Important Facts about Evolution

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They have religion then. A religion that conflicts with Jesus and the apostles directly.
They can grab any number they like I guess, since it is a fairy tale.
Jack in the Beanstalk would be proud

No, that is not a religion. Having a religion is a positive action. That does not mean that it is good. It means you are acting. You are believing in God and it is a faith based belief.

The acceptance of evolution is not faith based. It is evidence based. The existing objective evidence supports evolution and evolution only. A point that drives creationists nuts. And if you want to claim that atheism is a religion again you would be wrong.

Atheism is merely the act of not believing. You name the god or gods, atheists don't believe in it.

Here is a simple analogy that should explain it: Is not playing football a sport? Is not collecting stamps a hobby?

 

[dad]

No, that is not a religion.

No one needs you to admit it.

Having a religion is a positive action. That does not mean that it is good. It means you are acting. You are believing in God and it is a faith based belief.

Nah...having religion means having some beliefs. That can take many forms.

The acceptance of evolution is not faith based.

100% actually. That is easily proven. Just look for the first lifeform. Just try to prove that flatworms had sex and this resulted in animals and man. Evolution is all belief...looking at some slow evolving that goes on now, and a lobotomized fossil record..etc..and fabricating a godless fable based on godless and clueless claptrap.

It is evidence based. The existing objective evidence supports evolution and evolution only. A point that drives creationists nuts. And if you want to claim that atheism is a religion again you would be wrong.

Quit preaching. Prove flatworms had sex and produced animals and all men! You are busted.

Atheism is merely the act of not believing.

Nah, it is the cowardly practice of being a hypocrite about your true beliefs for the most part!

You name the god or gods, atheists don't believe in it.

Flatworms?

Here is a simple analogy that should explain it: Is not playing football a sport? Is not collecting stamps a hobby?

Is not admitting you believe things the same as not having beliefs?

 

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No one needs you to admit it.




Nah...having religion means having some beliefs. That can take many forms.
100% actually. That is easily proven. Just look for the first lifeform. Just try to prove that flatworms had sex and this resulted in animals and man. Evolution is all belief...looking at some slow evolving that goes on now, and a lobotomized fossil record..etc..and fabricating a godless fable based on godless and clueless claptrap.

Nope, faith is by definition faith based. Acceptance of evolution is evidence based. The fact that you do not understand or deny the evidence is not a valid argument on your part. It is also why your side has lost all evidence based lawsuits.

Quit preaching. Prove flatworms had sex and produced animals and all men! You are busted.

Nope, you have to learn how to crawl before you run. People who are stuck in denial cannot be helped.

Nah, it is the cowardly practice of being a hypocrite about your true beliefs for the most part!
Flatworms?

Wrong again the only hypocrites here are creationists. When you are ready to discuss the evidence then you may learn. The only people here who are cowards are those that are afraid of evidence. If you are not afraid of evidence then let us discuss it. You can start by reading my sig.

Is not admitting you believe things the same as not having beliefs?

Try it again without the crazy negatives. It looks like you are trying to claim a falsehood. Also by dodging my question, which was valid unlike the mess you wrote, you as much as admit that I was right.

 

[dad]

Nope, faith is by definition faith based.

Do you believe that flatworms are your ancestors? Do you believe in a past nature you cannot prove? Do you believe there is no God? All such beliefs are faith.

 

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Do you believe that flatworms are your ancestors? Do you believe in a past nature you cannot prove? Do you believe there is no God? All such beliefs are faith.

I am going to do you a favor and answer fully. No, but we are descended from animals that looked similar to flatworms.

I do not believe in God, that is not the same as believing that there is no God. If I was given valid evidence I would change my mind. Since that is not a belief in something it is not faith based.

Here is a simple analogy. Think of the universe as being "on trial" for having a god. Right now I would have to return a verdict of not guilty. That does not necessarily mean that we do not have a god, just as the finding of a jury of not guilty does not mean the accused is innocent in reality. It merely points out that the people who claim there is a God have not made their case.

Remember no matter what your religious belief is most of the world disagrees with you. At the most only one religion can be right. But they can all be wrong.

 

[dad]

I am going to do you a favor and answer fully. No, but we are descended from animals that looked similar to flatworms.

Show us one!


"A team of scientists from Spain and the UK has determined that a certain curiously primitive group of flatworms are the oldest living ancestors to all "bilateral" animals"

Flatworms Are Oldest Living Ancestors To Those Of Us With Right And Left Sides, Researchers Report In Science -- ScienceDaily

Don't try the old shell game with us. 'gee the flatworm looked maybe a little different..blah blah'.

I do not believe in God, that is not the same as believing that there is no God. If I was given valid evidence I would change my mind. Since that is not a belief in something it is not faith based.

So you believe there is no God, or you believe there is? Either way that is belief.

Here is a simple analogy. Think of the universe as being "on trial" for having a god. Right now I would have to return a verdict of not guilty. That does not necessarily mean that we do not have a god, just as the finding of a jury of not guilty does not mean the accused is innocent in reality. It merely points out that the people who claim there is a God have not made their case.

That is a red herring, and clouding the issue. We know that the issue is Jesus here. He is who created the universe and man. That is what the name of the game is, especially on a Christian forum. You are in no position to put Him on trial. You cannot say He did not create man. You simply offer your belief in flatworm sex as the defacto creator of man.

 

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Show us one!


"A team of scientists from Spain and the UK has determined that a certain curiously primitive group of flatworms are the oldest living ancestors to all "bilateral" animals"

Flatworms Are Oldest Living Ancestors To Those Of Us With Right And Left Sides, Researchers Report In Science -- ScienceDaily

Don't try the old shell game with us. 'gee the flatworm looked maybe a little different..blah blah'.

I was not playing a shell game. I know it is a rarity but I was being honest. Even your article does not say they are the same flatworms observed today. And you do know that you looked like a flatworm once.

So you believe there is no God, or you believe there is? Either way that is belief.

Neither. You raise a false dichotomy. I cannot name any god that I believe in. I would say it looks like there is no need for a god but I am willing to suspend final judgement.

That is a red herring, and clouding the issue. We know that the issue is Jesus here. He is who created the universe and man. That is what the name of the game is, especially on a Christian forum. You are in no position to put Him on trial. You cannot say He did not create man. You simply offer your belief in flatworm sex as the defacto creator of man.

I am not putting Jesus on trial. Nor is it a red herring. And of course I can put gods on trial when it comes to belief. Who says that I can't? Lastly this may be a Christian forum, but this part of it is not so "Christian" as others. My claim is simply and correctly that you have not proved your case when it comes to Jesus. A Jew would tell you the same. So would a Muslim. So would a Hindu. etc. and so on.

 

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"A team of scientists from Spain and the UK has determined that a certain curiously primitive group of flatworms are the oldest living ancestors to all "bilateral" animals"

Flatworms Are Oldest Living Ancestors To Those Of Us With Right And Left Sides, Researchers Report In Science -- ScienceDaily

Don't try the old shell game with us. 'gee the flatworm looked maybe a little different..blah blah'. Dad.

The paper does not say that any type of flatworms were our ancestors. It says that a modern species of flatworm is the oldest living ancestor to all bilateral animals. The common ancestor of humans and flatworms was not a flatworm - just like it was not a human.

 

[dad]

The paper does not say that any type of flatworms were our ancestors. It says that a modern species of flatworm is the oldest living ancestor to all bilateral animals. The common ancestor of humans and flatworms was not a flatworm - just like it was not a human.

No one asked you what you thought some ancestor TO the flatworm was!!!! The issue was about the oldest living ancestors you claim for man, namely flatworms. Do you think you resulted from that ancestor?

 

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No one asked you what you thought some ancestor TO the flatworm was!!!! The issue was about the oldest living ancestors you claim for man, namely flatworms. Do you think you resulted from that ancestor?

Sure, why not?

Do you deny that you once looked like a flatworm?

 

[dad]

I was not playing a shell game. I know it is a rarity but I was being honest. Even your article does not say they are the same flatworms observed today. And you do know that you looked like a flatworm once.

Or that they were not. I don't see how it matters if they were a few millimeters longer or shorter or had different colors..etc. It is what it is!

Neither. You raise a false dichotomy. I cannot name any god that I believe in. I would say it looks like there is no need for a god but I am willing to suspend final judgement.

You don't know then. I think we all know that anyhow. ..So??

I am not putting Jesus on trial. Nor is it a red herring. And of course I can put gods on trial when it comes to belief.

Make up your mind! One minute no trial, the next of course a trial!

Who says that I can't? Lastly this may be a Christian forum, but this part of it is not so "Christian" as others.

No? However Christ is the God of Christians any way you shake it. When we talk about the creator this is what we are talking about.

My claim is simply and correctly that you have not proved your case when it comes to Jesus.

Nonsense. He proved it you are in delirious denial. Let's see you rise from the dead.

 

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Or that they were not. I don't see how it matters if they were a few millimeters longer or shorter or had different colors..etc. It is what it is!

The differences would be much greater than that.

You don't know then. I think we all know that anyhow. ..So??

So if you don't know it is irrational to have a belief either way. Atheism is by definition a lack of belief in any god. You can ask if I believe in Thor, I will say no, you can ask if I believe in Zeus I will say no. In that sense you are over 99% atheist too.

Make up your mind! One minute no trial, the next of course a trial!

All gods are on trial, not just your Jesus. I did not single him out. The evidence says "Not Guilty". Now if you want to claim otherwise I would like to see your evidence. And remember in a trial only objective evidence is considered.

No? However Christ is the God of Christians any way you shake it. When we talk about the creator this is what we are talking about.

Some thing of Jesus as an aspect of God. You know the old trinity. And think of God as the whole and Jesus as merely part of the whole. Frankly the typical Christian description of God is a rather strange one to say the least.

Nonsense. He proved it you are in delirious denial. Let's see you rise from the dead.

Not even close. Once again, when it comes to a need to get into a shorter river, that onus is upon you.

 

[dad]

The differences would be much greater than that.

Funny the article never mentioned them. You don't seem to have any specs either on your supposed different worms! Hey maybe try 'webcrawler'!

Atheism is by definition a lack of belief in any god.

Says some atheists. However we all have beliefs. All that remains is admitting it.

All gods are on trial, not just your Jesus.

In your dreams.

I did not single him out. The evidence says "Not Guilty". Now if you want to claim otherwise I would like to see your evidence. And remember in a trial only objective evidence is considered.

Now you have drifted off to la la land. Try to at least remember this much...when creation and the Creator are mentioned here, that means Christ.

Some thing of Jesus as an aspect of God. You know the old trinity.

Right, God is three Persons. They are one.

And think of God as the whole and Jesus as merely part of the whole. Frankly the typical Christian description of God is a rather strange one to say the least.

Because it is above the understanding of man.

Not even close. Once again, when it comes to a need to get into a shorter river, that onus is upon you.

Why talk boating? Pretty lame.

 

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Funny the article never mentioned them. You don't seem to have any specs either on your supposed different worms! Hey maybe try 'webcrawler'!

Why would it need to? The article was meant for educated people.

Says some atheists. However we all have beliefs. All that remains is admitting it.

Oh yes, we all have some beliefs. The question is if the beliefs are rational or not. Are they evidence based or not. I try to base my beliefs upon evidence.

In your dreams.

Nope, in reality. And it is not the gods themselves that are on trial. You misunderstood. It is the universe. Is the universe "guilty" of having a god. Right now the evidence says "Not guilty".

Now you have drifted off to la la land. Try to at least remember this much...when creation and the Creator are mentioned here, that means Christ.

No, that is what you mean. You do not speak for everyone.

Right, God is three Persons. They are one.

So you are claiming a multiple personality disorder. That sounds rather blasphemous to me.

Because it is above the understanding of man.

Then how do you know you have it right?

Why talk boating? Pretty lame.

I see that was beyond your understanding. Too bad.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, I think that fragrant crap would have expedited my decision to flee the madness of Satan. Of course it someone told you back then worm sex was what was responsible for all of mankind, they may have stoned you for being mad or possessed!

Hmmm ... excellent points!

Excellent points, indeed!

 

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Hmmm ... excellent points!

Excellent points, indeed!

What!?

He had a terribly failed argument from ignorance. Those are only excellent points for a poe.

 

[dad]

Why would it need to? The article was meant for educated people.

If you want to say that the creature that spawned mankind was something different that the ancsetor they cite, you would need some info. Let's see it!

Oh yes, we all have some beliefs. The question is if the beliefs are rational or not. Are they evidence based or not. I try to base my beliefs upon evidence.

Any religious zealot can do that, so? The issue is how you molest the evidence.

Nope, in reality. And it is not the gods themselves that are on trial. You misunderstood. It is the universe. Is the universe "guilty" of having a god. Right now the evidence says "Not guilty".

That depends if we engage in a form of Last Thursdayism favored by Evolution believers -- delirious deliberate denial of history and Scripture, prophesy, and Jesus.

Then how do you know you have it right?

God from above gave us the words of wisdom we need to know that the universe was created by Him, not sailed out of a turtles derriere or something smaller, such as a singularity.

 

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If you want to say that the creature that spawned mankind was something different that the ancsetor they cite, you would need some info. Let's see it!

Sorry dad, you have shown yourself not to be honest too many times. We can go over what evidence is first. Then we'll see.

Any religious zealot can do that, so? The issue is how you molest the evidence.

No, that is not true. Your beliefs are not based upon evidence. You don't know what evidence is. But it is nice to see that you admit that you are a religious zealot.

That depends if we engage in a form of Last Thursdayism favored by Evolution believers -- delirious deliberate denial of history and Scripture, prophesy, and Jesus.

No, Last Thursadyism is a sin of people like AV. That is never used in evolution.

God from above gave us the words of wisdom we need to know that the universe was created by Him, not sailed out of a turtles derriere or something smaller, such as a singularity.

And yet you have no real evidence that the Bible is God's Word. No objective evidence at all and the only subjective evidence is from a misinterpretation of the Bible by you.

That has fail written all over it.

 

[dad]

Define non human...and show where this non human was changed to a human!! Good luck with that.

Ho hum.