Important Facts about Evolution

[bhsmte]

The wages of sin are death. Not much in dispute there.
No man comes to the Father but by me. Pretty self-explanatory.
We can tell you what the Scriptures say is the consequence for sin, but that does not constitute making a judgment on the heart of the sinner.

You can't expect to spend eternity with a God you reject. That isn't a judgment, but a warning. If we didn't love, we wouldn't warn. We'd snicker as you slid your way to Hell. That's not what Christians do. We can tell you that you WILL face the judgment of God for your actions because He told us so. We all will. It isn't for us to decide who goes to Heaven and who does not, because we have no idea on what will happen with your spirit between now and the day of your judgment.

Hopefully, before you die, you will find peace with the Lord through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

If you have no idea, what are you going on about.

Remember the whole, log in the eye thing.

 

[MuchWiser]

The wages of sin are death. Not much in dispute there.
No man comes to the Father but by me. Pretty self-explanatory.
We can tell you what the Scriptures say is the consequence for sin, but that does not constitute making a judgment on the heart of the sinner.

You can't expect to spend eternity with a God you reject. That isn't a judgment, but a warning. If we didn't love, we wouldn't warn. We'd snicker as you slid your way to Hell. That's not what Christians do. We can tell you that you WILL face the judgment of God for your actions because He told us so. We all will. It isn't for us to decide who goes to Heaven and who does not, because we have no idea on what will happen with your spirit between now and the day of your judgment.

Hopefully, before you die, you will find peace with the Lord through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

That's only what you believe to be true not what is true, if your folks had been Muslims you would now be singing a completely different tune.

 

[Strathos]

Going to heaven as opposed to hell correct?

Ok, I can buy that, as if one truly believes the story, that is a clear benefit.

Another question, how many people do you think say they are Christian, just because they are fearful they will go to hell if they aren't, but they really have serious doubts about the whole story?

I don't know.

Although I will point out that I don't believe scripture supports an eternal Hell.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't know.

Although I will point out that I don't believe scripture supports an eternal Hell.

Yes, I understand there are different interpretations of scripture in this regard.

Is it your position that scripture supports a temporary hell, or another place where non-believers would go, or others that God chooses to not offer eternal life?

Also, for the people (and they do exist) that claim they believe, just because they are fearful if they say they really don't, will not be offered heaven, how do you think God will view them when they die?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

When you going to respond to me, Tool Man?

Yes, Google. Thanks

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Oh, KW - preparing the masses unless you point out the fallacy in his beliefs. Then, if it's a strong enough argument, he yells "blasphemy" and ignores ya'. Keeps calling Yeshua "Jesus" for some reason, keeps referring to Yahweh/El as God...

Your very rude to someone who has wrote in a well mannered way.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Yes... But that doesn't mean no atheist has become religious later in life.

Your already religious in your atheism wouldn't you say?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Asked and answered. If you don't like the answer, not my problem. Humans evolved to be social creatures and acting morally helps survival.

Wrong. Because all measurements of morale you refer to in humanity has originated from a standard set out by law?

 

[bhsmte]

Your already religious in your atheism wouldn't you say?

Notice the words; Godly and God fearing in the definition of religion.

re·li·gious
riˈlijəs/
adjective

1. 1.
   relating to or believing in a religion.
   "both men were deeply religious, intelligent, and moralistic"
   synonyms:devout, pious, reverent, godly, God-fearing, churchgoing, faithful, devoted, committed More
   
   
   
   

 

[toolmanjantzi]

That's only what you believe to be true not what is true, if your folks had been Muslims you would now be singing a completely different tune.

If they were a Christian based solely on upbringing; what does that say about your atheism? Also a true Christian does not base Faith on upbringing.

 

[bhsmte]

Wrong. Because all measurements of morale you refer to in humanity has originated from a standard set out by law?

Wrong.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I don't know. Although I will point out that I don't believe scripture supports an eternal Hell.

I thought Strathos was an atheist. Or were you Jewish? It's been awhile. Wave

 

[bhsmte]

I thought Strathos was an atheist. Or were you Jewish? It's been awhile. Wave

Faith icons are your friend.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Yes, I understand there are different interpretations of scripture in this regard. Is it your position that scripture supports a temporary hell, or another place where non-believers would go, or others that God chooses to not offer eternal life? Also, for the people (and they do exist) that claim they believe, just because they are fearful if they say they really don't, will not be offered heaven, how do you think God will view them when they die?

Fear is not necessarily an indicator of false belief. We are commanded to fear Him (GOD) who has the ability to send you to hell.


Luke 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

 

[bhsmte]

Fear is not necessarily an indicator of false belief. We are commanded to fear Him (GOD) who has the ability to send you to hell.


Luke 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

A command to fear God, yes I get that, just as one is commanded to love and do other things.

The question was not for you though.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Notice the words; Godly and God fearing in the definition of religion. re·li·gious ri'lij?s/ adjective [*]1. relating to or believing in a religion. "both men were deeply religious, intelligent, and moralistic" synonyms:devout, pious, reverent, godly, God-fearing, churchgoing, faithful, devoted, committed More

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist.[4][5][6][7] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[8][9] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[9][10]

So YOU REJECT BELIEF, NARROW MINDED, ABSENT MINDED TO BELIEF, yet CONTRASTED WITH THEISTS which believe in the existence of one deity.

 

[bhsmte]

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist.[4][5][6][7] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[8][9] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[9][10]

So YOU REJECT BELIEF, NARROW MINDED, ABSENT MINDED TO BELIEF, yet CONTRASTED WITH THEISTS which believe in the existence of one deity.

Well, that's your personal opinion.

One could argue, that a non-believer is in the position they are, because they are open minded and willing to acknowledge objective evidence that some believers choose to turn a "blind eye" to. And, this "blind eye" is very much a requirement with fundamentalists.

Could be, why there exists a strong correlation between, a persons education level (we learn more as we are educated) and whether a person believes in a God or not.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Faith icons are your friend.

Not familiar with them.

 

[bhsmte]

Not familiar with them.

Obviously.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Obviously.

How so?