Take your pick and call a spade a spade

[NannaNae]

I agree.

But unfortunately, I also believe Scientism will be the religion the Antichrist will operate under during the Tribulation period.

yes and I do think it is odd that jesus himself tells the last church age which will have few saved that he is the creator. not only is he saying he is the creator he is saying he is the archetype/ the authority of creation..


here he is saying he isn't the impotent they want him to be..


Rev 3:14
¶
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Rev 3:15
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

Rev 3:16
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Rev 3:17
Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Rev 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Rev 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Rev 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Rev 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Rev 3:22
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

man they need to become that gold refined by his fire...

but how many will ? how many do you think he will have to share his thrown with ? a handful maybe? this is so sad ! he tells the all other ages to ask seek and to know and he will answer them when they do .. with this generation, this last church age he is even knocking on their doors and no one is listening. they must think they got it figure out..and maybe they think they said a super special prayer or something.
they won't be able to say he didn't try!

 

[NannaNae]

beginning, origin
the person or thing that commences, the first person or thing in a series, the leader
that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause
the extremity of a thing
of the corners of a sail
the first place, principality, rule, magistracy
of angels and demons

 

[NannaNae]

when Jesus stood in front of the giant menorah in the temple area on the feast of lights..
and he said he is the light of the world.
what he said was has to do with that feast. and the lighting of the lights..
during the feast of lights
you light one candle and that candle is the
"fathers" candle... you use that candle to light all other candles each night of the feast .. it has the authority to light ... thus it becomes the source of all light.
When Jesus said he is the light of the World .. he used their word for that father light..
yes they wanted to stone him.. he was saying he is creator.. but
" Christianity" doesn't know what it don't know about him , but it knows about easter bunnies who lay eggs....

 

[Delphiki]

What in the world are you even going on about, NannaNae? Seriously... If you want to "save souls" or whatever, then yammering off topic with a bunch of bible quotes and incoherent word salad obviously isn't the way to do it.

You want people to stop describing and understanding the universe as the evidence indicates to people that only accept evidence and reason, then you're going to have to bring in new evidence.

You believe the stuff you believe, probably because you were raised that way and/or have a strong emotional connection to the mythology. That's not why I believe the stuff I believe. I believe the stuff I believe because as the only way the human body is capable of experiencing the universe around me, I rely on my 5 senses to experience the universe around me. I don't make up deities, angels, demons, little red guys with pitchforks, fiery chariots in the sky, talking snakes (obligatory mention) to explain it or to scare me into being some twisted idea of a good person.

Evidence, reason, critical thinking, skepticism... and most of all, accepting that what I was told to believe all my life could be a total lie.

 

[Paulos23]

should creationism be banned in preference to hocus pocus pseudo non science and nonsense - your comments[no hocus pocus please] - twinc

Like that isn't a loaded OP.

It is clear there are some people that do not trust anything outside the Bible, it is just funny how they don't see how much they use the fruts of science in their daily lives. (Like posting on this forum)

There is a reason creationism is not taught in schools, much less at the university level, and that is becuase it doesn't predict anything and hasn't provided any advancements in bioliogy or medicen.

Show me where the creation theory can do that, and maybe you will be able to get in schools without politics.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is a reason creationism is not taught in schools, much less at the university level, and that is becuase it doesn't predict anything and hasn't provided any advancements in bioliogy or medicen.

Neither do math, history, English, music, industrial arts, auto mechanics, gym class, or social studies.

And as far as 'bioliogy and medicen' are concerned, it looks like they could at least teach their students how to spell it correctly, eh?

 

[Paulos23]

Neither does math, history, English, music, industrial arts, auto mechanics, gym class, or social studies.

And yet those all have benifts to society and some of those have advanced science and the tools we use. I have not seen any advancement or benift from creationism.

And as far as 'bioliogy and medicen' are concerned, it looks like they could at least teach their students how to spell it correctly, eh?

You try to spell without a spell checker with dyslexia while rushing between program runs. Low blow.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Neither does math, history, English, music, industrial arts, auto mechanics, gym class, or social studies.

I think you are wrong on at least a couple of those, and it is debatable on several others. By the way, what is "industrial arts"? That's a new one on me.

And as far as 'bioliogy and medicen' are concerned, it looks like they could at least teach their students how to spell it correctly, eh?

Always a mistake to comment on spelling and grammar. You're just leaving yourself wide open for a pratfall.

 

[AV1611VET]

And yet those all have benifts to society and some of those have advanced science and the tools we use. I have not seen any advancement or benift from creationism.

Saying creationism should be kept out of the schools because it does nothing for society is like saying abiogenesis should be kept out for the same reason.

Creationism is one aspect of theology, and theology has given us such great organizations as the Salvation Army and the Red Cross.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think you are wrong on at least a couple of those, and it is debatable on several others.

That's your prerogative.

By the way, what is "industrial arts"? That's a new one on me.

Industrial arts

 

[Mr Strawberry]

That's your prerogative.

It's not really a matter of opinion.

Industrial arts

Oh, metalwork and woodwork. Well, both of those are more useful than religious studies, or divinity as it was known in my school. We took the divinity o'level a year early because it was regarded as a but of a mickey mouse subject. Metalwork and woodwork were treated far more seriously.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think you are wrong...

That's your prerogative.

It's not really a matter of opinion.

Solid aurum.

 

[Paulos23]

Saying creationism should be kept out of the schools because it does nothing for society is like saying abiogenesis should be kept out for the same reason.

Abiogenesis, as far as I know, is not studied at the high school level and bellow, it is researched at the university level. They are still trying to figure it out and who knows what will come of it.

Creationism is one aspect of theology, and theology has given us such great organizations as the Salvation Army and the Red Cross.

Sorry, Salvation Army and Red Cross have more to do with helping people than theology. Morals and ethics are not a theology only concept. And I don't understand how creationism even relates to what these orginizations do. Your reaching AV.

 

[AV1611VET]

Abiogenesis, as far as I know, is not studied at the high school level and bellow,

So?

What's your point?

Let me remind you what you said:

There is a reason creationism is not taught in schools, much less at the university level, and that is becuase it doesn't predict anything and hasn't provided any advancements in bioliogy or medicen.

What does abiogenesis predict?

What does abiogenesis contribute to biology or medicine?

Not to mention music, auto mechanics, gym class, and industrial arts?

 

[Paulos23]

So?

What's your point?

My point is the subject is still being studied, we don't know enough to claim how it happened....yet. And yet creationists claim to know how everything started and have no evidence to support it.

Let me remind you what you said:

What does abiogenesis predict?

What does abiogenesis contribute to biology or medicine?

Not to mention music, auto mechanics, gym class, and industrial arts?

From my laymans point of view:

Abiogenesis tries to decribe how life began. If we know the conditions of how life began we can look for it on other planets. We might also have a greater understanding of early RNA, DNA, and cells.

And I think your missing the bigger point here AV, on perpose. How does creationism advance our understanding of the world compared to the way evolution (and all of science) does? What advances can you point to that came from creation theory and only creation theory?

Why should we teach something that doesn't reflect the observed universe?

 

[AV1611VET]

Abiogenesis tries to decribe how life began.

No it doesn't.

Abiogenesis is a sentence, pared down to a single term.

Abiogenesis simply says, "Life didn't start from life."

And that's a lie, right out of the pits of Hell.

Adademicians like to try and say that sentence should read:

"Life arose from non-living matter."

But that is not what the term itself implies.

 

[Delphiki]

By the way, what is "industrial arts"? That's a new one on me.

When I was in high school, there were several electives that fell under the blanket of "industrial arts". These included shop (wood working, 'plastic' working), drafting, engineering/construction, and the like.

 

[AV1611VET]

And I think your missing the bigger point here AV, on perpose.

No, I wasn't 'missing the bigger point on purpose' -- but I will now.

I'm not going to get off on a tangent.

If you think creationism should not be taught in school, that's your prerogative.

And it's also your prerogative to try and make it look like creationism should not be taught in school because it contributes nothing to society.

Just as it is my prerogative to disagree.

 

[Paulos23]

No it doesn't.

Abiogenesis is a sentence, pared down to a single term.

Abiogenesis simply says, "Life didn't start from life."

And that's a lie, right out of the pits of Hell.

Adademicians like to try and say that sentence should read:

"Life arose from non-living matter."

But that is not what the term itself implies.

More word games from you. Shouldn't be supprised.

Way to ignore the rest of my post and the points I made that show why you have to divert the discussion. You have nothing but word games.

Life came from somewhere, and the only thing outside of life is non-living matter. Why is this so hard to understand? Or do you want to keep your self image of being a special creation?

Funny thing is, even from the evolution point of view, you are unique. The combanation of DNA that makes you only happens once, making you unique in the universe. And if that isn't special enough for you, then by all means believe you are a special creation from some divine being.

 

[Paulos23]

No, I wasn't 'missing the bigger point on purpose' -- but I will now.

I'm not going to get off on a tangent.

If you think creationism should not be taught in school, that's your prerogative.

And it's also your prerogative to try and make it look like creationism should not be taught in school because it contributes nothing to society.

Just as it is my prerogative to disagree.

And you have not shown there is anything creationism contributes to society, today's society. Thus, proving my point.