Something I need to get off my chest about the whole creation/evolution thing.

[Tzaousios]

 

[Time4Truth]

Is that all you have is foolishness when you guys get cornered with Gods word?

 

[Tzaousios]

Is that all you have is foolishness when you guys get cornered with Gods word?

Who are "you guys?"

Also, posting a huge wall of text with the keyword "parable" in it does nothing towards proving the validity of literalist interpretation over non-literal or vice versa.

 

[Time4Truth]

Who are "you guys?"

Also, posting a huge wall of text with the keyword "parable" in it does nothing towards proving the validity of literalist interpretation over non-literal or vice versa.

Was Jesus Christ literally born, crucified and raised from the dead?


Yes or no

 

[Tzaousios]

Was Jesus Christ literally born, crucified and raised from the dead?

Yes. However, that I say this does nothing more towards proving the validity of literalist interpretation over non-literal or vice versa than does posting a huge wall of prooftexts.

Who are "you guys?"

 

[Time4Truth]

Yes.

Is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, according to your literal understanding of his account, a descendent of Adam

Yes or no

Luk 3:38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

 

[Tzaousios]

Is Jesus Christ of Nazereth, according to your literal understanding of his account, a descendent of Adam

Where is this line of questioning leading, Socrates? You keep editing my point out of what I say in reply to you.

Also, you have not said who you are referring to when you say "you guys."

 

[Fireinfolding]

Heres aother verse on speaking in similitudes in Hosea as well

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

A proverb, parable, a proverbial saying, aphorism

byword

similitude, parable

poem

sentences of ethical wisdom, ethical maxims

Heres just a couple more

Pslam 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old

John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

 

[Time4Truth]

Where is this line of questioning leading, Socrates? You keep editing my point out of what I say in reply to you.

Also, you have not said who you are referring to when you say "you guys."

Im going to prove Adam was a literal person, and that God formed Adam, leaving you with no justification to argue anything other than the literal account of how God created Adam.



Is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, according to your literal understanding of his account, a descendent of Adam

Yes or no

Luk 3:38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Luke starts off here counting back

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed ) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

 

[Tzaousios]

Im going to prove Adam was a literal person, and that God formed Adam, leaving you with no justification to argue anything other than the literal account of how God created Adam.

You must be getting me mixed up with someone else or with a strawman representation. I never asserted that Adam could not have been a "real person" or that God did not literally create human beings.

Please tell me, who are you referring to when you say "you guys?"

 

[Time4Truth]

You must be getting me mixed up with someone else or with a strawman representation. I never asserted that Adam could not have been a "real person" or that God did not literally create human beings.

Please tell me, who are you referring to when you say "you guys?"

Do you believe that the Genesis account of Adam is literal?

Yes or no


"You guys" is a reference to you alone. You may not be aware of who Im talking to, but the other "guy" is.

 

[Time4Truth]

Foolishness is not from God if you need a hint

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

No, that is ridiculous.

Nice red herring btw..


We practice communion the exact way, literally the exact way Christ told us to.



Your logic is astounding..

It's not a red hearing. You don't consistently take Scripture literally. You take parts that have the genre-markers of poetry as literal, and you take the parts of Scripture that are clear teaching figuratively. I can't respect a creationist who doesn't also believe what the whole church believed for the first three quarters of its history: that Christ really and truly descends into the bread and wine and is really and truly eaten by us in holy communion.

 

[Time4Truth]

I echo the posts of ViaCrucis, LiberalAnglicanCatholic, Melethiel, Kama Kidogo, and Darth Bagel.

Do you believe Jesus Christ was literally born, died, and resurrected? Yes or no?

If you believe this account to be literal, then do you believe that Jesus Christ of Nazareth is also a descendent of Adam?

Luk 3:38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

 

[Tzaousios]

Do you believe that the Genesis account of Adam is literal?

I disagree with the premise that it must be literal or nothing at all. It sets up a false dichotomy to try to force an absolutist literalist position while demonizing all other ones. Bifurcation only leads to circular arguments

"You guys" is a reference to you alone. You may not be aware of who Im talking to, but the other "guy" is.

I'm sorry, but this is still rather cryptic. Now who is the "other guy?"

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

That is entirely your subjective belief, based on air and your own human mind.




You have nothing in scripture to affirm your position and only your worldliness to explain why its not what God clearly says.


Where is your faith?

Well you have a psychological disorder that makes you think you're a prophet and you base your belief on your own ignorance of how biblical literature actually works.

Nah nah nah nah nah.

See? Two can play at that game.

 

[Time4Truth]

It's not a red hearing. You don't consistently take Scripture literally. You take parts that have the genre-markers of poetry as literal, and you take the parts of Scripture that are clear teaching figuratively. I can't respect a creationist who doesn't also believe what the whole church believed for the first three quarters of its history: that Christ really and truly descends into the bread and wine and is really and truly eaten by us in holy communion.

Do you believe that Jesus Christ literally was born, died, and resurrected?

Yes or no?

If you agree that the account of Christ is literal, then do you agree that Jesus Christ is also a descendent of Adam?


Yes or no?

Luk 3:38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.



If you believe Adam was a literal person, in which the line of David is literally from, on what Grounds can you refute the creation account of Adam by God as anything other than literal?

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Do you believe Jesus Christ was literally born, died, and resurrected? Yes or no?

If you believe this account to be literal, then do you believe that Jesus Christ of Nazareth is also a descendent of Adam?

Luk 3:38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

You seem to be completely unaware that a person can hold that Jesus of Nazareth was literally born, died, and resurrected while also holding that the fall account was figurative, even though you hold that Jesus of Nazareth was literally born, died, and resurrected while also holding that the words "this is my body" and "this is my blood" are figurative.

 

[Time4Truth]

Well you have a psychological disorder .

Interesting..

You get get caught in your own nonsense and you attack my character.




I cannot answer you according to your folly.


Id rather pray for you.