Things to consider about the Ten Commandments

[mercy1061]

I think someone said such a statement shows one doesn't understand the law. Have you ever seen this verse -

For until the law sin was in the world.

Murder is still a sin as it was prior to the law shown by Moses fleeing Egypt.

Sin is violation of the law, I am sure the ancient Egyptians had law, it was a sin for a man to murder an Egyptian soldier.

 

[from scratch]

I never divided the law; there are 613 commandments. Please show me where I seperated the law? I mean we can't agree to obey 10 simple commandments; how can I possible explain the other 603 laws when many refuse to obey just 10?

Care to pick out of the list which one you keep? BTW don't bother mentioning the 4th which you violate every week.

 

[from scratch]

Your insults will never work for you because you already admitted you do not attempt to keep any of them. Therefore you COULD be a liar, thief, idol worshipper; dishonor sabbath and torah as a whole. It is no need to continue this unfruitful discussion, you are not interested in thoughtful debate. Please do not post to me anymore.

Just as soon as you quit posting false doctrine and assumptions/accusations.

 

[from scratch]

Did salvation or the Word begin with you?

Straight up obfuscation. Answer my question please and counter my statement. Betting the truth is you won't because you can't.

Tell ya what - I'll give you 100,000,000 blessings to do it.

 

[mercy1061]

Just as soon as you quit posting false doctrine and assumptions/accusations.

You accuse me of the things you do.

 

[from scratch]

Sin is violation of the law, I am sure the ancient Egyptians had law, it was a sin for a man to murder an Egyptian soldier.

The law we're talking about here at CF isn't the Egyptian civil law. Yes its part of the reason Moses fled.

 

[mercy1061]

Care to pick out of the list which one you keep? BTW don't bother mentioning the 4th which you violate every week.

Adam and Eve broke the law, they ate rotten fruit, your argument is not logical. You seek to find fault in those who observe torah to justify your willful rejection against it . You don't like gathering up seed, you only scatted seed into good soil to bring forth much fruit. Will you allow a rotten tree to grow in your garden?

 

[from scratch]

You accuse me of the things you do.

Burden of proof is on you. It already been shown your doctrines are false.

 

[mercy1061]

Burden of proof is on you. It already been shown your doctrines are false.

Pointing your finger at me, does not make void or nullify the commandments written by the finger of G-d.

 

[mercy1061]

The law we're talking about here at CF isn't the Egyptian civil law. Yes its part of the reason Moses fled.

What about when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit? Did the law of nature exist in the garden? What about when Cain murdered his brother? Where there is no law, there is no sin, yet sin entered the world. Surely G-d gave his holy law to Adam.

 

[Sophrosyne]

What about when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit? Did the law of nature exist in the garden? What about when Cain murdered his brother? Where there is no law, there is no sin, yet sin entered the world. Surely G-d gave his holy law to Adam.

Define "holy law" first

 

[mercy1061]

Define "holy law" first

The law is holy, do you agree?

 

[Sophrosyne]

The law is holy, do you agree?

No, I don't agree unless you define what you mean by the law. I am not playing this law means whatever you want it to mean game, I've played the command/commands/commandment game with SDA and don't buy it either.
I'm not going to buy vague arguments not based upon the Bible but word games define what you mean or your argument is garbage here.

 

[mercy1061]

No, I don't agree unless you define what you mean by the law. I am not playing this law means whatever you want it to mean game, I've played the command/commands/commandment game with SDA and don't buy it either.
I'm not going to buy vague arguments not based upon the Bible but word games define what you mean or your argument is garbage here.

I am not sda, will you accept Rom 7:12 as truth?

 

[Sophrosyne]

I am not sda, will you accept Rom 7:12 as truth?

Do you accept the whole of chapter 7 of Romans? I do.

4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.


21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.




If you read the chapter.... the law of sin is what you are equating.... which differs here from the law of God.

 

[mercy1061]

Do you accept the whole of chapter 7 of Romans? I do.

4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.


21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.




If you read the chapter.... the law of sin is what you are equating.... which differs here from the law of God.

Did I mention the law of sin? I told you I was refering to the holy law from G-d, G-d gave Adam in the garden.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Did I mention the law of sin? I told you I was refering to the holy law from G-d, G-d gave Adam in the garden.

You mentioned a scripture here in a chapter that mentions the law of sin trying to use that as your "example". The problem is taking scripture out of context and abusing it against the authors will. Paul equated the Law holy for a purpose and it is not the purpose you are equating it.
Ignore most of chapter 7 of Romans and you can see what you think you see... but you are only fooling yourself.

 

[Elder 111]

You didn't make a point at all. You directly contradicted Scripture, which the inspired author interpreted for the reader: the bondwoman = the covenant from Mount Sinai, which is the Ten Commandments. So no, it is obvious that you don't agree with Scripture.

Review your contradiction again:


See your own contradiction: your claim that God didn't ordain the Ten Commandments, concurrent with a claim that He did. The bondwoman was defined as the covenant from Mount Sinai in v.24, which is the Ten Commandments. Those retained by it have no claim to eternal life, as they are outside God's redemption.

You keep insisting on this as if you have struck a gold mine.
The ten commandments is of God the bondwoman is of man's doings.
Hagar was not given to Abram by God!
Should the command to worship God only be see as "bonds"? Is it to be gotten rid of because it is irrelevant? Keep your "gold mine" , I will keep my streets of gold!

 

[Elder 111]

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. This keeps in bonds we should get rid of it. At least one other god should be allowed.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Abolished! Did you not read where God said it was OK to make idols?Whats wrong with bowing down to them any way? Keeping us restricted all the time in bonds.

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Why not? Is He Holy or something?

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. A whole day? The best day of the week to make some money and have some fund? You kidding! now you can agree that this is bonds. It is not that He keeps we alive, or created me or even died for me. Why should I keep a day that He sanctified and made holy? He will take the time I give Him or he is unfair keeping me in Bonds.

12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee. You see the bonds? I got to look after them when they get old too? Restricting me! I did not ask to be here.

13 Thou shalt not kill. Why? Give one good reason why God would want this old covenant command in this new Christian age of freedom?

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery. Is this not bonds again? Why can't you have a little affair?

15 Thou shalt not steal. I like it why can I have His stuff?

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. You see that again. If I lie I can get the Job and the girl. Restrictions restriction, bonds and more bonds.

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. Why not? If I want it I want it.

Oh the Bonds from mount Sinai.
In conclusion: We who call ourselves God children make this grave error about God's commandments and cause other to reject Christianity and the truth.
It is stupidity and purely illogical to tell a man that the law not to kill is abolished for christians and ten preach to him not to commit murder.
If it makes sense to you keep it!

 

[mercy1061]

You mentioned a scripture here in a chapter that mentions the law of sin trying to use that as your "example". The problem is taking scripture out of context and abusing it against the authors will. Paul equated the Law holy for a purpose and it is not the purpose you are equating it.
Ignore most of chapter 7 of Romans and you can see what you think you see... but you are only fooling yourself.

Pharisee Shaul said another law at work he never equated them, the two laws have different origins. The law that is holy, righteous and good comes from G-d, the other law comes from sin and death. The sabbath is a place that we must enter, be careful that you do not fall short of it.