Things to consider about the Ten Commandments

[Cribstyl]

Me too. The Mosaic law is garbage. It was the worst thing that God ever did. An exercise in futility and madness. The 7th day was around long before that mess.

All I see are lies begging for rebuttal. Have you read the bible? The bible does not devide the law. SDA devide the law when it's convenient for argument.


Jhn 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


The understand of this scripture means that Christians are not under the law given to Moses, but rather under the grace given through believing and understanding the truth about Jesus Christ.

WHen Jesus said;
Jhn 7:19
Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

If there were divisions of the law, there is no evidence. The law seen as one unit.

 

[Cribstyl]

But if you read it - it does go back to creation. It's a memorial in the truest sense not a commandment. Kind of like Veteran's day or the 4th of July. Those memorials are not hard to keep so the Sabbath should not be either.

Prove it.....

 

[Sophrosyne]

But if you read it - it does go back to creation. It's a memorial in the truest sense not a commandment. Kind of like Veteran's day or the 4th of July. Those memorials are not hard to keep so the Sabbath should not be either.

False again... God doesn't create for another 6 day cycle and rest over and over creation has finished just as Jesus isn't jumping up and down on and off the cross over and over he said it is finished there too.

 

[VictorC]

But if you read it - it does go back to creation. It's a memorial in the truest sense not a commandment. Kind of like Veteran's day or the 4th of July. Those memorials are not hard to keep so the Sabbath should not be either.

The Sabbath doesn't originate from the creation account. You've already seen the Biblical evidence:

• The Genesis account doesn't record a rest observed by any human; the seventh day is in absolute terms rather than a repetitive cycle to describe God's rest.
• Exodus 20:11 clearly delineates the seventh day apart from the sabbath, using the same sentence structure found in Deuteronomy 5:15 that lists a single event in the past as the impetus to ordain the periodic sabbath.
• Hebrews 4 calls the seventh day of creation God's "My rest" that remained to be attained by a people who were already observing the sabbath, and Hebrews 4:4 quotes directly from Genesis 2:2 to document God's rest those who had the sabbath had not attained.
• Jesus distinguishes the sabbath apart from God's rest recorded in the Genesis account when He said it was "made for man" in Mark 2:27.
• Moses testifies that the ten commandments were unknown to the generation previous to his own in Deuteronomy 5:2-3, and lists the sabbath as a memorial of deliverance from Egyptian bondage in Deuteronomy 5:15.
• Nehemiah 9:13-14 attributes the origin of the sabbath with Moses.

The rest of your post shows ignorance of the Sabbath, and it seems your motive is to erase God's rest that we who believe enter into from your memory. The Sabbath was a prophetic shadow of His rest that hasn't led you to the reality.

 

[from scratch]

Me too. The Mosaic law is garbage. It was the worst thing that God ever did. An exercise in futility and madness. The 7th day was around long before that mess.

Oh my!!!! You're a very interesting creature. Here you say the Ten Commandments are the worst thing God ever did. The Ten Commandments are called the law by all New Testament characters. The Law is also known as the Mosaic Law or stated as the law of Moses.

As pointed out to you the Sabbath precedes the giving of the by no more than 60 days.

 

[VictorC]

What is bad about the Ten Commandments? For instance why would God remove the first command, you should have no other god before Me? Explain!

Does the Biblical description "the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones" have any meaning to you?

Why do you believe that God would reject me for keeping the Ten commandments that He ordained?

First of all, you once again reversed the relationship of what kept whom until the time appointed by God.
Second of all, those retained by the bondwoman covenant from Mount Sinai have absolutely no claim to eternal life with the Heir: Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.”

If God does not want us to keep the Ten commandments, why is He writing it on our hearts?

This is utter fallacy. Don't the Words "not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers" have any meaning to you?
Doesn't anything God said convey the slightest meaning to you?

God didn't shuffle the broken covenant from Mount Sinai to another location, as the inspired author of Hebrews 8:13 takes note of: "In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."

Why is God's church identified as keeping/having the Commandments of God if the ten commandments are not for the church? Revelation 12:17.

Why is it that members of the SDA church show over and over that they don't know what the commandments of God are, which excludes the Ten Commandments covenant from Mount Sinai?
By this we know the SDA church is not God's church.

 

[from scratch]

Oh, so now I'm not a 7th day Baptist! I was raised Lutheran and was an SDA for a time and now I am 7th day Baptist. I have relatives who are Baptist, Pentecostal and Catholic and my wife's side of the family is Jewish. I have been exposed to a plethora of religious ideas and concepts which has always driven me to the bible to see what is truth and what is error.

I did not even know this forum existed prior to a few days ago but now that I do and I see the trash that is posted here and how Sabbatarians are treated like the scum of the earth I will be posting here and getting on my soap box every chance I get. Christian's are supposed to be born again and have the Holy Spirit but the only spirit I sense in this place is from the devil.

ehehehehehehehawhe!!!!!!!

We can handle it. We've retired some better than you. Time takes care of most things.

 

[VictorC]

Me too. The Mosaic law is garbage. It was the worst thing that God ever did. An exercise in futility and madness. The 7th day was around long before that mess.

Such arrogance in deference to the divine purpose ordained in the Law is a reason you show little regard for God's redemption.

Galatians 3
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.​

 

[from scratch]

All the Sabbatarian I know treat Sunday like they do a Monday. I think some take it so far to make sure they are busy to the point where they cant get rest so they no one can say they rested on a Sunday.

My wager is few sabbatarians are employed for wages on Sunday. What does LarryP2 say concerning this? He was SDA for 22 years.

 

[Dunbar]

What is bad about the Ten Commandments? For instance why would God remove the first command, you should have no other god before Me? Explain!
Why do you believe that God would reject me for keeping the Ten commandments that He ordained?
If God does not want us to keep the Ten commandments, why is He writing it on our hearts?
Why is God's church identified as keeping/having the Commandments of God if the ten commandments are not for the church? Revelation 12:17.

The ten commandments are bad because they give the doers a false sense of security. Those who don't lie or steal or commit adultery think they are righteous when in reality their hearts are desperately wicked and deceitful above all things. God puts Love in our hearts not the carnal commandments. There is no 'thou shalt not' in Love because Love or agape can do 'all things'. The new covenant is freedom in the truest sense. There are no restrictions because the Holy Spirit has been placed in charge of our life and leads us down the right path.

 

[Dunbar]

We can handle it. We've retired some better than you. Time takes care of most things.

We'll see now wont we. LOL

 

[VictorC]

Oh, so now I'm not a 7th day Baptist! I was raised Lutheran and was an SDA for a time and now I am 7th day Baptist. I have relatives who are Baptist, Pentecostal and Catholic and my wife's side of the family is Jewish. I have been exposed to a plethora of religious ideas and concepts which has always driven me to the bible to see what is truth and what is error.

I've noted your rejection of Dispensationalism, a hallmark of the Baptist church.
I here note your rejection of Martin Luther's identification of 'false apostles', namely Sabbatarians:

The Apostle Paul knew what the false apostles were teaching the Galatians: The observance of days, and months, and times, and years. The Jews had been obliged to keep holy the Sabbath Day, the new moons, the feast of the passover, the feast of tabernacles, and other feasts. The false apostles constrained the Galatians to observe these Jewish feasts under threat of damnation. Paul hastens to tell the Galatians that they were exchanging their Christian liberty for the weak and beggarly elements of the world.
Luther's Commentary on Galatians, v.4:10​

And of course we already know the nature of the SDA church, which notables from Martin Luther to Dr.s Donald Barnhouse and Walter Martin identified: "For over a century Adventism has borne a stigma of being called a non-Christian cult system." (Dr. Walter Martin)

So in a nutshell, the particulars taught by the Lutherans and Baptists escaped your attention, and my impression is that you've repackaged Adventism in hopes of making it sound kosher. It isn't.

I did not even know this forum existed prior to a few days ago but now that I do and I see the trash that is posted here and how Sabbatarians are treated like the scum of the earth I will be posting here and getting on my soap box every chance I get. Christian's are supposed to be born again and have the Holy Spirit but the only spirit I sense in this place is from the devil.

Sounds like you have a persecution complex, which is deserved as long as you keep discarding Scripture and replacing it with lies from hell.

 

[LarryP2]

My wager is few sabbatarians are employed for wages on Sunday. What does LarryP2 say concerning this? He was SDA for 22 years.

I don't remember any particular pattern, one way or another. I DO remember a few particularly gloating, preening, self-righteous hypocrites who made a big show of working on Sunday and went out of their way to be as offensive as possible about it. But nothing unusual there: Sabbath Keeping in my experience always brings out the very worst in people.

Especially on Easter, Adventists typically reach down into the gutter and dishonestly-smear Christians celebrating the Resurrection on that day as Satan Worshipers. Most ex-Adventists are horrified that they ever belonged to such an evil organization. In my opinion, they have no place posting on a Christian website.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I don't remember any particular pattern, one way or another. I DO remember a few particularly gloating, preening, self-righteous hypocrites who made a big show of working on Sunday and went out of their way to be as offensive as possible about it. But nothing unusual there: Sabbath Keeping in my experience always brings out the very worst in people.

Especially on Easter, Adventists typically reach down into the gutter and dishonestly-smear Christians celebrating the Resurrection on that day as Satan Worshipers. Most ex-Adventists are horrified that they ever belonged to such an evil organization. In my opinion, they have no place posting on a Christian website.

I welcome such people to post here, it gives Christians who aren't well versed in SDAism a chance to see their true colors when their arguments are methodically picked apart and destroyed and watch how they act in it all with their denial, ignoring solid arguments entirely and using every debate trick in the book to try and hoodwink the observer into thinking they are right. In time over hundreds even thousands of posts people begin to see that most of their theology is based upon smoke and mirrors and that their condemnation of Christians refusing to buy into their religious views is unwarranted. As much as I would like to convince these people to accept the Gospel of Grace and dump the legalism in the garbage and have a lot better life in Christ I know most of them would spit on Paul for the most part out of one side of the mouth while praising him for show out of the other. One cannot love someone bent on enslaving believers into legalism and expect them to stop it cold most of the time they have to literally build a brick wall in front of them and let them wear themselves out clawing at it till they either have a heart attack and cry for help or move on elsewhere to find other victims to get to drink of their bad theology.

 

[LarryP2]

I welcome such people to post here, it gives Christians who aren't well versed in SDAism a chance to see their true colors when their arguments are methodically picked apart and destroyed and watch how they act in it all with their denial, ignoring solid arguments entirely and using every debate trick in the book to try and hoodwink the observer into thinking they are right. In time over hundreds even thousands of posts people begin to see that most of their theology is based upon smoke and mirrors and that their condemnation of Christians refusing to buy into their religious views is unwarranted. As much as I would like to convince these people to accept the Gospel of Grace and dump the legalism in the garbage and have a lot better life in Christ I know most of them would spit on Paul for the most part out of one side of the mouth while praising him for show out of the other. One cannot love someone bent on enslaving believers into legalism and expect them to stop it cold most of the time they have to literally build a brick wall in front of them and let them wear themselves out clawing at it till they either have a heart attack and cry for help or move on elsewhere to find other victims to get to drink of their bad theology.

300,000 Adventists are stampeding out of Seventh Day Adventism every year. Everyone reading on this site should go and read the heart-breaking comments of ex-Seventh Day Adventists if they want to understand the grave immensity of the unadulterated evil of Sabbath Keeping:

Topics - Former Adventist Fellowship Forum

 

[Sophrosyne]

300,000 Adventists are stampeding out of Seventh Day Adventism every year. Everyone reading on this site should go and read the heart-breaking comments of ex-Seventh Day Adventists if they want to understand the grave immensity of the unadulterated evil of Sabbath Keeping:

Topics - Former Adventist Fellowship Forum

I think the evil of it starts when it is elevated from "tradition" to salvic

 

[from scratch]

Is it slow here or what?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Is it slow here or what?

slower than a slug on sleeping pills

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

What is bad about the Ten Commandments? For instance why would God remove the first command, you should have no other god before Me? Explain!
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Does the Biblical description "the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones" have any meaning to you?

Have you considered your reply carefully? Which is death? Rejecting the Ten commandments or or obeying it?
To follow your premise would mean that to worship God only is death. Why is it so hard for you to see how illogical and ridiculous your position is? But the truth is plain. Once one reject truth, anything is possible even the crucifixion of Christ as demonstrated by the Jews.

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Why do you believe that God would reject me for keeping the Ten commandments that He ordained?
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First of all, you once again reversed the relationship of what kept whom until the time appointed by God.
Second of all, those retained by the bondwoman covenant from Mount Sinai have absolutely no claim to eternal life with the Heir: Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.”

God did not ordain the bondwoman, that was man's doings: Sarah and Abraham. The ten Commandments on the other hand is directly from God.
If the law is not for us, it would mean that the commandment to worship God only, will not be applicable now nor in heaven. I am certain that you would not entertain any idea that we can worship any other but God in Heaven. If how do you justify removing the command that says so? Illogical again.

Originally Posted by Elder 111

If God does not want us to keep the Ten commandments, why is He writing it on our hearts?
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This is utter fallacy. Don't the Words "not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers" have any meaning to you?
Doesn't anything God said convey the slightest meaning to you?

Why do you reject or ignore scripture. "16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;"
The "not according" is not in reference to the law is it?

God didn't shuffle the broken covenant from Mount Sinai to another location, as the inspired author of Hebrews 8:13 takes note of: "In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
The problem was not the law was it?

Originally Posted by Elder 111

Why is God's church identified as keeping/having the Commandments of God if the ten commandments are not for the church? Revelation 12:17.
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Why is it that members of the SDA church show over and over that they don't know what the commandments of God are, which excludes the Ten Commandments covenant from Mount Sinai?
By this we know the SDA church is not God's church.

What are the commandments of God, if not those that He wrote with His own hand? If not those that we will be excluded from the kingdom of heaven for breaking? Rev. 22:
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
You will agree that those sins mentioned are violations of the Ten commandments.

If there is no Ten Commandments, what is the definition of sin?

 

[Elder 111]

Can anyone tell me what are the commandments of God if not the Ten commandments?