Do you agree with this statement?

[MyLordMySavior]

And you base this on what?

My curiosity! I'm thinking outside of the box here. I love biology, so I like to think well... how exactly did He do this, maybe He did this or maybe He did this! We don't know in the case of Jesus's conception and whatever, but I can still ponder.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Exactly as worded is all that I am saying!!! The power of the Holy Spirit--the CHILD WILL BE HOLY--speculation is what has brought about the doctrines followed!!

Gee, if it was what you were saying then why didn't you say so? You wrote a long post explaining eggs and sperm and stuff, none of which is in the scriptures. It was all speculating. But if you didn't mean any of that stuff, great! I am glad you've accepted the Catholic perspective.

 

[topcare]

Ave redemptor, Domine Jesus:
Cuius ob opus
Superatur mors, enim salvatio
Nunc inundavit super universam terram.

Sancte redemptor, reputata
Fides est nobis peccatoribus,
Nunc et in morte, ad iustitiam.

 

[Rick Otto]

Something you've yet to do but yet when someone attacks the type of rhetoric you hold, fair game right?

Sorry, I don't play that type of game.

Be that shining example!

 

[Rick Otto]

Ave redemptor, Domine Jesus:
Cuius ob opus
Superatur mors, enim salvatio
Nunc inundavit super universam terram.

Sancte redemptor, reputata
Fides est nobis peccatoribus,
Nunc et in morte, ad iustitiam.

Quidquid latine dictum, altum videtur.

 

[Rick Otto]

Gee, if it was what you were saying then why didn't you say so? You wrote a long post explaining eggs and sperm and stuff, none of which is in the scriptures. It was all speculating. But if you didn't mean any of that stuff, great! I am glad you've accepted the Catholic perspective.

I see what you did there.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Quidquid latine dictum, altum videtur.

Especially things that are profound.

 

[Rick Otto]

Lol, you can't blame me for being curious. These are definitely going to be the type of questions I am going to ask when I die.

I hear ya.
It was the questions that I anticipated being asked me, that got me thinking.
First one I expected was, "What are YOU doing here?", and then, "Did you even read "The Book?".
lol

 

[Rick Otto]

Especially things that are profound.

Yep,... things like scripture.
Repeat those.

 

[mmksparbud]

Gee, if it was what you were saying then why didn't you say so? You wrote a long post explaining eggs and sperm and stuff, none of which is in the scriptures. It was all speculating. But if you didn't mean any of that stuff, great! I am glad you've accepted the Catholic perspective.

Yee, Gadz!! How can I accept the Catholic perspective which is based solely on speculation?!! The eggs and sperm only came in because you say Mary was mother in every way a mother can be---not!!! Mary a virgin at Christs birth is true--Mary, a virgin forever= pure speculation. Mary, worthy of honor and respect for her role in giving birth to Christ=true. Mary, worthy of adoration, being the one and only young virgin to have born that honor=speculation. Mary, mother to the Christ=true. Mary, mother of the church=total speculation! Christ is the head of the church and required no mother. No woman was ever the head of the man in scripture. She was mother to the Child Christ--not the head of the man/God. Mary as intercessor=Christ alone is intercessor. Praying to Mary--we pray to God. If you don't want speculation, then you quite speculating!!!
Without Mary there would still be salvation through Christ for that is what Christ came to do. Salvation is through Christ, period--no other way, no other person! Any other, innocent, loving, kind, virgin, of that predicted lineage, that God chose, would have been acceptable---Mary as the only one that ever could be==complete speculation, and totally untrue!

And thus ends my total and complete answer to this question. I'm sure the pope will now change your doctrine

 

[Thekla]

Sarah
Ruth
Rachel
Mary Magdalene
Elizabeth
Hannah
Esther
Rahab
Deborah


Do you see these biblical women as your spiritual mothers?

what would be the value of their 'motherhood' without the motherhood of the Virgin Mary ?

(these women are also commemorated)

 

[Targaryen]

what would be the value of their 'motherhood' without the motherhood of the Virgin Mary ?

(these women are also commemorated)

Very good point

 

[Lion King]

what would be the value of their 'motherhood' without the motherhood of the Virgin Mary ?

(these women are also commemorated)

Their spiritual motherhood is not dependant upon Mary, but only on God. The LORD considers those women I mentioned earlier, part of His holy family because they chose to obey Him, thus Jesus is not afraid to call them His mothers.

 

[Thekla]

Their spiritual motherhood is not dependant upon Mary, but only on God. The LORD considers those women I mentioned earlier, part of His holy family because they chose to obey Him, thus Jesus is not afraid to call them His mothers.

yup, they are spiritual mothers (and sisters etc., as relationship is through God), but this skips the question ...

what would be the value of their spiritual motherhood to you without the motherhood of the Virgin Mary to Jesus ?

 

[Lion King]

yup, they are spiritual mothers (and sisters etc., as relationship is through God), but this skips the question ...

what would be the value of their spiritual motherhood to you without the motherhood of the Virgin Mary to Jesus ?

I have already answered your question.

Their spiritual motherhood is not dependant upon Mary, but only on God.

 

[Thekla]

I have already answered your question.

Their spiritual motherhood is not dependant upon Mary, but only on God.

The answer seemed to "answer" without considering the fulness of the question (becoming thus not an answer per se, but a reiteration of your previous statement).

So to re-ask with a clarification:

It was God's will for Mary to have an essential, once-in-all-eternity active role in His plan, His will, for mankind's salvation - the Incarnation.

What would the value be to you of all the spiritual mothers, brothers, and sisters without the Incarnation of Jesus Christ ?

 

[Lion King]

The answer seemed to "answer" without considering the fulness of the question (becoming thus not an answer per se, but a reiteration of your previous statement).

So to re-ask with a clarification:

It was God's will for Mary to have an essential, once-in-all-eternity active role in His plan, His will, for mankind's salvation - the Incarnation.

What would the value be to you of all the spiritual mothers, brothers, and sisters without the Incarnation of Jesus Christ ?

It was also God's will for Sara and Ruth etc to have essential, once in all eternity roles in His plan for the redemption of mankind- the Incarnation.

Which lineage is the Christ descended from? Is He not a great grandchild of those 2 women I mentioned above?

So, let me ask you this, what value would Mary's motherhood be without Sarah's motherhood to Isaac?

 

[Targaryen]

It was also God's will for Sara and Ruth etc to have essential, once in all eternity roles in His plan for the redemption of mankind- the Incarnation.

Which lineage is the Christ descended from? Is He not a great grandchild of those 2 women I mentioned above?

So, let me ask you this, what value would Mary's motherhood be without Sarah's motherhood to Isaac?

The deflect and redirect attempt is noted....how bout you actually answer Thekla's question.

 

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[Kristos]

While the lineage is important because her lineage made her who she was, the fact remains that God took flesh from Mary, and only Mary, and it was that flesh that made Him Jesus of Nazareth and not Jesus of Jerusalem or Jesus of Tyre, etc. The Son was incarnate precisely as He was, which is mystery itself and more that who He was, is the son of Mary specifically.