Important Facts about Evolution

[lasthero]

Maybe I'm just missing it, but what's the relevance of the position the wall died in?

 

[crazyforgod1212]

Coelacanth disappeared from the fossil record with the last of the dinosaurs. That was supposedly 65 million years ago. In the early 1900s, evolutionists touted it as the first walking fish, the transition between fish and tetrapods. That is, until 1938 when one was found alive and unable to walk.​

Does the truth hurt?

 

[USincognito]

Maybe I'm just missing it, but what's the relevance of the position the wall died in?

None. Tool seems to think that the whale wound up in the postion it did when it died (I suspect because it's "evidence for The Flood"). It didn't, so that line of discussion is a red herring.

Does the truth hurt?

No, the stupid burned when I read that. Coelacanths were never supposed to have walked.

 

[DogmaHunter]

That's why I post passages, not verses out of context. A simple phrase can be twisted, a complete passage gives context.

No, I didn't mean "out of context". I literally meant that different people interpret these texts in different ways.

No, it means that God is just.

And that your religion is irrelevant.
If you don't need to be a christian (and instead just a nice person) to get into your imaginary paradise, then there's no need for your religion. It's obsolete.

Let's expand on this one for a second...
Is it possible for a christian to end up in hell?
If yes, how? And keep it short without boring bible verses. Just tell me what you believe in a less then 5 sentences.

How can a person living in a remote region untouched by modern civilization who has never heard the word of God be damned for rejecting it?

I'm not talking about people in remote regions (who most likely aren't atheists, btw, but rather are sun or fire worshippers or similar).
I'm talking about atheists like me.

People who heared your myths (along with all the others) and don't find them convincing.

He won't, as these passages demonstrate. He will be judged outside of the law according to his own heart. This takes away the argument from the unsaved that God is unjust because he condemns people who were never offered salvation.

Again, I'm not at all speaking about such people and you know this. Stop pretending that you don't.

That depends on your definition of "good." If you deny the existence of good and evil you can't very well categorize yourself according to those definitions.

When have I ever denied the existence of good and evil?

If good means "Godly,"

It does not.

then certainly atheists are ungodly

Yes, yes.... and if evil means "christian", then certainly christians are evil.

You have to have a standard for good and evil before you can make that distinction. What standard does an atheist use?

Actual reasoned standards. Unlike fundamentalist theists, who have no standards. Obedience to a perceived authority is not a moral standard. That's mere obedience.

Ray Comfort is known for it, but he's only stating the obvious.

No. He is stating black and white nonsense.
He implies, for example, that lying is always bad.
Any person with some minimal thinking skills can easily see how that isi ridiculous. If you disagree, just imagine that you live in Paris in 1943, provide shelter to a jewish family in your basement and the Gestapo asks you if you know if there are any jews hiding anywhere.

Then try repeating that lying is always evil.

Without a mechanism for forgiveness your sins follow you forever

The problem with your vile doctrine is that embedded therein is this thing called "original sin", that humans should be "forgiven" simply for being alive. Then conveniently it provides what it claims is the "only antidote".

That alone is enough for me to reject the doctrine as nonsense.

Having said that, when wrong someone, the way to get forgiveness is to get it from the one you wronged.

If I want forgiveness for stealing X, then I need to get forgiveness from the person from whom I stole X.

Nonsense?

Yes. Ray "banana man" Comfort is like the poster child for nonsense.

Explain to us how the least of your sins will ever be forgiven.

Well....?

This should be good.

Just told you. From the person I wronged. From nobody else.

The qualifier is that there is a difference between those who reject the truth and those who were never offered the truth.

No. There is a difference between being justified in believing something and just being gullible.

Your god, assuming he exists, punishes people for not being gullible.
That is evil.

No man comes to God but through Jesus; no Muslim, no Buddhist, and no atheist. Some will be destroyed. Some will be eternally damned. Some will be cast aside to outer darkness. Will you go to heaven? No chance. Will you go to Hell? Probably.

Do you think I deserve to go to hell?
And before you answer, think about what that means...
Eternal torture. Do you honestly believe that I deserve eternal punishment simply for not buying into your religious stories?

If you answer anything in this post, make it that question.

Only God knows your heart and only God decides with what measure you will be judged. The Scriptures bear out that there are alternatives, but I wouldn't bet my eternal fate on finding a loophole.

Do you feel like you are betting your eternal fate by not being a muslim or a hindu?

The soul of man is designed to be eternal.

So did your soul exist before you were born?

God sent His son to die for your sins.

Punishing a scapegoat is immoral and the opposite of justice.
Not to mention that this is actually pure human sacrifice. I'm not to fond of that either.

You reject His son and call the Creator a "Flying Spaghetti Monster."

I don't reject what I don't believe exists.
You need to acknowledge the existence of X before one can reject or accept X. I don't acknowledge the existence of god. Therefor, I don't reject god. God is a non-issue for me.

Why would God want such a person in His presence?

Why would a god reward gullibility and punish critical thinking?
That's the kind of practice one expects from countries like north korea.

All sin is rebellion. There is no place for rebellion in Heaven.

There's no place for rationality either, by the sound of it.

No, I wish to accurately repeat what the Scriptures say about the subject, not interject my own potentially incorrect assumptions.

It seems to me that you could just state in your own words what your ancient book says without boring me with the actual verses.

But whatever. Just so you know, for future reference, I categorically skip verses in posts. I read the bible multiple times, I know what it says. I also know that many different people interpret that book in many different ways. I discuss things with people, not with books.

So can an atheist get to Heaven? It's probably easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.

You seem to be confused. The "easier for a camel..." thingy was the answer to "can a rich man get to heaven?". Which is ironic, considering the capitalist america in which most fundamentalist christians are found today and their total radical objection to communism and socialism.

So does he go to Hell? Probably, but Hell is a place of destruction as well as eternal torment. He reaps what he sows.

I'll repeat my question: do you honestly believe that I deserve eternal torment simply for not being a christian?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Of the 3d printed skulls no doubt. Isn't technology helpful.

No. You know that off course. You're just bearing false witness.

Isn't Jesus God? By your statement you made it clear of disbelief.

I said "christ and the god of the bible".
Christians speak of "the father, the son and the holy spirit".

Explain how it is different.
How is the sentence of the christians not speaking about 3 entities?

Intellectual honesty is not your strong side it seems.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

There's even a word for it. Whale fall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia How about hundreds? https://www.google.com/images?q=whale+fall&gws_rd=ssl&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ei=X7q8U9bOKOnKsQTp-4GQAQ&ved=0CB8QsAQ

Intact not bones

 

[DogmaHunter]

Like the bible is not truth

It certainly contains a few things that are correct.

But most of it is indeed wrong.

God doesn't exist

Nobody knows. The god of the bible definatly does not exist, that's true. "A god"? Who knows...

However, there isn't a single reason to assume a god exists.

there is no hell

Same as above... who knows?
But there isn't a single reason to assume such a place exists

you are a good person

I try to be. I think most of us try to. Some are more successfull at it then others.

I understand the hypocrisy to not be able to verify that which you object to.

Perhaps you should stop assuming what other people think.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Consistent like humans evolved from Neanderthal;

Who told you that? That's utterly incorrect.

Or are you deliberatly bearing false witness again?

carbon dating is accurate up to 100,000 years

Try 50.000
Other isotopes are used with longer half lives to date older stuff.
Which you off course know as well. Lying for jesus again, I guess.

and every science textbook in schools today portraying proof of evolution because of banana eating moths in Hawaii.

Never heared about this. So I guess it's not every science textbook. More lies. Lies, lies, lies.

 

[USincognito]

Intact not bones

Are you under the impression that those bones lying in the shape of the whale slowly dropped off a floating whale carcass and settled in the shape of the whale 6,000 ft. down?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Key consistent belief phrase "once considered".

Wait... is a "consistent belief" for you a belief that one holds so dogmatically that they hold on to it no matter what - even when shown wrong?

Ok... in that case, I'll happily state that I have no "consistent" beliefs.

Because you know, I actually care about believing as much true things as possible and as little false things as possible.

I'm pretty consistent in that

 

[MuchWiser]

Actually JESUS said "he that is without sin cast the first stone."

That never happened it was a made up story that was added to the bible much later, check it out.

 

[BL2KTN]

That never happened it was a made up story that was added to the bible much later, check it out.

Already told him that in another thread. He's teflon.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

-_- liquid water you mean, seeing as steam can contain the compound water.

. It's called magma water.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

This sounds like one of the fossils from the Messel pit. The didn't settle into quicksand. The settled, as did the many other fossils from that particular dig, in the anaerobic depths of a lake. Mating Turtles Fossilized in the Act

Thanks for sharing this. Because I absolutely was making fun of the speculations made because everyone watched; therefore it's true.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Go back and reread what's been posted about that find. The whale fossilized in position after death. Tectonic activity in the area then folded the strata in which the whale fossil was contained. The strata is consistent all around the fossil.

According to who?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

None. Tool seems to think that the whale wound up in the postion it did when it died (I suspect because it's "evidence for The Flood"). It didn't, so that line of discussion is a red herring. No, the stupid burned when I read that. Coelacanths were never supposed to have walked.

How many years of sediment created the strata surrounding the whale to have perfectly encased it? Without disruption of any fossilized sea scavengers holding it in place and perfect form not allowing the currents and tides move it around?

 

[DogmaHunter]

According to who?

According to the facts.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Who told you that? That's utterly incorrect. Or are you deliberatly bearing false witness again? Try 50.000 Other isotopes are used with longer half lives to date older stuff. Which you off course know as well. Lying for jesus again, I guess. Never heared about this. So I guess it's not every science textbook. More lies. Lies, lies, lies.

Had you understood the conversation you would understand the inconsistency of all those things you claim to be lies, were truths not that far back when science was in its prime. So yes they are evolutions lies.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Are you under the impression that those bones lying in the shape of the whale slowly dropped off a floating whale carcass and settled in the shape of the whale 6,000 ft. down?

No you are.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

That never happened it was a made up story that was added to the bible much later, check it out.

Reading your Gnostic Gospels are we?