Sabbath was made for man

[mercy1061]

Yes you sure did. You don't seem to catch that the new covenant don't change or remove the Royal law. The new covenant was about the laws of sacrifices, the type that pointed to the true one and only sacrifice that could take away sins.

These were the handwritten laws given by Moses, pertaining to the sacrifices that Pointe to Christ and His shed Blood! The laws of the sacrificial system.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

There were essential defects in these sacrifices. 1st.--They were not of the same nature with those who sinned. 2nd.--They were not of sufficient value to make satisfaction for the affronts done to the justice and government of God. 3rd.--The beasts offered up under the law could not consent to put themselves in the sinner's room and place. The atoning sacrifice must be one capable of consenting, and must voluntarily substitute himself in the sinner's stead: Christ did so.

Those sacrificial laws were of course met in Christ and done away with!

What was handwritten and nailed to the cross? Who was responsible for the handwriting?
Hint: The romans handwritten something against the jews, it was their crime.

 

[Cribstyl]

Lu 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Ac 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Ac 13:14 ¶ But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Ac 13:15 And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.

Clue: Does the synagogue still exist in Christianity? Propper application of these scriptures does not put christains under the law as Jesus and the Jew were subjected to every word in the law.

 

[from scratch]

What was handwritten and nailed to the cross? Who was responsible for the handwriting?
Hint: The romans handwritten something against the jews, it was their crime.

Even they did God's bidding. You think it wasn't at God's direction and God couldn't have prevented such. God spoke the earth into being from nothing.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Clue: Does the synagogue still exist in Christianity? Propper application of these scriptures does not put christains under the law as Jesus and the Jew were subjected to every word in the law.

If showing up at the synagog on Saturday is keeping the Sabbath then a stray dog that wanders by on Saturday is keeping the Sabbath too and the flies that show up to pester folks are also keeping the Sabbath. In other words one has to be actually prepared in advance (the day before) and in the mindset to properly keep the Sabbath. We have no proof that after Gentiles left and went back to wherever they came from they continued their "Sabbath keeping".
I wonder if there were Roman soldiers hanging around the synagogs on Saturday also "keeping the Sabbath" because they were there to patrol the area.

 

[Gibs]

Clue: Does the synagogue still exist in Christianity? Propper application of these scriptures does not put christains under the law as Jesus and the Jew were subjected to every word in the law.

Synagogue was the place of meeting for the people same as today a church building a place of meeting to worship God.

Church is only when the congregation in that building is when the worship is in Spirit and in truth, or He cannot and will not be in it and then it is not "Church" without His Presence in it.

Now, before Christ died God would come and dwell in the Most Holy Place behind the Veil and then He was in it. The Worship then of course had to be in Truth.

Now our worship is by our spirit and His Spirit and hear Jesus,

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Church can be held in buildings, in tents, under a ledge, under a great oak and in buildings of various names as long as the worship is in Spirit now and in Truth also.

Yes they had Church back yon and the word church came from Christ, His Eklisia, Greek for church.

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Now tell me something, did it ever fall? No it did not, so why do men pretend to build Him His Church when it still stands, all any need to have done is get out of the false ones and get in His it fell from and it has no denominational name!

 

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Ok, the 4th commandment says to rest. What's your point again? You're trying to tell us what day to worship by posting the 4th commandment that says nothing about worship.
I expect you to also ignore the details spoken by God before giving them the law. Exo 31:18
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And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. My understanding of the verses preceding Ex31:18 (Ex31:12-17), makes it clear that God had never made Sabbath a covenant with the world, and now is making it exclusive with one nation. Someone is lieing.
Exo 31:13

Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Exo 31:16

Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.


Exo 31:17

It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

God could not have given this covenant before to anyone.

They don't believe Moses.

 

[from scratch]

It was Yah speaking to you all in those scriptures I posted and it was plain to me, but I'm just a plain ole hillbilly born and raised in a holler down a half mile lane down through a woods.

Maybe that is why I understand simple straight out words from Yah.

More like hood winked by deceivers. I live in the holler, myself and have first hand experience with other hillbillies.

 

[Gibs]

The way of salvation from Adam to the consummation will ever be the same and Sabbath observance will in all eternity remain. It will eternally be the seventh of the recurring sevens of recurring solar days!

They before the Sacrifice looked forward in faith and we after look back in faith. And it is by faith that we know God changeth not nor any Word out of His mouth and requires no different for the first to the last!

Get off this imagined free ride and the idea the Sabbath is not for us same as all up through time and into all time future eternity.

We are the children of His Israel when of with and for Him!

Ex 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Sure you will refute that, but be honest with yourselves if not with me. Me, I don't matter, just make sure of your refute to God!

 

[VictorC]

The way of salvation from Adam to the consummation will ever be the same and Sabbath observance will in all eternity remain. It will eternally be the seventh of the recurring sevens of recurring solar days!

They before the Sacrifice looked forward in faith and we after look back in faith. And it is by faith that we know God changeth not nor any Word out of His mouth and requires no different for the first to the last!

Get off this imagined free ride and the idea the Sabbath is not for us same as all up through time and into all time future eternity.

We are the children of His Israel when of with and for Him!

Ex 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Sure you will refute that, but be honest with yourselves if not with me. Me, I don't matter, just make sure of your refute to God!

Oh, good grief! This is such unBiblical pablum it defies the Gospel of God's redemption in Jesus Christ. Adam didn't know the Sabbath, as it wouldn't exist until Moses - and you even quoted from the Law that specifies its exclusivity to the children of Israel. And if you remain accounted as a child of Israel, you aren't accounted as an adopted child of God. The Gospel is summarized nicely in Galatians 4 in just a few verses:

4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.​

Your own post asserts the 'fulness of time' hasn't come. Redemption hasn't happened. The cross meant nothing to you.

 

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The way of salvation from Adam to the consummation will ever be the same and Sabbath observance will in all eternity remain. It will eternally be the seventh of the recurring sevens of recurring solar days!

They before the Sacrifice looked forward in faith and we after look back in faith. And it is by faith that we know God changeth not nor any Word out of His mouth and requires no different for the first to the last!

Get off this imagined free ride and the idea the Sabbath is not for us same as all up through time and into all time future eternity.

We are the children of His Israel when of with and for Him!

Ex 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Sure you will refute that, but be honest with yourselves if not with me. Me, I don't matter, just make sure of your refute to God!

Nope! Why do you need another false teaching to support your teaching about the Sabbath?

 

[Cribstyl]

Oh, good grief! This is such unBiblical pablum it defies the Gospel of God's redemption in Jesus Christ. Adam didn't know the Sabbath, as it wouldn't exist until Moses - and you even quoted from the Law that specifies its exclusivity to the children of Israel. And if you remain accounted as a child of Israel, you aren't accounted as an adopted child of God. The Gospel is summarized nicely in Galatians 4 in just a few verses:

4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
​

Your own post asserts the 'fulness of time' hasn't come. Redemption hasn't happened. The cross meant nothing to you.

Agreed

 

[Sophrosyne]

Nope! Why do you need another false teaching to support your teaching about the Sabbath?

Not to mention the false notion that if one accepts Jesus they are suddenly a citizen of Israel... this flies in the face of Paul's writings having to deal with those who wanted Christians to become "a citizen of Israel" by the rite of circumcision. This blows off the council of Jerusalem as just some private party that folks showed up to pat each other on the back. The fact is the council was convened because Paul was deadly serious about NOT allowing his followers to be made citizens of Israel for the purpose of demanding they be put under the Law. One must trivialize the council to nothingness in order to deny its primary purpose.... to ban demanding old covenant adherence upon new covenant believers.

 

[Gibs]

Proven by the Gospels this happened in the area of 2,000 yrs ago,

Ga 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

 

[Sophrosyne]

Proven by the Gospels this happened in the area of 2,000 yrs ago,

Ga 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

You need to read the Bible instead of just picking up soundbites of it.

Galatians 4 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Sonship in Christ

4 Now I say, as long as the heir is a [a]child, he does not differ at all from a slave although he is [b]owner of everything, 2 but he is under guardians and [c]managers until the date set by the father. 3 So also we, while we were children, were held in bondage under the [d]elemental things of the world. 4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under [e]the Law, 5 so that He might redeem those who were under [f]the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. 6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir [g]through God.
8 However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. 9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless [h]elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored [i]over you in vain.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Galatians 4:21-31New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Bond and Free

21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. 23 But the son by the bondwoman [a]was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24 [b]This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children [c]who are to be slaves; [d]she is Hagar. 25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free; [e]she is our mother. 27 For it is written,
“Rejoice, barren woman who does not bear;
Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor;
For more numerous are the children of the desolate
Than of the one who has a husband.”

28 And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also. 30 But what does the Scripture say?
“Cast out the bondwoman and her son,
For the son of the bondwoman shall not be an heir with the son of the free woman.”

31 So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, [f]but of the free woman.

 

[from scratch]

Proven by the Gospels this happened in the area of 2,000 yrs ago,

Ga 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

So why either a random unrelated off topic post or why are you trying to change the subject? You obviously have no point.

I guess your point is what happened long ago really doesn't matter. Really discarding Jesus and the cross. A problem with this argument is the law happened even further back in history carrying the same meaning. This really makes us both nothing but time wasting ignorant jerks.

 

[Sophrosyne]

So why either a random unrelated off topic post or why are you trying to change the subject? You obviously have no point.

I guess your point is what happened long ago really doesn't matter. Really discarding Jesus and the cross. A problem with this argument is the law happened even further back in history carrying the same meaning. This really makes us both nothing but time wasting ignorant jerks.

It also to me means that if the Law was good enough to begin with then why did Jesus bother to come at all? We see people that act like the Law is 90% of Christianity and Jesus 10% when in reality Jesus is 100% or nothing.

 

[Gibs]

Here I thought you guys were well aware that Jesus Christ was born of Mary and she had a manchild,

Re 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Re 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

 

[from scratch]

It also to me means that if the Law was good enough to begin with then why did Jesus bother to come at all? We see people that act like the Law is 90% of Christianity and Jesus 10% when in reality Jesus is 100% or nothing.

I'm pretty sure you read the above post trivializing Jesus and the cross with a so what attitude. It really shows they try to bypass Jesus. Who else does this?

 

[from scratch]

Here I thought you guys were well aware that Jesus Christ was born of Mary and she had a manchild,

Re 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Re 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Just more pointless off topic spam.