Wouldn't gender equality be a positive thing for all?

[mkgal1]

That sounds a lot like blurring the gender lines even further and taking away differences.


Please give some examples.

Sure....right here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7832309/ in the OP.

 

[Avniel]

According to that......yes.

Have you heard the stories of young high school gals that had gone away to visit their aunt out of town for a year? Just because things weren't out in the open where everyone knew....doesn't mean things didn't happen.

What about the time that there was no transportation and it was to dangerous to travel that far....what did they do then?

 

[mkgal1]

What about the time that there was no transportation and it was to dangerous to travel that far....what did they do then?

I'm pretty sure there's always been some mode of transportation. As far as I know....horses have been around for quite a while (for example).

 

[Avniel]

Sure....right here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7832309/ in the OP.

Still sounds like you are asking for the blurring of gender lines. I don't see how that isn't what you are asking for. In one sense you bring age old gender identified stimuli like sports(which a ton of my friends love and a ton of my friends couldn't careless and nooooo one would say they are anything less but real men) it can be very confusing. Now if you are stating that men are identified as sports watchers, which is so 1970s and I don't even think that's a thing but for argument sake lets say it is.

What's wrong with recognizing the tradition of being a fan of a certain team, enjoying watching a certain sport, bonding with friends and often times fathers? Is the enjoyment of a male tradition of being a sports fan threatening or harmful to people? How does this affect society? Is gender related traditions now a threat to equality? Or is it wrong that some guys aren't friends with other guys that don't like the same sport?

 

[Avniel]

I'm pretty sure there's always been some mode of transportation. As far as I know....horses have been around for quite a while (for example).

So you believe that teen pregnancy is lower today then when people traveled on horses????? I am just asking because you said in history and that is a very long time when we are talking about america.

 

[ImaginaryDay]

That sounds a lot like blurring the gender lines even further and taking away differences.


Please give some examples.

Sure....right here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7832309/ in the OP.

Your OP has been rebutted a few times now and you've still to respond seriously to any answers to the contrary.

 

[ImaginaryDay]

What's wrong with recognizing the tradition of being a fan of a certain team, enjoying watching a certain sport, bonding with friends and often times fathers? Is the enjoyment of a male tradition of being a sports fan threatening or harmful to people? How does this affect society? Is gender related traditions now a threat to equality? Or is it wrong that some guys aren't friends with other guys that don't like the same sport?

If I were to believe what I'm reading, yes.

 

[mkgal1]

So you believe that teen pregnancy is lower today then when people traveled on horses????? I am just asking because you said in history and that is a very long time when we are talking about america.

The article said, "historic low". That's not from any research I've done.

 

[Avniel]

If I were to believe what I'm reading, yes.

I'm not trying to start anything but I had the courage to put my thoughts up there I don't mind you disagreeing with me but please be mature enough not to insult my thoughts. We can have a good conversation or a nasty one it's entirely on you. I didn't disrespect you please don't disrespect me.


How does the tradition of men bonding of sports affect equality?

If that is the case then traditions like black americans jumping over the broom a slave tradition is anti-equality because it is a tradition recognized with the black culture.....that's illogical. Guys who take up the tradition of watching sports with their children or their friends even their spouse has no affect on equality.

 

[Avniel]

The article said, "historic low". That's not from any research I've done.

So you don't know if it's the lowest since 1970, lowest since america was founded or lower since america was colonized?

 

[ImaginaryDay]

I'm not trying to start anything but I had the courage to put my thoughts up there I don't mind you disagreeing with me but please be mature enough not to insult my thoughts. We can have a good conversation or a nasty one it's entirely on you. I didn't disrespect you please don't disrespect me.

Avniel, I am not disagreeing with you. When I said "from what I have been reading..." it was in regard to the part that I put in bold when I quoted you. You asked "Is gender related traditions now a threat to equality". That's what I was responding to because (from some of the responses in the thread) some would have us believe that. I don't, and I've challenged that throughout the thread. I'm as interested in straight answers to the OP as you.

Just wanted to clarify that.

 

[tall73]

I'm not trying to start anything but I had the courage to put my thoughts up there I don't mind you disagreeing with me but please be mature enough not to insult my thoughts. We can have a good conversation or a nasty one it's entirely on you. I didn't disrespect you please don't disrespect me.

I could be wrong, but I don't think he was disagreeing with you. He was disagreeing with the OP.


Edit to add:
Ah I see he just replied himself.

 

[mkgal1]

Your OP has been rebutted a few times now and you've still to respond seriously to any answers to the contrary.

Well.....that's one opinion.

Did you think I was responding humorously? I've been serious in my responses.

 

[Hetta]

I don't agree that the OP has been rebutted. There is nothing 'false' about equality.

 

[Hetta]

So you believe that teen pregnancy is lower today then when people traveled on horses????? I am just asking because you said in history and that is a very long time when we are talking about america.

I think that probably a lot of things have changed since we traveled on horses. And thank God that they have.

 

[Hetta]

Actually some of us would say it works really, really well for both if that "tradition" comes from Scriptural roles for genders, regardless of what century it is in.

Young women being busy at home? It works for men, children, and often the young women in question.

Does it mean all women have to be? No. And certainly there are situations where it would not make sense to be or even would not be possible.

But The Bible still has that the older women are to teach the younger women that for a reason.

Women are always busy at home - ime. However, she's no longer pinned to the house any more from the perspective that this is all she can achieve in her life.

I would never teach my daughters solely that they should be busy at home, I would teach both genders that. If you think my sons aren't doing their own laundry, helping to clean the house, and cooking meals, you'd be mistaken. We don't have women waiting on men in my home. We all serve each other. Which is biblical.

 

[Hetta]

It's ridiculous to expect everything to be the same as it was when time began. My goodness. Why don't people just cut off the internet, put up their cell phones, stop watching tv, sell their car and every possession and go live in a cave? That would be how it was when time began.

 

[Avniel]

Avniel, I am not disagreeing with you. When I said "from what I have been reading..." it was in regard to the part that I put in bold when I quoted you. You asked "Is gender related traditions now a threat to equality". That's what I was responding to because (from some of the responses in the thread) some would have us believe that. I don't, and I've challenged that throughout the thread. I'm as interested in straight answers to the OP as you.

Just wanted to clarify that.

Oh sorry I am just accustomed to certain responses directed towards me sorry for being a little edgy I have just decided to start posting regularly again.

 

[Avniel]

I think that probably a lot of things have changed since we traveled on horses. And thank God that they have.

My statement was regarding the fact that MK stated teen pregnancy is lower then it has ever been in history a little far fetched if you ask me. It had nothing to do with changes other then that.

 

[Avniel]

I don't agree that the OP has been rebutted. There is nothing 'false' about equality.

Yes when that equality is the denial that differences exist and states that we are all the same which is not true. Their are differences due to the fact that their are differences in experiences, differences in physical make up....ect.

Now if we are talking about equal protection and due process, voting rights, equal pay......those sort of civil rights then I will support anybody who is fighting for that. However those fighting so that differences are ignored and not celebrated I am not part of that movement.