are legions of instances where businesses decline sales because they don't want to serve the prospective buyer. A hotel turning down a porn convention, a rental hall that doesn't want to host the NRA, a Jewish guy that refused to print Neo-Nazi flyers. Some people that do business have ethical boundaries they don't want to cross. Yet the world still goes on. We're all freer when the government cannot use violence to force us to interact against our will.