America Mystery Babylon

[n2thelight]

Oh brother! Not the "God chose America" routine....

Oh,but He did,we are Israel...Rebellous as we've always been.....

 

[ebedmelech]

Oh,but He did,we are Israel...Rebellous as we've always been.....

NOT EVEN!

The only time God CHOSE a nation...it was Israel...after Christ...the gospel goes to all nations!

The ONLY CHOSEN NATION now is the church...A HOLY NATION...through OUR LORD JEUS CHRIST!

When you get that...you'll understand!

 

[n2thelight]

NOT EVEN!

The only time God CHOSE a nation...it was Israel...after Christ...the gospel goes to all nations!

The ONLY CHOSEN NATION now is the church...A HOLY NATION...through OUR LORD JEUS CHRIST!

When you get that...you'll understand!

Israel is the Church,always has been.........The nation in the middle east today,consist only of Judah,when one figuares out where the other 10 tribes went to,eye's will be open...........

The two sticks have yet to be joined back together as scripture says they will............

 

[interpreter]

Ummm, the mountains are heads and kings, and 5 of the heads/mountains/kings have fallen...what about that?

Rev 17:
9 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated;
10
they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.

From the series: The Identification Of Babylon The Harlot In The Book Of Revelation PREVIOUS PAGE


Chapter 4: The Evidence For Jerusalem As The Harlot


The case for identifying Jerusalem as the intended referent for the harlot image in Revelation proceeds on several fronts. Some are related to internal evidence throughout the Apocalypse, others involve the background of the rest of Scripture and general thematic emphases of biblical prophecy. But when taken together, I am persuaded that these lines of argument point in one primary direction, as we will see in the following evaluation of the evidence.
Common Objections

The first step in examining the Jerusalem case, if we are to have a fair hearing of the evidence, is to consider the main objections that are offered by opponents to the this view. Of course, the most common is the contention that the Apocalypse was written after A.D. 70 and could therefore not be concerned with a prophecy of the fall of Jerusalem. This objection has been thoroughly analyzed in chapter three above, and the arguments related to such need not be repeated here. There are however a few others that warrant deliberation.

The City on Seven Hills

Advocates of the Rome view have regularly argued that strong, if not conclusive support for their interpretation can be found in Rev 17:9 which describes the “seven hills/mountains” (eJpta[SIZE=+1][/SIZE] o[rh) on which the woman sits. It is beyond dispute that Rome was very commonly called the “city on seven hills” because of its topography.21 A number of references to this in ancient literature could be cited, including, for example, Virgil,22 Horace,23 and Cicero.24 Understandably then, many commentators see this verse as a clear indicator that John is speaking of Rome and doing so in the common language of the day.25 Certainly, it cannot be denied that this is a very significant argument for the Rome view. However, this line of reasoning is not without its problems, and I believe there may be a more suitable understanding of this verse, one that seems to have been largely overlooked by most writers.

It could be added, as Beale observes, that every other occurrence of o[ra in Revelation refers to a mountain, not a “hill,” and this may caution us further against viewing 17:9 as a reference to the “hills” of Rome.27 Certainly, the term can go either way lexically, but within the context of this book, a departure from the “mountain” image evoked elsewhere would be unexpected, and should probably be avoided in our translation if possible. A more likely connection is the association of mountains with the symbolism of power and kings/kingdoms that is to be found in the Old Testament and other Jewish works.28 “Seven,” of course, is often symbolic of completion or perfection, and thus it may be that the seven mountains are best understood from a Jewish mindset as a symbol of completeness of authority, or fullness of royal power.29 Still, in harmony with this imagery there is background material to be considered here that may very well give us insight into which royal power we are dealing with.

The seven heads of the beast also represent 7 kings/kingdoms that have conquered Jerusalem. Pagan Rome was the sixth head. Islamic conquerors are the seventh head, which trampled Jerusalem underfoot for 1260 years as prophesied. Now Muslims want to rule Jerusalem again, and are hell-bent on fighting the Battle of Ar Mageddon which began on 9/11 when the Euphrates was dry.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The seven heads of the beast also represent 7 kings/kingdoms that have conquered Jerusalem. Pagan Rome was the sixth head. Islamic conquerors are the seventh head, which trampled Jerusalem underfoot for 1260 years as prophesied.

Now Muslims want to rule Jerusalem again, and are hell-bent on fighting the Battle of Ar Mageddon which began on 9/11 when the Euphrates was dry.

Do the Muslims even have a standing leader today?

Ezekiel 38:22
"And I judged him in pestilence and in blood and in downpour overflowing and Stones of Hail, Fire and Sulphur I shall rain on him and on troops of him and on many peoples many who with him.
[Revelation 16:21 and 20:9]

 

[John Diomitron]

America is NOT Babylon, regardless of how often people want to make us think that it is.

Maybe those people who think that America is Babylon, should move to another country.

That brings up another point - What country would be suitable (conservative) enough to move to?

Regarding your request for people to move away from America, the LORD pleads for His people who live in this end-time Babylon, the Lady of Kingdoms, to leave:

Jeremiah 50:8 (NKJV) - "8 “Move from the midst of Babylon, Go out of the land of the Chaldeans; And be like the rams before the flocks."

Jeremiah 51:6 (NKJV) - "Flee from the midst of Babylon, And every one save his life! Do not be cut off in her iniquity, For this is the time of the Lord’s vengeance; He shall recompense her.

Jeremiah 51:45 (NKJV) - "45 “My people, go out of the midst of her! And let everyone deliver himself from the fierce anger of the LORD."

Revelation 18:4 (NKJV) - "4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues."

I can say that no matter how often people deny America being the end-time Babylon doesn't make their denial become true.

America, the Lady of Kingdoms, IS end-time Babylon.

E pluribus unum, "Out of many, one", "...out of many peoples, races, religions, languages, and ancestries has emerged a single people and nation—illustrating the concept of the melting pot." (REF: Wikipedia)

Revelation 17:15 (NKJV) - "15 Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues."

Jeremiah 51:45 (NKJV) - "44 I will punish Bel in Babylon, And I will bring out of his mouth what he has swallowed; And the nations shall not stream to him anymore. Yes, the wall of Babylon shall fall."

Isaiah 47:5 (NKJV) - "5 “Sit in silence, and go into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans; For you shall no longer be called The Lady of Kingdoms."

 

[232Gem]

the RCC is the mother of harlots, the usa is the daughter of babylon, the globalist bankers are the third part .. Rev 16:19

http://www.christianforums.com/t7821470-7/#post65667279

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

the RCC is the mother of harlots, the usa is the daughter of babylon, the globalist bankers are the third part .. Rev 16:19

http://www.christianforums.com/t7821470-7/#post65667279

So both the Sabbatarian SDA and MJ sects believe that? Who know

http://www.christianforums.com/t4249495/
harlot of Babylon and her harlot daughters

Originally Posted by damo73

Does the seventh day adventist church teach that the catholic church is the harlot of Babylon and protestant churches are her harlot daughters and that they the SDA are the one true church.
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[John Diomitron]

"and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies."

Only America fits this description imo

I agree with you that America is that end-time Babylon. Unfortunately, the Word makes it clear that many in her will deny being that end-time Babylon because they feel she is too big to fall. In the end, only a faithful remnant will come out of end-time Babylon.

Isaiah 47:8 (NKJV) - "8 “Therefore hear this now, you who are given to pleasures, Who dwell securely, Who say in your heart, ‘I am, and there is no one else besides me; I shall not sit as a widow, Nor shall I know the loss of children’;

Revelation 18:7 (NKJV) - "In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’

 

[John Diomitron]

America is NOT Babylon, regardless of how often people want to make us think that it is.

Maybe those people who think that America is Babylon, should move to another country.

That brings up another point - What country would be suitable (conservative) enough to move to?

This is a follow on to my first reply to you on this thread. Here is another key verse that clearly shows the LORD pleading for His people to leave...PHYSICALLY...each to "his own country."

Jeremiah 51:9 (NKJV) - "9 We would have healed Babylon, But she is not healed. Forsake her, and let us go everyone to his own country; For her judgment reaches to heaven and is lifted up to the skies."

 

[232Gem]

So both the Sabbatarian SDA and MJ sects believe that? Who know

http://www.christianforums.com/t4249495/
harlot of Babylon and her harlot daughters

I have never been a SDA or a MJ


Articles
Restoring the Two Houses of Israel
by Eddie Chumney

Title Page

Chapter 1 - Who Are the Two Houses of Israel

Chapter 2 - Who is the Church and Who is Israel

Chapter 3 - God's Power Twins--Torah and Grace

Chapter 4 - The Sabbath--Our Rest is in Messiah

Chapter 5 - The 7000 Year Plan of God

Chapter 6 - Yeshua, Our Jewish Messiah

Chapter 7 - Is the Jewish Messiah God

Chapter 8 - Israel--The Fig Tree Blossoms

Chapter 9 - The United Nations-Israel-Arab Peace Process

Chapter 10 - Jerusalem--The City of the Great King

Chapter 11 - The Judgment of the Nations

Chapter 12 - Ephraim and Judah Become One House

Excerpt Chapter 11

THE USA IS MODERN DAY BABYLON
Spiritually (sod/deeper meaning), the USA is the land of Babylon. The word Babylon means "confusion" (Genesis [Bereishit] 11:9). Babylon is a generic term in the Bible that refers to the ways of the adversary (HaSatan) and his kingdom of darkness. The Bible talks about a financial
Babylon, a political Babylon, a religious Babylon and a land of Babylon. Literally (Peshat), the modern land of Babylon is the area of Iran and Iraq. However, today, very few members of the house of Judah (Judaism) and the house of Israel (Christianity) live in ...

Years before reading the above book... the reason that I read the book in the first place was that YAH had strongly impressed upon me to make a website identifying the usa as the daughter of babylon, which I did in 2006 -7...I did a search of select verses with the usa as babylon at that time and found the above book and read it twice

 

[ebedmelech]

Israel is the Church,always has been.........The nation in the middle east today,consist only of Judah,when one figuares out where the other 10 tribes went to,eye's will be open...........

The two sticks have yet to be joined back together as scripture says they will............

No...that's quite incorrect. Isaiah 66:8 dispells that:
8 “Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a land be born in one day? Can a nation be brought forth all at once?

The great error when it comes to this passage...is many think it refers to earthly Israel, when in actuality this is the church being born at Pentecost..."The Israel of God" and the "heavenly Jerusalem".

So no...the nonsense about Mystery Bablylon being America is just nonsensical.

Hebrew 12:22-24:
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels,
23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,
24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

America has certainly turned for the worst...but it never has been a beacon for God many think.

Furthermore Israel was regathered under Ezra and Nehemiah...this idea that 10 tribes are lost is just that...*an idea*.

We're in a New Covenant...Christians are priest of God in case you missed the memo. 1 Peter 2;9, 10.

 

[ebedmelech]

I have never been a SDA or a MJ


Articles
Restoring the Two Houses of Israel
by Eddie Chumney

Title Page

Chapter 1 - Who Are the Two Houses of Israel

Chapter 2 - Who is the Church and Who is Israel

Chapter 3 - God's Power Twins--Torah and Grace

Chapter 4 - The Sabbath--Our Rest is in Messiah

Chapter 5 - The 7000 Year Plan of God

Chapter 6 - Yeshua, Our Jewish Messiah

Chapter 7 - Is the Jewish Messiah God

Chapter 8 - Israel--The Fig Tree Blossoms

Chapter 9 - The United Nations-Israel-Arab Peace Process

Chapter 10 - Jerusalem--The City of the Great King

Chapter 11 - The Judgment of the Nations

Chapter 12 - Ephraim and Judah Become One House

Excerpt Chapter 11

THE USA IS MODERN DAY BABYLON
Spiritually (sod/deeper meaning), the USA is the land of Babylon. The word Babylon means "confusion" (Genesis [Bereishit] 11:9). Babylon is a generic term in the Bible that refers to the ways of the adversary (HaSatan) and his kingdom of darkness. The Bible talks about a financial
Babylon, a political Babylon, a religious Babylon and a land of Babylon. Literally (Peshat), the modern land of Babylon is the area of Iran and Iraq. However, today, very few members of the house of Judah (Judaism) and the house of Israel (Christianity) live in ...

Years before reading the above book... the reason that I read the book in the first place was that YAH had strongly impressed upon me to make a website identifying the usa as the daughter of babylon, which I did in 2006 -7...I did a search of select verses with the usa as babylon at that time and found the above book and read it twice

Follow that if you want...however, you'll come to see this is conjectural nonsense...as things are unfolding.

Why would God tell first century folks about 21st century happenings???

Mr Chumney is way off! There's an Israel God's looking at...but it's made up of Jews and Gentiles in the church.

The name of the city is HEAVENLY Jerusalem...tell Mr. Chumney that...because Jesus ushered in A NEW COVENANT!

Where have you been? He's got *some things* correct but much is also incorrect.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by n2thelight

Israel is the Church,always has been.........The nation in the middle east today,consist only of Judah,when one figuares out where the other 10 tribes went to,eye's will be open...........


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What about the Tribes of Benjamin and Levi? They also comprised the House/Nation of Judah [and those 3 tribes are mentioned in the Jewish/Hebrew book of Revelation].
And how do the Israelites in Israel today know what tribe they belong to.

Just because they practice apostate OC Judaism doesn't mean they belong to the house/nation of Judah.

Reve 7 1.
Y@huwdah = "I will praise Yah" 2. R@'uwben = "He looked on my humliation" 3. Gad = "In raid" 4. 'Asher = "Happy am I" 5. Naphtaliy = "My wrestling" 6. M@nashsheh = "Making me to forget" 7. Shim`own = "He hears me" 8. Leviy = "and obligated me" 9. Yissaskar = "Gave me hire" 10. Z@buwluwn = "a dowry" 11. Yowceph = " he took away my reproach" 12. Binyamiyn = "by Son of His right hand"



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[interpreter]

Wahington DC does not sit on seven hills and many waters. Moscow does, and she was briefly aligned with Hitler the antichrist as prophesied.

 

[232Gem]

Wahington DC does not sit on seven hills and many waters. Moscow does, and she was briefly aligned with Hitler the antichrist as prophesied.

idols of amerika

the statue of liberty

The goddess ishtar(easter) welcoming the world's masses, the tallest idol on the planet having a crown of seven rays promising liberty to all with more than 900 US Military bases on all seven continents

US Parks Service, Frequently asked questions...what do the seven rays on her crown represent...answer: the seven continents

the woman sits on seven landmasses, Mountains (oros)...


Luke 3:5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain(oros)and hill (bounos) shall be brought low

rome is the city of seven (bounos) hills, of which most are not recognizable today...

Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains (oros, landmasses, continents), on which the woman sitteth.

This post is to help others understand, I do not expect a preterist to get IT..

pre-tribbers are confused, but preterism is a cancer that overthrows the faith of some.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by interpreter

Wahington DC does not sit on seven hills and many waters.
Moscow does, and she was briefly aligned with Hitler the antichrist as prophesied.
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More historicist nonsense!

idols of amerika

the statue of liberty

The goddess ishtar(easter) welcoming the world's masses, the tallest idol on the planet having a crown of seven rays promising liberty to all with more than 900 US Military bases on all seven continents

US Parks Service, Frequently asked questions...what do the seven rays on her crown represent...answer: the seven continents

the woman sits on seven landmasses, Mountains (oros)...


Luke 3:5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain(oros)and hill (bounos) shall be brought low

rome is the city of seven (bounos) hills, of which most are not recognizable today...

Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains (oros, landmasses, continents), on which the woman sitteth.

This post is to help others understand, I do not expect a preterist to get IT..

pre-tribbers are confused, but preterism is a cancer that overthrows the faith of some.

I doubt if you will get the apostate Jews of today to get it either.....

In case you are not aware, there are both Partial and Full Preterist, [along with Amills who are in the middle somewhere ]


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[Dave Watchman]

Ummm, the mountains are heads and kings, and 5 of the heads/mountains/kings have fallen...what about that?

Rev 17:
9 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated;
10
they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.

C'mon LLofJ don't quit now, you're almost there. You found the big hint. The other hint is that one of the heads had been wounded but when the sea beast rises, it will have been healed.

One is,and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time?


This requires a generally correct time stamp for the writing of The Book of Revelation because when the angel told this to John one was and the other had not yet come.
First things first: America, Russia, Jerusalem or New York are not Babylon and Barry is not The Antichrist. Babylon is not here yet but She'll be coming around the mountain when She comes.


Mountains and Hills and High Places

Remember when Moses climbed up Mt. Sinai to talk with God. Abraham also took his young son up to the top of Mount Moriah. On top of Mount Moriah today is the Temple Mount, a 37-acre piece of land where the Jewish temple once was. Remember the mount of transfiguration? Jesus took Peter, James, and John and brought them up to an unknown high mountain apart and was transfigured before them. The Father made His Voice heard up there. Remember the high places of the old testament? These were the places that the bad Israelites of old would set up the Asherah poles and worship false gods. These places were sometimes called the hill above the town, as at Ramah (I Samuel) or the seat of the deity. Even the pagans of South America make the trek up the Andes because they think that there are deities up there to be worshiped. Back in the day, temples or shrines were put on mountains high above the ordinary landscape because these places were believed to be God’s dwelling place. King David wrote;

"Lord, who may dwell in your sanctuary? Who may live on your holy hill?" (Psalm 15:1)


Five Have Fallen

These have only fallen, they are not out of business. The term fallen woman was used in the Victorian days to describe a woman who had "lost her innocence", and fallen from the grace of God. She wasn't out of commission, she just became corrupted. Like a fallen women Jesus proved the first "Five" false on the morning of His resurrection. Remember when the angel in Rev.18 cries out with a loud voice “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen"? At the time of his proclamation Babylon will not be out of business yet but will be proven false or corrupt.


The Seven Heads of the Sea Beast


The seven heads are seven mountains and are the seven religious systems we have today:


1. Atheism

2. Paganism

3. Eastern Mysticism

4. Islam

5. Judaism

6. Catholicism

7. Protestantism


When the angel told John "five have fallen" Atheism, Paganism, Eastern Mysticism, Islam and Judaism were proven false by what The Lord did for us in 30 AD. Jesus' resurrection proved that these religious belief systems are false but they are still with us today. At the time of John's writing, Catholicism had just got started and is the "one is". Protestantism began in 1517 with Martin Luther in Germany and is "the other" that had not yet come at the time of John's writing which "must continue a short time".


(This explanation forces Revelation to have been written latter than the preterists want to believe at around 95AD)


Seven Kings

Seven heads are also seven kings. Would religious systems also have subjects like a kingdom would? The word worship is translated from "proskuneo" and also means to kiss the hand, bow down before or to show obedience. People will follow what their religious leaders tell them to do, like subjects will follow what their king tells them to do. Religious systems will command their subjects to perform certain rituals, observe a specific time and on which day to worship or not to worship God at all. People will do these things every week for no other reason than because their religious leaders tell them it is required. Like subjects obedient to their king, people will do whatever their religious authorities tell them to do. While we can't at this time assign an individuals name to each of these seven belief systems, can you think of one person on the planet who is not a subject to one of these seven systems?




Oh Yeah, one more thing.

The Angel's Definition of a Short Time.

To me a "short time" might be five minutes or an hour. I wouldn't call three or five years a "short time". But to an angel, who had been alive long before the dinosaurs and is intending to live billions more years, a "short time" might be 2000 years or less. 2015 - 1517 = 498 years. Is 498 years a "short time" when compared with how long Paganism or Eastern mysticism has been around? Is 498 years a "short time" when compared with the billion or more year life of an angel? If Satan has lived since before the foundation of the universe but only has 1000 years to go, would 1000 years be a "short time"? I guess only he can answer that.

But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his "time is short!”



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Time is short I say, soon there will be no more delay.

 

[232Gem]

YAH returns to His place for two days (He took upon flesh and dwelt among us, Phil 2:6-7), Hosea 6:2 for the offenses of Judah (did not recognize the time of their visitation) and Ephraim (rejecting His Torah, calling it strange)...Hosea 5:15...Peter says that a day is to YHWH is a thousand years and a thousand years, one day...

returns to His place for two days, 2,000 years...Unless those days were shortened no flesh would survive

The Northern Kingdom was exiled in 721 BC...Ezekiel laid on His side for 390 days, a day for a year...Ezekiel 4:4-5 for the house of Israel.. Since they did not repent, the punishment was 7 times...Lev 26:18,21,24,28

390x7 = 2730 years

721 + 2009 = 2730 years, the seventieth week began on 10/9/2009 which was the seventh day of Sukkot...the same day obama was given the nobel peace prize Rev 6:2...then 1260 days later, bho is given Israel's highest honor in Israel, the presidential medal of distinction four days before passover..John 5:43...four days before Passover YESHUA rode into Jerusalem on the foal of a colt to be inspected as the Lamb of God and was put to death...

The year of recompences is fast approaching

Isa 34:8
For it is the day of YAHUWAH'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

1260 + 1290 = YOM TERUAH 2016 Rev 3:3

+ 45 days the 15th day of the eighth month, temple completed. 1 Kings 6:38

 

[ebedmelech]

YAH returns to His place for two days (He took upon flesh and dwelt among us, Phil 2:6-7), Hosea 6:2 for the offenses of Judah (did not recognize the time of their visitation) and Ephraim (rejecting His Torah, calling it strange)...Hosea 5:15...Peter says that a day is to YHWH is a thousand years and a thousand years, one day...

returns to His place for two days, 2,000 years...Unless those days were shortened no flesh would survive

The Northern Kingdom was exiled in 721 BC...Ezekiel laid on His side for 390 days, a day for a year...Ezekiel 4:4-5 for the house of Israel.. Since they did not repent, the punishment was 7 times...Lev 26:18,21,24,28

390x7 = 2730 years

721 + 2009 = 2730 years, the seventieth week began on 10/9/2009 which was the seventh day of Sukkot...the same day obama was given the nobel peace prize Rev 6:2...then 1260 days later, bho is given Israel's highest honor in Israel, the presidential medal of distinction four days before passover..John 5:43...four days before Passover YESHUA rode into Jerusalem on the foal of a colt to be inspected as the Lamb of God and was put to death...

The year of recompences is fast approaching

Isa 34:8
For it is the day of YAHUWAH'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

1260 + 1290 = YOM TERUAH 2016 Rev 3:3

+ 45 days the 15th day of the eighth month, temple completed. 1 Kings 6:38

This is utter nonsense. The apostles DO NOT affirm any of this in their writngs of scripture.

Also using the Hebrew doesn't make this any more relevant.

Jesus IS LORD RIGHT now...and what He will do will be in HIS TIME...not this mysterious stuff you drum up.

There will be NO TEMPLE OF GOD...except the church...PUT THAT DOWN!