Is transgender a lie?

[abacabb3]

Except that it is, in the transgendered person, the genitals are the deformity

We don't decide our own deformities any more than we decide our own truth. If your kid thinks his nose is a deformity and wants to cut it off, nothing on the planet makes that a legitimate life choice.

Here is a question, lets say that we advance to the point to where we can take a 100% male, and make him 100% female, including fully working uterus and ability to have offspring that are his would you be opposed to it? All he's doing is changing his form from one fully functional thing to another.

I am opposed, because in the DNA of the brain which can never be replicated will be chromosomes that reveal the opposite. If magically you can convert every chromosome you probably efficitively destroyed the old man and he is dead.

 

[loveofourlord]

You are what you are born, or most accurately, by the DNA. There is a reason that those who undergo surgery and or hormone therapy look weird. Transexuals do not look like good looking people. That's a fact. Go post pcitures of three women and then a transexual. I'll pick out the right one at over a 90% clip, if not 100%. WHy? You can't fool nature.

Then answer the question, what sex are the the children that are born female in every way externally and then become true males at puberty? And what would you do till they hit puberty if you found out they were geneticly males? Would you force them into surgery? What about males that are females externally but never change? And so on, what is your solution to these scenario's since you seem to claim you know whats True and right. Answer the question, we would all like to know.

 

[loveofourlord]

We don't decide our own deformities any more than we decide our own truth. If your kid thinks his nose is a deformity and wants to cut it off, nothing on the planet makes that a legitimate life choice.



I am opposed, because in the DNA of the brain which can never be replicated will be chromosomes that reveal the opposite. If magically you can convert every chromosome you probably efficitively destroyed the old man and he is dead.

Your stuck on the old concept of what sexes and genders are, and as we've repeatedly shown you, your concepts don't work, this isn't post modernism, this is reality. Nature isn't so clean cut as male and female, look at lesbian lizards that require lesbian sex to procreate, look at fish and amphibians and such that change their sex. your trying to fit reality in a box it doesn't belong.

 

[KCfromNC]

It's a brain disorder and a mental affliction.

We live in a strange world where people who believe that the universe was created just for them by an invisible magical being get to lecture others about being mentally ill.

 

[KCfromNC]

From a scientific standpoint, there is no evidence that 'transgender' exists.

Psychology expert Dr. Joseph Berger states that when a person is asked to clarify with absolute certainty whether they are a male or female, the response is always "it's a feeling". And this response is not scientifically conclusive to anything except that the person is just unhappy or unsatisfied.

From a scientific standpoint, there is no evidence that 'religion' exists.

Psychology expert Dr. Ima Quack states that when a person is asked to clarify with absolute certainty whether they are a Christian or Muslim, the response is always "it's a feeling". And this response is not scientifically conclusive to anything except that the person is just unhappy or unsatisfied.

Come on, when you ask people if they feel they are male or female what answer do you expect except their feelings on the matter?

 

[wanderingone]

We all have different crosses to bare. Quite frankly, God gives some more difficult problems than others. Some people are paralyzed, for example. Many die for their faith, such as in Muslim countries. God does not always make it easy, in fact, He promises us persecutions.

Personally, I am not going to judge someone who cross dresses (though I have biblical reason against outward adornment like jewelry and make up but that's a different story.) However, the Bible does not condone men having sex with other men or women having sex with other women. I don't believe in mutilating one's body. Further, if you are born with a man's voice but feel compelled to play make believe women's voice, that is also equivalent to lying.

So, it sucks to have such a mental illness but we don't want our problems to compel us to sin out of obedience to God.

The Bible does not condemn getting medical treatment.

 

[Andrea411]

IDK all the answers, there are many things the scriptures never addressed except to look through the scriptures and use the heart God gave you.
When possible be loving, kind and patient.
Transgendered people are going through something I have no idea about... I have only the knowledge that the Lord loves them with an everlasting love. They must answer their own consciences and Christians have not given very good responses to this, should at least be compassionate.
IMO... Christians do lots of things that are considered sin, they expect to be forgiven. They often get surgery or wear make-up to change their looks etc etc. They think nothing of going to the doctors to get hormones if they think it will make them feel better.
I can't tell them that being mixed up about their sexuality is 'right' but I can tell them God knows them. He knows every hair on their heads and some people are different, if they can not live with the body they have. Who am I to judge. That is between them and God.

Some people are born with significant defects but we would never say God didn't love them or He wanted them that way. We would do everything we could to help them, hopefully.
I do not agree with surgery for children, BUT I am no expert - I would not interfere with a parents right to decide with doctors on the course needed. I do know there are people born who have no gender assignment... is that their sin?? Of course not.
Since our opinions have no impact whatsoever on what is occurring with transgendered people, why not just encourage them and all people to seek Jesus. Remind them that He is a loving God who is there for them and that even if we disagree and they make poor decisions (IMO) that we will support them in the faith.
I dislike comparing LGBT people with defective people but there seems to be no way to explain to others that God loves people who don't look like me, or act like me or think like me.... it's not about our small little experience.
God bless, andrea

 

[wanderingone]

cAN a mentally ill person give consent for a lobotomy?

Mentally ill people are not incapable of making a medical decision. One doesn't suddenly become incompetent and intellectually challenged simply by virtue of having a mental health issue.

 

[Cute Tink]

I think you are being insensitive to people with cancer who have no choice but to undergo such a procedure or die. The transvestite issue is not equivalent to this.

I hate to break this to you, but transvestites don't get sex changes. The terms are not interchangeable. This isn't helping your case as an authoritative opinion on the issue

 

[abacabb3]

Then answer the question, what sex are the the children that are born female in every way externally and then become true males at puberty?

Honestly, I question your definitions. The question really does not make sense, I'm going with the chromosomes. Further, I do not consider mutations and syndromes as definitional for gender.

Would you force them into surgery?

No, I don't believe in mutilation.

Your stuck on the old concept of what sexes and genders are, ...your trying to fit reality in a box it doesn't belong.

No, you are pretending there is a different box that no one has ever though existed for almost all of human history. I need compelling genetic evidence that is consistent with other genetic studies. So, you cannot take syndromes and say they are definitional.

Please, consider that carefully. You are making exceptions the rule. I am not aware of when we do that for other creatures in similar situations. Further, we wouldn't call people with gigantism perpetually children, even though they are always undergoing development. These things are exceptions.

 

[abacabb3]

The Bible does not condemn getting medical treatment.

I don't need the bible to tell me to use mutilation as treatment is abusive to the mentally ill.

 

[abacabb3]

I hate to break this to you, but transvestites don't get sex changes. The terms are not interchangeable. This isn't helping your case as an authoritative opinion on the issue

Again, I'm really not authoritative on anything. I don't dislike transgender people. I feel very sorry for them and I don't like the physical abuse they get subjected to by people that should know better.

 

[Skybringr]

The Bible does not condemn getting medical treatment.

Yeah, if Moses was around today, I'm sure he would be cool with people getting a sex change because they are unhappy with their gender.

~sarcasm~

 

[selfinflikted]

Yeah, if Moses was around today, I'm sure he would be cool with people getting a sex change because they are unhappy with their gender.

~sarcasm~

Why would anyone care what Moses would think?

 

[Skybringr]

Why would anyone care what Moses would think?

 

[selfinflikted]

You'd better be more concerned about what Voldemort thinks. He looks more powerful..

 

[Cute Tink]

Honestly, I question your definitions. The question really does not make sense, I'm going with the chromosomes. Further, I do not consider mutations and syndromes as definitional for gender.

You do? Do you ask people what their chromosomes are before taking them at their word that they are male or female?

Again, I'm really not authoritative on anything. I don't dislike transgender people. I feel very sorry for them and I don't like the physical abuse they get subjected to by people that should know better.

Your post history in this topic does suggest that you think yourself authoritative. You are certain on your definitions, which implies authority. You aren't open to anyone (including experts on the subject) saying anything different than what you have decided to believe.

Sorry that I took that overall picture as you believing that you are authoritative on the subject.

 

[abacabb3]

You do? Do you ask people what their chromosomes are before taking them at their word that they are male or female?

Again, exceptions are not the rule. I can tell if they are really male or female, even if they are cross dressed or had surgery and hormone treatments.

AGain, truth is not dictated by their own perception of themselves, or my perception of how they look. Truth existrs outside our perceptions, so chromosomes would dictate the matter whther we perceive their existence or not.

Your post history in this topic does suggest that you think yourself authoritative. You are certain on your definitions, which implies authority. You aren't open to anyone (including experts on the subject) saying anything different than what you have decided to believe.

Again, I never made such a claim. I am just really opposed to mutilating mentally ill people.

 

[Joykins]

Yeah, if Moses was around today, I'm sure he would be cool with people getting a sex change because they are unhappy with their gender.

~sarcasm~

If we're going to talk "genital mutilation" I feel obligated to point out that Moses was pro-circumcision.

 

[wanderingone]

Yeah, if Moses was around today, I'm sure he would be cool with people getting a sex change because they are unhappy with their gender.

~sarcasm~

Because the Bible is inspired by Moses? Not sure why we would be looking to Moses as the reason to oppose or support medical treatments.