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Important Facts about Evolution

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Yes, I understand there are different interpretations of scripture in this regard.

Is it your position that scripture supports a temporary hell, or another place where non-believers would go, or others that God chooses to not offer eternal life?

I am an annihilationist.

God chooses to offer eternal life to those who accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior.

As for everyone else, they're free to live out their natural lifespan here on earth, then they die.

Also, for the people (and they do exist) that claim they believe, just because they are fearful if they say they really don't, will not be offered heaven, how do you think God will view them when they die?

I don't know. I'm not God.

I thought Strathos was an atheist. Or were you Jewish? It's been awhile. Wave:)

Episcopal Christian, all my life. Not planning to change that anytime soon. :clap:
 
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I am an annihilationist.

God chooses to offer eternal life to those who accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior.

As for everyone else, they're free to live out their natural lifespan here on earth, then they die.



I don't know. I'm not God.



Episcopal Christian, all my life. Not planning to change that anytime soon. :clap:

Clear enough, thanks.
 
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Your already religious in your atheism wouldn't you say?

Not particularly. I don't hold onto ideas when evidence shows them to be inaccurate, I have no atheism related traditions, goals, philosophy, or expectations in regards to how I live...
 
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PsychoSarah said:
Not particularly. I don't hold onto ideas when evidence shows them to be inaccurate, I have no atheism related traditions, goals, philosophy, or expectations in regards to how I live...

Great poem.
 
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Vergil10 said:
Do you believe that all the Neanderthals were Nephilim? how do you know for sure the DNA is Nephilim sir?

Because they are the only other species that bread with humans and were the result of fallen angels and humans. So actually there are two genes.
 
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PsychoSarah said:
Unlikely, Neanderthals aren't tall enough.

Angels bred with humans, the result is the Nephilim who bred with humans also. From a biology point of view the dominant gene for height comes from? Help me here.
 
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Angels bred with humans, the result is the Nephilim who bred with humans also. From a biology point of view the dominant gene for height comes from? Help me here.

You don't seem to understand, ok, two big reasons why Neanderthals couldn't be either Nephilim or hybrids of humans and Nephilim.

1. Neanderthals were taller than humans on average at the time, but rarely exceeded 7 feet tall. Nephilim on the other hand were, if we go by the bible, a whopping 14-16 feet tall. Seeing as humans at their shortest still typically exceeded 5 feet (going by Cro Magnons) although there were regional differences, the hybrids of humans and Nephilim should have still been at a minimum 8-9 feet tall, since height on the genetic level is determined with slight favor towards the same sex parent but otherwise roughly equal, and also a matter of eating habits. However, chances are such hybrids would be weaker than normal humans or Nephilim, as human physiology doesn't support being that tall, as is seen with the relatively shorter lifespans of humans who get really tall like that (the person who holds the record for tallest human was 8' 11", and died at the age of 22, though likely would have died even younger in the hunter gatherer societies of the past. Thanks to the shape of our skeletons, humans can't get much taller than 6 feet without having increasingly severe joint and back problems, the strain on our bones too great).

2. More importantly, Neanderthal DNA is too different from human DNA, which is why we now know they weren't a human ancestor. There is even the possibility humans and Neanderthals weren't breeding compatible. Plus, hybrid animals lack a certain sort of structural consistency that we see in pure species, which would easily be seen in Neanderthal skeletons if they really were a hybrid of humans and something else, but their physiology is not suggestive of that.
 
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PsychoSarah said:
You don't seem to understand, ok, two big reasons why Neanderthals couldn't be either Nephilim or hybrids of humans and Nephilim. 1. Neanderthals were taller than humans on average at the time, but rarely exceeded 7 feet tall. Nephilim on the other hand were, if we go by the bible, a whopping 14-16 feet tall. Seeing as humans at their shortest still typically exceeded 5 feet (going by Cro Magnons) although there were regional differences, the hybrids of humans and Nephilim should have still been at a minimum 8-9 feet tall, since height on the genetic level is determined with slight favor towards the same sex parent but otherwise roughly equal, and also a matter of eating habits. However, chances are such hybrids would be weaker than normal humans or Nephilim, as human physiology doesn't support being that tall, as is seen with the relatively shorter lifespans of humans who get really tall like that (the person who holds the record for tallest human was 8' 11", and died at the age of 22, though likely would have died even younger in the hunter gatherer societies of the past. Thanks to the shape of our skeletons, humans can't get much taller than 6 feet without having increasingly severe joint and back problems, the strain on our bones too great). 2. More importantly, Neanderthal DNA is too different from human DNA, which is why we now know they weren't a human ancestor. There is even the possibility humans and Neanderthals weren't breeding compatible. Plus, hybrid animals lack a certain sort of structural consistency that we see in pure species, which would easily be seen in Neanderthal skeletons if they really were a hybrid of humans and something else, but their physiology is not suggestive of that.

I believe the biology aspect, but from a biblical point that would agree with you is Goliath and his brothers; obviously their father was a Nephilim. But when you take into account the first seed; Angel slash Human = Nephilim. A first generation Naphilim would not have all the health issues that may be present in humans.
 
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PsychoSarah said:
You don't seem to understand, ok, two big reasons why Neanderthals couldn't be either Nephilim or hybrids of humans and Nephilim. 1. Neanderthals were taller than humans on average at the time, but rarely exceeded 7 feet tall. Nephilim on the other hand were, if we go by the bible, a whopping 14-16 feet tall. Seeing as humans at their shortest still typically exceeded 5 feet (going by Cro Magnons) although there were regional differences, the hybrids of humans and Nephilim should have still been at a minimum 8-9 feet tall, since height on the genetic level is determined with slight favor towards the same sex parent but otherwise roughly equal, and also a matter of eating habits. However, chances are such hybrids would be weaker than normal humans or Nephilim, as human physiology doesn't support being that tall, as is seen with the relatively shorter lifespans of humans who get really tall like that (the person who holds the record for tallest human was 8' 11", and died at the age of 22, though likely would have died even younger in the hunter gatherer societies of the past. Thanks to the shape of our skeletons, humans can't get much taller than 6 feet without having increasingly severe joint and back problems, the strain on our bones too great). 2. More importantly, Neanderthal DNA is too different from human DNA, which is why we now know they weren't a human ancestor. There is even the possibility humans and Neanderthals weren't breeding compatible. Plus, hybrid animals lack a certain sort of structural consistency that we see in pure species, which would easily be seen in Neanderthal skeletons if they really were a hybrid of humans and something else, but their physiology is not suggestive of that.


Check out this video on YouTube:

Nephilim: TRUE STORY of Satan, Fallen Angels, Giants, Aliens, Hybrids, Elongated Skulls & Nephilim

http://youtu.be/1zz8_MxcnzY
 
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I believe the biology aspect, but from a biblical point that would agree with you is Goliath and his brothers; obviously their father was a Nephilim. But when you take into account the first seed; Angel slash Human = Nephilim. A first generation Naphilim would not have all the health issues that may be present in humans.

That health issue is a structural one, bipedal animals (animals which stand upright and walk on two legs like humans) have limits as to how tall they can be until they collapse like a deck of cards. Why do you think we are so prone to back problems? It isn't just a matter of biology, but a matter of gravity. And I doubt you think that Nephilim were immune to breaking bones.

Also, the second generation, if the Nephilim further bred with humans, would actually be healthier, as they would be shorter. However, considering the tallest human lived in the 20th century and still only lived to be 22 as a direct result of their height putting too much strain on their body, and he didn't have to do the sort of heavy lifting and exercise required to survive in ancient times, I doubt any human/angel hybrid would have lived to reproductive age.
 
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Check out this video on YouTube:

Nephilim: TRUE STORY of Satan, Fallen Angels, Giants, Aliens, Hybrids, Elongated Skulls & Nephilim
I am sorry sir, i am going to need more evidence then a youtube video before i take your Nephilim idea with any sort of seriousness,
 
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toolmanjantzi said:
It's not Neanderthal, it's Nephilim.

Call it whatever you wish, but they looked like the following image and are nothing like the description of nephilim in the bible. For one, they were very short, and likely less intelligent than humans.

HITH-Neanderthal.jpg


Angels bred with humans, the result is the Nephilim who bred with humans also. From a biology point of view the dominant gene for height comes from? Help me here.

Bible says nephilim were over twelve feet tall. Most neanderthals were around 5'5".

The bible talks about flaming serpents in the book of Numbers. Were those real as well? What about the solid dome that holds back rain water (raqia) found in Genesis 1 - is it real?
 
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You must not accept my claim by faith. You're free to look at DNA and see how the code has changed over time.
DNA does NOT go back all that far! Show me the DNA for a fossilized flatworm?

For example, caucasians and asians have up to 4% Neanderthal DNA sitting in there.
Whoopee do. You do realize Neanderthal man was merely post flood man??



It's an exact copy and paste job, which we know because we've sequenced caucasian and asian DNA and we've sequenced Neanderthal DNA. It doesn't do anything and it would be pointless for a designer to put it there.
False. If man changed then why not have some DNA that is the same?? In the present state nature we have DNA. Naturally we should share some with previous men. This is news?
 
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For one, they were very short, and likely less intelligent than humans.
Bible says nephilim were over twelve feet tall. Most neanderthals were around 5'5".

For the record, 5'5" is not "very short", it is comparable to the average height of humans today. At the time when Neanderthals lived, they were of similar height or somewhat shorter than the contemporary Cro Magnons.
 
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