Wouldn't gender equality be a positive thing for all?

[mkgal1]

I did refer to the OP but that sort of went nowhere.

It took a long time to get there, though :/

 

[Avniel]

Teen pregnancy rate, like the crime rate, is falling. I have no problem with the divorce rate but I understand that is arguable. Single parenthood, through wars, diseases, and social factors, has been an issue since forever. Access to information has never been easier. Education rates continue to rise.

No, society isn't perfect, but do you seriously think people were better off at any other time in history? When exactly?

Falling yet and still you can't say it's better with more crime, more teen pregnancy, more divorce, higher drug use, STDs rates and people are way more immoral.

Well for my community I will say no there was a time better for my people.

 

[Avniel]

No one is advocating doing away with the differences between men and women. No one is advocating creating a genderless society. People are advocating doing away with the gender stereotypes and resulting prejudices. Gender stereotypes, like racial stereotypes, do nothing but limit ourselves and our understanding of others. There is no "typical" anything, and the assumption that physical aspects of a person translate to personality traits is illogical.

There is a difference between I don't want to be judge based on my race or gender then my race/gender makes my experience and me different. I am a black man I have a different history, a different American experience. Now can I say a good deal of black attorneys and other legal professionals have had similar experiences that shapes their reactions and thoughts? Of course physical characteristics do shape who we are. A man's experience during pregnancy and delivery is different then a man's is there a "typical" and an "abnormal" gender specific experience.

To take that away is to take away their difference. I'm black I enjoy being black I enjoy my history, my culture, the different black foods, the style, the music, the barbershop, the basketball courts celebrate that don't deny the existence. Color me human is the most racist thing I ever saw, "let's pretend when you see me you don't see black."

I wish more women looked at being a woman as a strength instead of something they want society to forget.

Men and women are different....physically and experience wise.

 

[Lollerskates]

There is a difference between I don't want to be judge based on my race or gender then my race/gender makes my experience and me different. I am a black man I have a different history, a different American experience. Now can I say a good deal of black attorneys and other legal professionals have had similar experiences that shapes their reactions and thoughts? Of course physical characteristics do shape who we are. A man's experience during pregnancy and delivery is different then a man's is there a "typical" and an "abnormal" gender specific experience.

To take that away is to take away their difference. I'm black I enjoy being black I enjoy my history, my culture, the different black foods, the style, the music, the barbershop, the basketball courts celebrate that don't deny the existence. Color me human is the most racist thing I ever saw, "let's pretend when you see me you don't see black."

I wish more women looked at being a woman as a strength instead of something they want society to forget.

Men and women are different....physically and experience wise.

Careful, lest you be called a misogynist.

 

[Hetta]

Falling yet and still you can't say it's better with more crime, more teen pregnancy, more divorce, higher drug use, STDs rates and people are way more immoral.

If the teen pregnancy rate is falling there can't be "more" teen pregnancy.

Immorality isn't against the law and there are no stats to prove "more immoral". It's just opinion.

 

[Hetta]

My point is the the opposite is often true. Those who are more 'traditional' are often looked at with more fear than those who are "slightly different".

I'm not afraid of the traditional. I just think it's very self serving for the men to embrace 'tradition' because that works really, really well for them. I find the clinging to tradition rather quaint and amusing more than anything else. So long as it's not like on another thread I saw on CF the other day where a male poster told a female poster to be silent (as the Bible tells her to be)! Because that's where 'tradition' actually takes people if they follow it all the way. I don't find that funny. I think it's sad and, yes, it's a scary direction. I'm also sorry for the women in those situations where they are kept under 'control' by some patriarchal fantasist who thinks it's still the 1400s.

 

[mkgal1]

To take that away is to take away their difference

I'm just going to continue on repeat:

What's being advocated is to allow for more differences to be accepted (more variety...more diversity)---*not* take them away.

 

[Lollerskates]

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[mkgal1]

loller.....you keep deleting your posts What did you say?

 

[Lollerskates]

loller.....you keep deleting your posts What did you say?

Honestly I dunno what is happening. I have not intentionally deleted my posts.

 

[mkgal1]

Honestly I dunno what is happening. I have not intentionally deleted my posts.

Nothing perks up my curiosity more than that.

 

[tall73]

I'm not afraid of the traditional. I just think it's very self serving for the men to embrace 'tradition' because that works really, really well for them. I find the clinging to tradition rather quaint and amusing more than anything else. So long as it's not like on another thread I saw on CF the other day where a male poster told a female poster to be silent (as the Bible tells her to be)! Because that's where 'tradition' actually takes people if they follow it all the way. I don't find that funny. I think it's sad and, yes, it's a scary direction. I'm also sorry for the women in those situations where they are kept under 'control' by some patriarchal fantasist who thinks it's still the 1400s.

Actually some of us would say it works really, really well for both if that "tradition" comes from Scriptural roles for genders, regardless of what century it is in.

Young women being busy at home? It works for men, children, and often the young women in question.

Does it mean all women have to be? No. And certainly there are situations where it would not make sense to be or even would not be possible.

But The Bible still has that the older women are to teach the younger women that for a reason.

 

[Avniel]

If the teen pregnancy rate is falling there can't be "more" teen pregnancy.

Immorality isn't against the law and there are no stats to prove "more immoral". It's just opinion.

Certainly teen pregnancy could be "more" if you are comparing those statistics with statistics in the past that were lower. Clearly there was a peak and now it is falling however that doesn't mean the current rate is the lowest it has ever been.


Certainly immorality is subjective but as christians our morals should be some what similar.

 

[Avniel]

I'm just going to continue on repeat:

What's being advocated is to allow for more differences to be accepted (more variety...more diversity)---*not* take them away.

Well it is statements like this


"it seems like knocking down the typical stereotypes (like the narrow definitions of what it means to be "feminine" and "masculine") would be a *good* thing---a liberating thing---that would offer *more* choices....more ability to "color outside the lines" so to speak and still be accepted. "

Me being a black man and enjoying who I am is liberating. Yes, I do have struggles based on my race alone some of those situations are immoral and unjust. However I wouldn't change the definition of being black, my blackness is a part of who I am. It's not a weakness it's a strength.....are there negatives associated with that part of my identity.......of course, some are culturally facts some are not so much. To take that definition of what it means to be black in america is taking a part of my identity away. The truth is always liberating to cover up the fact that being a man or a woman in a society is a different stimuli is not.

I will never know how it feels to pregnant and in law school......are there women that do? Yes, does that affect their outlook on law school..........it has to. You can not deny that.

Accepting that we are all different as individuals in a certain profession or lack of, education, race, gender, nationality and as families. Understanding that there is no superiority and we are all created equally is the most important key. After that lets learn from each others differences and stimuli and not close our eyes like we are all the same. That is just as bad as those that think they are superior.

 

[mkgal1]

It looks like teen pregnancy has reached a "historic low" according to this:

 

[Avniel]

It looks like teen pregnancy has reached a "historic low" according to this:

So what you are saying to me is that teen pregnancy is the lowest it has ever been in history??????????

 

[mkgal1]

Well it is statements like this


"it seems like knocking down the typical stereotypes (like the narrow definitions of what it means to be "feminine" and "masculine") would be a *good* thing---a liberating thing---that would offer *more* choices....more ability to "color outside the lines" so to speak and still be accepted. "

Notice the "more choices" part?

Me being a black man and enjoying who I am is liberating. Yes, I do have struggles based on my race alone some of those situations are immoral and unjust. However I wouldn't change the definition of being black, my blackness is a part of who I am

.....again.....no one is advocating (in fact, it's exactly the opposite) taking *anything* away from what makes a person an individual. It's actually recognizing the differences---and making the circle bigger to make more room.

 

[Avniel]

Notice the "more choices" part?





.....again.....no one is advocating (in fact, it's exactly the opposite) taking *anything* away from what makes a person an individual. It's actually recognizing the differences---and making the circle bigger to make more room.

That sounds a lot like blurring the gender lines even further and taking away differences.


Please give some examples.

 

[mkgal1]

So what you are saying to me is that teen pregnancy is the lowest it has ever been in history??????????

According to that......yes.

Have you heard the stories of young high school gals that had gone away to visit their aunt out of town for a year? Just because things weren't out in the open where everyone knew....doesn't mean things didn't happen.

 

[Avniel]

According to that......yes.

Have you heard the

1970 isn't the start of history