Why are SDA so paraoid of Jesuits?

[Lollerskates]

Don't give up. Just laugh it off.
I've met quite a few Jesuits. I have not yet met a militant one. Their older history may be but if so, they seem to have mellowed.

They have, which is why I used the tense "were," as opposed to "are."

 

[MoreCoffee]

Talk about a highly censored post! I guess military talk can be a bit risque.

The Jesuits have their own web site; I suspect it may be a good primary source for information about them. It isn't even in a secret location, just type jesuits.org and you'll find it.

Welcome to the Society of Jesus in the United States

 

[Rhamiel]

they were not "militant"
they were setting up schools and preaching

that is how Protestantism was slowed down
not military
preaching, teachings, getting rid of corruption

 

[Shiny Gospel Shoes]

they were not "militant"...

That is ignorance [willingly or no] of history and of the recorded facts thereof:

Let us look first at the Roman Catholic sources,

"The Society of Jesus is a religious order founded by Saint Ignatius Loyola. Designated by him "The Company of Jesus" to indicate its true leader and its soldier spirit, the title was Latinized into "Societas Jesu" in the Bull of Paul III approving its formation and the first formula of its Institute ("Regimini militantis ecclesia", 27 Sept., 1540).

... The name "Societas Jesu" had been born by a military order approved and recommended by Pius II in 1450 ...

... As the object of the society was the propagation and strengthening of the Catholic Faith everywhere, the Jesuits naturally endeavored to counteract the spread of Protestanism. They became the main instruments of the Counter-Reformation; the re-conquest of southern and western Germany and Austria for the Church, and the preservation of the Catholic faith in France and other countries were due chiefly to their exertions. ...

...The professed are all priests, who make, besides the three usual solemn vows of religion, a fourth, of special obedience to the pope in the matter of missions, undertaking to go wherever they are sent, without even requiring money for the journey. ..." - www.newadvent.org/cathen/14081a.htm

"... advance guard of the Church ..." -
www.newadvent.org/cathen/04437a.htm

"“God’s Marines” called to serve ... The members are called Jesuits, and are also known colloquially as “God’s Marines” and as “The Company,” these being references to founder Ignatius of Loyola’s military background ... " - [Link]

"... They have sometimes been known as "God's soldiers," after being founded by St. Ignatius of Loyola in 1534. ..." [Link]

"... "Jesuits are called 'God's Marines' for a reason. They are the Special Forces of the Catholic Church." ..." - [Link], as quote by an ex-marine, so when he says, "Special Forces", it means militarily.
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They are also called the "Storm Troopers" and "Shock Troopers" of the Papal See. Google it.

They have "Generals" and "Superior Generals".

"... After the election of Fr. Adolfo Nicolás as new Father General ..." - [Link]

"... he was elected Superior General of the Society of Jesus ..." - [Link]
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Then, we can consider the various Inquisitions... which were not 'rehabilitation' programs for the 'under-privileged, and under- educated'...

[As a PS to this OP, A Seventh-day Adventist does not fear any Jesuit. We rather, "Fear God..." [Revelation 14:7] ... The LORD is on my side; I will not fear: what can man do unto me? Psalms 118:6; So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me. Hebrews 13:6 ... Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us? Isaiah 29:15; Then Go read Psalms 2; "He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision." Psalms 2:4; "Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure." Psalms 2:5]

We are aware of what they are doing, as we have eyes that they have not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sM4vvH_UIg

 

[MoreCoffee]

Shiny Gospel Shoes, your post is the embodiment of this thread's thesis.

 

[Targaryen]

 

[MoreCoffee]

It is kind of amusing to watch a thesis being fleshed out by somebody who is trying to refute it, or something ...

 

[Targaryen]

Yes, but then I see the thesis and then the video. And well the guy in the video had a message on the Pope's uneasiness towars fundementalism, which this guy in the video mistook for Francis declaring a "war on fundamentalists."

I have a hard time taking that kind of theory or thesis seriously.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes, but then I see the thesis and then the video. And well the guy in the video had a message on the Pope's uneasiness towars fundementalism, which this guy in the video mistook for Francis declaring a "war on fundamentalists."

I have a hard time taking that kind of theory or thesis seriously.

The web site for the chap on the video clip has a "book store" and it sells Ellen White books - mostly the kind that SDAs give away to folk who haven't asked for them. I reckon that tells a story in itself

 

[Rick Otto]

The Jesuits have their own web site; I suspect it may be a good primary source for information about them. It isn't even in a secret location, just type jesuits.org and you'll find it.

Welcome to the Society of Jesus in the United States

That proves they have no secrets . Case closed.

Such is the depth of your thought on the matter.

 

[Rick Otto]

they were not "militant"
they were setting up schools and preaching

that is how Protestantism was slowed down
not military
preaching, teachings, getting rid of corruption

Rhami,... back up, ...away from a focus on the nice guys who make up the largest part of this and other organizations like the masons, to where you can see the tiny few who have taken behind-the-scenes control.

NWO globalism isn't the goal of the obedient soldiers. They are busy doing the hard work of creating a good PR presence in the places they want to have political influence.

Counter-reformation didn't depend solely upon winning the hearts and minds of the simple masses with sound doctrine and superior social charity.

Jesuit political intrigue is no myth.

 

[Targaryen]

Rhami,... back up, ...away from a focus on the nice guys who make up the largest part of this and other organizations like the masons, to where you can see the tiny few who have taken behind-the-scenes control.

NWO globalism isn't the goal of the obedient soldiers. They are busy doing the hard work of creating a good PR presence in the places they want to have political influence.

Counter-reformation didn't depend solely upon winning the hearts and minds of the simple masses with sound doctrine and superior social charity.

Jesuit political intrigue is no myth.

Based on what exactly?

 

[squint]

Jesuit political intrigue is no myth.

Anyone who has watched Game of Thrones or Vikings knows how old that intrigue is...

On a realistic scale though, yes, the RCC and just about every other religious organization seeks to get their hooks into .gov one way or another.

God forbid that Jerry Falwell and his 'religious right' ilk would have penetrated any further than they did or do.

Separation of church and state is A DIVINELY ORDAINED separation.

The worst curse for us would be the realignment of the RCC with .gov. I can't imagine how much better a high tech inquisition would go for them.

 

[Targaryen]

Anyone who has watched Game of Thrones or Vikings knows how old that intrigue is...

On a realistic scale though, yes, the RCC and just about every other religious organization seeks to get their hooks into .gov one way or another.

God forbid that Jerry Falwell and his 'religious right' ilk would have penetrated any further than they did or do.

Separation of church and state is A DIVINELY ORDAINED separation.

The worst curse for us would be the realignment of the RCC with .gov. I can't imagine how much better a high tech inquisition would go for them.

True enough but should we as the church, in non-partisan lines at any rate, not be active in the political process?

 

[squint]

True enough but should we as the church, in non-partisan lines at any rate, not be active in the political process?

I think we as believers all know quite well that the ethical legal/governmental systems that are currently in place are openly corrupt.

But to replace them, or in effect, to go back to the coordinated two head positions of the RCC and state is an even worse idea.

Continual Reformation is a GREAT idea both religiously and politically.

s

 

[Targaryen]

I think we as believers all know quite well that the ethical legal/governmental systems that are currently in place are openly corrupt.

But to replace them, or in effect, to go back to the coordinated two head positions of the RCC and state is an even worse idea.

Continual Reformation is a GREAT idea both religiously and politically.

s

Corruption in the political or even religious system is not a new thing though Squint. I'd dare say you could find it pre-Christianity as much as you can find it in this day and age.

 

[Albion]

Jesuit political intrigue is no myth.

Of course it is not.

The fond idea that the Jesuits were expelled from European country after country--and Pope John Paul II went so far as to tell them to get out of politics in our own day--simply because they preached and build schools is laughable. Some notions that get posted here on CF we're inclined to call ridiculous, but this one is actually laugh-provoking.

 

[MoreCoffee]

... ummm ....

 

[squint]

Corruption in the political or even religious system is not a new thing though Squint. I'd dare say you could find it pre-Christianity as much as you can find it in this day and age.

It's only a question of how much we're willing to tolerate.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Corruption is not always in other people is it?