When "The Church" became catholic.

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Correct. When the word itself was changed to a proper noun and used to identify a group of worshipers at the exclusion of others.

Orthodox has also been used in this fashion to identify those early Apostolic Churches who disagreed with Rome on particular theological points.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Uh, yeah. pyramid33 ain't the only one is he?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

"The Church" is catholic, orthodox and visible.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

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"The Church" is catholic, orthodox and visible.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Is this the point where we start chasing the E.O. tail about them knowing where 'the church' is but not where it isn't?

Perhaps you can tell us 'where' the church is beside the E.O. congregations.

Start with Rome and work your way out if that can be managed?

 

[Hieros Gamos]

... Rome ...

 

[squint]

Try to follow along with the details.

 

[Tzaousios]

I see that pyramid33 was let back in.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Is this the point where we start chasing the E.O. tail about them knowing where 'the church' is but not where it isn't?

Perhaps you can tell us 'where' the church is beside the E.O. congregations.

Start with Rome and work your way out if that can be managed?

Rome became one of the churches mentioned in ACTS 9:31 in 42 a.d.

From the viewpoint of the E.O., Rome left that group slowly as she began making unilateral changes without the council of the other churches, pronouncing dogma that did not exist in the others. And so there came discord among the churches, no longer worshiping in unity.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

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Rome became one of the churches mentioned in ACTS 9:31 in 42 a.d.

OK, so we know at this point from you (and I certainly wouldn't disagree) that visible RCC and E.O. congregations constitute the church, even though there are division issues.

Got any others?

From the viewpoint of the E.O., Rome left that group slowly as she began making unilateral changes without the council of the other churches, pronouncing dogma that did not exist in the others. And so there came discord among the churches, no longer worshiping in unity.

Ah, so we're just back to your group then as the only known visible church?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

OK, so we know at this point from you (and I certainly wouldn't disagree) that visible RCC and E.O. congregations constitute the church, even though there are division issues.

Got any others?



Ah, so we're just back to your group then as the only known visible church?

Who else could I include? Those who allow gay clergy and marriage? How about those who have discontinued the use of communion, or changed the meaning of baptism?

And how is it that I could answer for communities that I am not a member of?

Yes, we see where it is, and in many cases we can see where it obviously is not. However I cannot say categorically that "The Church" is nowhere else but in the E.O. churches.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

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Who else could I include? Those who allow gay clergy and marriage? How about those who have discontinued the use of communion, or changed the meaning of baptism?

Let's just define the above as the RCC does and say 'anyone who disagrees with your entire body of findings?'

And how is it that I could answer for communities that I am not a member of?

Well, you have answered for the entirety of the RCC which numbers of congregants and visible members far exceed your own as cast them all aside as illegitimate.

Yes, we see where it is, and in many cases we can see where it obviously is not. However I cannot say categorically that "The Church" is nowhere else but in the E.O. churches.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Uh, yeah, I'm familiar with that little dance of terminology.

You only see your own sect and can't seem to figure out anyone else in this day and age. I find that a rather lame claim myself.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Who else could I include? Those who allow gay clergy and marriage? How about those who have discontinued the use of communion, or changed the meaning of baptism?

And how is it that I could answer for communities that I am not a member of?

Yes, we see where it is, and in many cases we can see where it obviously is not. However I cannot say categorically that "The Church" is nowhere else but in the E.O. churches.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Doesn't your church allow marriage? If not, where do all those E.O. babies come from?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Doesn't your church allow marriage? If not, where do all those E.O. babies come from?

"Gay clergy and gay marriage" is what I was referring to, sorry if I confused you.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Please clarify? You claim in the first post the church is everywhere.. extended beyond the now long gone temple and Jerusalem..but in another it is only restricted to EO?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Please clarify? You claim in the first post the church is everywhere.. extended beyond the now long gone temple and Jerusalem..but in another it is only restricted to EO?

I did not say that... nor is it true.

Someone wants me to say that.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[Targaryen]

"Gay clergy and gay marriage" is what I was referring to, sorry if I confused you.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

And my denomination does, and so this makes me "less catholic"? I'm a bit confused by this, unless I'm missing the point in the midst of the distortion of the topic.

 

[squint]

And my denomination does, and so this makes me "less catholic"? I'm a bit confused by this, unless I'm missing the point in the midst of the distortion of the topic.

Uh, yeah, it will sink in for you sooner or later regardless of wishful thinking to the contrary and your continual speaking against truthful speaking on the matters.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

I did not say that... nor is it true.

Someone wants me to say that.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Ok, thank you. I thought as much.

 

[squint]

I did not say that... nor is it true.

Someone wants me to say that.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

I really don't know why you bother with the 'we don't know where it isn't' charade when in fact you only know where it is, your sect.

There is no 'where it isn't.'

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

And my denomination does, and so this makes me "less catholic"? I'm a bit confused by this, unless I'm missing the point in the midst of the distortion of the topic.

If your denomination does (allow gay clergy and gay marriage) then your denomination is not part of "The Church", but has left to go it's own way.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

I think he is pointing out that we are all the church, and not just our specific denominations.