Important Facts about Evolution

[MuchWiser]

Whoopee do. You do realize Neanderthal man was merely post flood man?

Neanderthals were the children of Noah and his family? then where did we all come from?
After reading dad's posts I can see where it would help creationists if they keep themselves as ignorant of reality as possible.

 

[BL2KTN]

DNA does NOT go back all that far! Show me the DNA for a fossilized flatworm?

You keep asserting something about a flatworm, but I do not. You can check the DNA for living things going very far back. We fairly recently found soft tissue for dinosaurs (which was an absurd thought until then), and I believe they're working to see if they can extract any remnants of the code for them.

Whoopee do. You do realize Neanderthal man was merely post flood man??

Odd that they found themselves in Europe. I didn't realize that any of Noah's offspring are said to have gone into Europe according to the bible - which is where they would have been required to go in order to meet the Neanderthals, who are now supposedly angels according to the creationist. Neanderthals also had limited speech abilities; are you okay with your half angel-half man Neanderthals being speech impaired?

False. If man changed then why not have some DNA that is the same?? In the present state nature we have DNA. Naturally we should share some with previous men. This is news?

Neanderthals were not the same species, yet we find their DNA is our's. It is proof to those who recognize Neanderthals died out around 20,000 years ago at the latest (and then they would have been isolated to near-extinction since about 70,000 years ago), and who don't believe them to be half-angels, that evolution is real.

For the record, 5'5" is not "very short", it is comparable to the average height of humans today. At the time when Neanderthals lived, they were of similar height or somewhat shorter than the contemporary Cro Magnons.

Agreed. I probably should have clarified "very short in comparison to today".

 

[PsychoSarah]

For the record, 5'5" is not "very short", it is comparable to the average height of humans today. At the time when Neanderthals lived, they were of similar height or somewhat shorter than the contemporary Cro Magnons.

I've heard of some potential skeletons reaching the 6 foot range for Neanderthals, but maybe I am mixing up them and some other bipedal ape.

 

[PsychoSarah]

DNA does NOT go back all that far! Show me the DNA for a fossilized flatworm?

Whoopee do. You do realize Neanderthal man was merely post flood man??

False. If man changed then why not have some DNA that is the same?? In the present state nature we have DNA. Naturally we should share some with previous men. This is news?

Dad, we know Neanderthals ARE NOT a human ancestor thanks to DNA, their DNA is too different from ours for the time period they lived in. Even if we went by the bible it would be obvious they weren't humans, they lived in the wrong places.

 

[Herman Hedning]

I've heard of some potential skeletons reaching the 6 foot range for Neanderthals, but maybe I am mixing up them and some other bipedal ape.

Quite possible. There is a large variability in height among hominins, extinct as well as extant. As a comparison, there are Cro Magnon finds of well over 6'6" in height.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Quite possible. There is a large variability in height among hominids, extinct as well as extant. As a comparison, there are Cro Magnon finds of well over 6'6" in height.

Huh, that must be a reason why some people get iffy on whether or not Cro Magnons were the first "humans". That seems a bit tall. I wonder if it is an isolated regional population?

 

[DogmaHunter]

What would happen if your child or if you had a child come to me a total stranger and offered me a gift; and in return I killed him; not quickly; but slowly and I took every measure to make his/her pain enjoyable to me? Would your demeanour be that of a Jew who has been told the Holocoust was a lie, or that of a African American who was told slavery never existed? If it was my child, there would be no end to the pain I would bring you. But fortunately for you God commands me to forgive you, because "VENGEANCE IS MINE" says The Lord. The bible says one day you will die, and this is true. And you will bow on bended knee before the judge, wether you believe in Him or not. My question for you is how does your concept of how God should act have any weight? God is God and there is nothing you can say that will change it. If I kill someone the law requires me to be judged, and a punishment is handed down, sound familiar? The punishment for refusing to believe in God therefore repenting of your sin is death. Has anyone not died? Seems to me God is true to his word. Only thing is by not choosing God your judgement is eternal life without God and that is Laid out for you in scripture, that you can be saved and go to all the places who don't know what I have told you.

Didn't read your apologetic and senseless analogies.

I asked a pretty straight forward question. There's no need for qualifiers or to "lead me there". Just answer the question in a straightforward manner.

I realise you don't want to, though.

 

[DogmaHunter]

That's for God to judge.
There are verses in Revelation which speak of the ungodly being cast into the lake of fire and consumed; the second death; eternal destruction.
There are also verses which speak about eternal damnation for those who reject the Lord.

As darkness is the absence of light and cold is the absence of heat, evil is the absence of God. Hell is the complete absence of the Lord; the one place in existence where God does not dwell. It was created for the devil and his fallen angels. Those who rebel against God are no different from the angels who rebelled against God. They separate themselves from God during their life and that separation continues after their death. It is they who make the decision where they will spend eternity by their acceptance or rejection of the Lord.

Don't blame God if you end up in Hell. You will have earned it.

Enough with the qualifiers. Just answer the question.

According to your theology, what will happen to an atheist if he dies an atheist?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Non of those religions have an eternal punishment. So that is incorrect.

You never read the Koran, have you?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Non of those religions have an eternal punishment. So that is incorrect.

Actually, all of those religions have denominations which have eternal punishment in their beliefs. In addition, there are Christians who don't believe in eternal punishment, rather they feel that nonbelievers just don't have eternal life after death.

 

[CabVet]

Enough with the qualifiers. Just answer the question.

According to your theology, what will happen to an atheist if he dies an atheist?

Burn in hell.

 

[KWCrazy]

Enough with the qualifiers. Just answer the question.
According to your theology, what will happen to an atheist if he dies an atheist?

I did answer the question.

To better clarify, let's read Romans 2:
5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

So each will be judged according to his own heart, according to the Scriptures. So what of the good atheist. Is there such a thing? Consider that a man is according to his heart, and atheists have no mechanism for forgiveness because they reject Jesus Christ and they don't follow the original covenant of sacrificing unblemished sheep to the Lord.

If you ever stole anything, you're an unforgiven thief.
If you had sex outside of marriage, you're an unforgiven adulterer.
If you ever wished someone was dead, you're an unforgiven murderer.
If you've ever committed blasphemy, you're an unforgiven blasphemer.
If you've ever spoken an untruth, you're an unforgiven liar.
Such is the weight of your sins that you can never be found worthy to enter the kingdom of Heaven. As Jesus said in John 14:6 "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." If you don't have the forgiveness that only Jesus can offer, then the best you can hope for is to be cast into Hell and destroyed, as is mentioned in Revelation 21:8. You can't pretend that you have no knowledge of the law as Paul spoke of in Romans 2. You know the law and you've rejected the law. You were offered salvation and you scoffed at it.

This is what is written in the Scriptures; not that you give merit to the written word of God. This is what the Lord says is the consequence to sin; not what I or any other has made up or contrived.

 

[HitchSlap]

This is what is written in the Scriptures; not that you give merit to the written word of God. This is what the Lord says is the consequence to sin; not what I or any other has made up or contrived.[/COLOR]

No, it's what men wrote and told you the lord said it.

See the difference?

 

[KWCrazy]

No, it's what men wrote and told you the lord said it.

So either they're lying or you are.
From my personal experience, I believe them.
People don't suffer and die to promote a hoax that gains them nothing but poverty, ridicule and persecution for their lifetime. Paul was a Roman citizen and a person of some stature before answering the call of the Lord. I've seen firsthand how the Lord can change a person's life. Sorry, but your words are rendered absolutely meaningless just from my own personal experiences; let alone those of far greater men than I.

 

[Loudmouth]

So each will be judged according to his own heart, according to the Scriptures. So what of the good atheist. Is there such a thing? Consider that a man is according to his heart, and atheists have no mechanism for forgiveness because they reject Jesus Christ and they don't follow the original covenant of sacrificing unblemished sheep to the Lord.

That is not how I define "according to his own heart". I define it as your basic intention, whether it is to harm or help your fellow man, not which deity you worship. I would say that a person with a good heart would find those that they have harmed and ask them for forgiveness. A forgiven theif is one that has asked those he stole from for forgiveness and received it.

What you are describing is adherence to a specific religion, not what is in a person's heart.

 

[Loudmouth]

So either they're lying or you are.
From my personal experience, I believe them.

Either way, you are putting your faith in men.

People don't suffer and die to promote a hoax that gains them nothing but poverty, ridicule and persecution for their lifetime.

Then I would ask why you are not part of the Heaven's Gate cult. They all drank the Kool Aid for their beliefs. That means that they had to be right?

 

[HitchSlap]

So either they're lying or you are.
From my personal experience, I believe them.
People don't suffer and die to promote a hoax that gains them nothing but poverty, ridicule and persecution for their lifetime. Paul was a Roman citizen and a person of some stature before answering the call of the Lord. I've seen firsthand how the Lord can change a person's life. Sorry, but your words are rendered absolutely meaningless just from my own personal experiences; let alone those of far greater men than I.

Maybe not lies, so much as embellishments. But, hey, if you need to believe everything you read, go for it.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Actually, all of those religions have denominations which have eternal punishment in their beliefs. In addition, there are Christians who don't believe in eternal punishment, rather they feel that nonbelievers just don't have eternal life after death.

" Don't be ignorant of Satan's devices. The Word of God leaves no doubt about the existence or nature of hell. With clarity and authority, God has told us everything we need to know about hell, and how to avoid it through the merits of Christ."

Then the King will say to those on His left, "Depart from me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels."...These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. (Matthew 25:41, 46)

If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire, where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched. (Mark 9:43)

And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)

...drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger. And he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. They have no rest day and night. (Revelation 14:10-11)

"According to Jesus, hell is a place of outer darkness (Matthew 22:13) where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 8:12). Hell is a fiery furnace (Matthew 13:42, 50) of unquenchable fires (Mark 9:48-49). Hell is a place of spiritual and bodily destruction (Matthew 10:28) where there are endless torments (Luke 16:23-24). Hell is most certainly a place, a horrific place where agonizing conditions exist."

 

[bhsmte]

" Don't be ignorant of Satan's devices. The Word of God leaves no doubt about the existence or nature of hell. With clarity and authority, God has told us everything we need to know about hell, and how to avoid it through the merits of Christ."

Then the King will say to those on His left, "Depart from me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels."...These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. (Matthew 25:41, 46)

If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire, where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched. (Mark 9:43)

And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)

...drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger. And he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. They have no rest day and night. (Revelation 14:10-11)

"According to Jesus, hell is a place of outer darkness (Matthew 22:13) where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 8:12). Hell is a fiery furnace (Matthew 13:42, 50) of unquenchable fires (Mark 9:48-49). Hell is a place of spiritual and bodily destruction (Matthew 10:28) where there are endless torments (Luke 16:23-24). Hell is most certainly a place, a horrific place where agonizing conditions exist."

Spooky stuff.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

No, it's what men wrote and told you the lord said it. See the difference?

The Lord didn't say that. You did.