Why are SDA so paraoid of Jesuits?

[Tzaousios]

Are you sure want to resort to the dark ages methods against the protestant reformers - on "every post"??

Is this another pejorative use of the term "dark ages?" If not, please demonstrate how that applies to an actual historical time period.

 

[Tzaousios]

Not to mention that the Jesuits weren't even around during the period some call the Dark Ages. Go figure. Of course historians are beginning to realize that the Dark Ages weren't really so dark.

Indeed. Although there are still some posters in GT who deny it right and left, "dark ages" is now used mostly to describe any time period, people, or actions that anti-Catholics do not like, or, if it is used chronologically to any extent, to denote the period from the death of the last apostle to the sixteenth century.

 

[Tzaousios]

Hey i am not saying that there is not someone out there still saying "hmmm dark ages - sounds like pretty good times to me".

But some of us don't do that.

What, "some of us" co-opt the term as a rhetorically pejorative term to describe things one perceives as "Catholic?"

 

[BobRyan]

Hey i am not saying that there is not someone out there still saying "hmmm dark ages - sounds like pretty good times to me".

But some of us don't do that.

What, "some of us" co-opt the term as a rhetorically pejorative term to describe things one perceives as "Catholic?"

Let's say for the sake of argument that you consider the doctrine of the virgin birth to be "Catholic".

Have you ever -- even once heard me or any Protestant refer to the virgin birth as "dark ages superstition" or "a throw back to the dark ages"?? or any such thing??

When someone brings up the dark ages does any protestant then say "oh - you mean the doctrine of the virgin birth" -- in real life?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Indeed. Although there are still some posters in GT who deny it right and left, "dark ages" is now used mostly to describe any time period, people, or actions that anti-Catholics do not like, .

hmm so then the meeting between the Fatima event - happened in the "dark ages" according to some Protestant you know?

on this thread the point is made that the Pope abolished the Jesuits - but that a few pope's later they started to come back -- in the 19th century.

Do you find that we Protestants refer to the 19th century as "the dark ages"??

Or do we say "the Jesuits were raised back up - in the dark ages - in the 1800's"

 

[Tzaousios]

Let's say for the sake of argument that you consider the doctrine of the virgin birth to be "Catholic".

Have you ever -- even once heard me or any Protestant refer to the virgin birth as "dark ages superstition" or "a throw back to the dark ages"?? or any such thing??

When someone brings up the dark ages does any protestant then say "oh - you mean the doctrine of the virgin birth" -- in real life?

So what? Does this mean you use it almost always in the pejorative sense or to describe an actual historical period?

 

[Mama Kidogo]

Not to mention that the Jesuits weren't even around during the period some call the Dark Ages. Go figure. Of course historians are beginning to realize that the Dark Ages weren't really so dark.

Maybe they were around but just hiding in the dark.

 

[BobRyan]

Hey i am not saying that there is not someone out there still saying "hmmm dark ages - sounds like pretty good times to me".

But some of us don't do that.

What, "some of us" co-opt the term as a rhetorically pejorative term to describe things one perceives as "Catholic?"

Let's say for the sake of argument that you consider the doctrine of the virgin birth to be "Catholic".

Have you ever -- even once heard me or any Protestant refer to the virgin birth as "dark ages superstition" or "a throw back to the dark ages"?? or any such thing??

When someone brings up the dark ages does any protestant then say "oh - you mean the doctrine of the virgin birth" -- in real life?

So what? Does this mean you use it almost always in the pejorative sense or to describe an actual historical period?

it means it is not a euphemism for 'whatever is Catholic'.

Refers to the blind superstition/practices/ignorance of the real dark ages.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Athanasias]

Jesuits invented the idea of the Virgin Birth and the hypostatic Union. Just ask Bob.

 

[Rick Otto]

Jesuits never did anything wrong. Just ask Athanasius.

 

[Rick Otto]

So what? Does this mean you use it almost always in the pejorative sense or to describe an actual historical period?

Dark Ages denial... is that like holocaust denial?

Lol

 

[Mama Kidogo]

Dark Ages denial... is that like holocaust denial?

Lol

Good grief.

 

[Tzaousios]

it means it is not a euphemism for 'whatever is Catholic'.

Refers to the blind superstition/practices/ignorance of the real dark ages.

Interesting. So, in your estimation, who was not engaging in "blind superstition/practices/ignorance" in the dark ages?

 

[Tzaousios]

Dark Ages denial... is that like holocaust denial?

Lol

Your conspicuous absence as of late has been noted. Is this the best you can come up with?

 

[Erose]

Maybe they were around but just hiding in the dark.

But if everything was dark back then perhaps it would have been better to hide in the light.

 

[MoreCoffee]

All of the USA's founding fathers were secret Jesuits.

 

[Lollerskates]

All of the USA's founding fathers were secret Jesuits.

No, they were Freemasons: most of them.

George Washington, John Jay, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison (more or less,) and Thomas Jefferson (questionable.)

Just getting the facts straight, just in case you weren't just making a silly statement to try to make someone else's arguments look silly by comparison.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by MoreCoffee

All of the USA's founding fathers were secret Jesuits.
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No, they were Freemasons: most of them.

George Washington, John Jay, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison (more or less,) and Thomas Jefferson (questionable.)

Just getting the facts straight, just in case you weren't just making a silly statement to try to make someone else's arguments look silly by comparison.

Thanks for that info.
I found this about them doing a google search:

Global Insights


Now, what about the Founding Fathers of the United States?
Something like 98% of the Founding Fathers of the United States were MASONS.
Their main religious affiliation was UNITARIAN.

The rest were either Catholic or Church of England. If you will look at the Masonic rolls of Boston (MA), New York (NY), Philadelphia (PA), Richmond (VA) and a dozen other cities lining the east coast, it reads like a Who’s Who in American History.
Many of the historical figures who came to help The Colonies in their break from England (e.g. Lafayette from France and Polaski from Poland) were also Masons. In fact, many of the officers who were fighting on the British side were also Masons. Masons, at that time, were DEISTS. A deist is one who believes that a God created the world but that same God doesn’t interfere with it. Most Christians are theists. A theist sees God interfering with or can interfere with what’s happening in the world. (This isn’t any different than the Pagans who believed that the gods interfered with the lives of humans.)
In other words, the Founding Fathers of this country saw that what happens here was up to them. It wasn’t God’s will that The Colonies break away from England. It wasn’t God’s will that there be a United States of America. Nor was Manifest Destiny God’s will. It wasn’t God’s will that the United States eventually become a world power.....................

http://www.christianforums.com/t7594514-4/
Freemasonry, Illuminati NWO

Okay, touchy subject here with a lot of people. The Lord has taught me quite a bit about this and how all of these "societies" play a role in the new world order (the order that the 'man of sin' rises out of).

H.A.A.R.P
Illuminati
Free Masons
Skull and bones
Bohemian Grove

All have one thing in common: a tool used by satan to bring about world deception and give rise to the man of sin. satan will use "lying signs and wonders" to deceive. H.A.A.R.P could be part of that (speculation on my part).
Have you ever looked at the back of your dollar bill? Notice the pyramid with the capstone with an all-seeing-eye? Pagan symbols that can be traced as far back as ancient Egypt are seen on our money and in our nation's capitol.

Our "Washington Monument" is nothing more than an Egyptian Obelisk, used to represent the sun god "ra".... and these obelisks can be found all over the world. We pass over these illuminati "finger prints" in our every day life because we've become so accustomed to seeing them, we never question what it means!

Aliens are promoted by the NWO as "ascended masters" who will take the world into an age of enlightenment. The name ILLUMINATI means: "The enlightened ones". These "aliens" are not aliens, but are demons and fallen angels used by the satan to deceive the world. All new age religion is founded on satanic illuminati/new world order thinking: that man will "ascend into a higher consciousness" via the help of our friendly "alien" brothers! Lies, lies..... the world will swallow this lie, "The Lord sends them (the world/the lost) a strong delusion that they would believe the lie."

If you have members of Masons and/or Illuminati in your church home or in your family, please pray for them that the Lord would open their eyes to the heresy of this and ask that the Lord lead them out of darkness. Pray for the every day American who walks by illuminati symbols each day, without thinking twice about it and asking "why" Or "What is this doing on my money?"

In the Capitol Building in Washington, D.C., the Mayan calendar is portrayed by stone images around the circumference of the building and at the very top is a "mural" of George Washington, surrounded by beings of enlightenment and it says, "The Apotheosis of Washington". I know because I live an hour away from D.C. and have seen this for myself. The "Apotheosis of Washington" represents Washington ascending into enlightenment. Enlightenment into what?

The Masons and illuminati have many influences in society and are "hidden in plain sight". Just Google it and see for yourself how evil this truly is. As Christians, we trust the Lord, not fretting when evil men try to carry out their evil agendas, because the Lord is in control and wins in the end!

SIDE NOTE: We are not to focus on these people or their agendas, we are to "fix" our eyes on Jesus, however, we are also urged by Paul not to be "unaware of satan's devices/tactics"... be shrewd as a snake but as innocent as a lamb Jesus said!

Just passing on this information to you all.

May the Lord bless you.
Shulamite

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[Rick Otto]

Interesting. So, in your estimation, who was not engaging in "blind superstition/practices/ignorance" in the dark ages?

You.

 

[Rick Otto]

All of the USA's founding fathers were secret Jesuits.

The funny thing here is you're right in a most abstract and general way, in that the cabal Albert Pike started in masonry, was in league with Giuseppe Mazzini.