Sabbath was made for man

[LarryP2]

Are you and your source saying that the 7 day week was established by the Romans and Babylonians?

So in the 4th commandment when it mentions a 7 day week....? What about that.

The Jews calculated their weeks by observing the Lunar Cycles! You really didn't know that?

Hebrew calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And yes, Judaism acknowledges the input of the Babylonians:

"The present Hebrew calendar is the product of evolution, including a Babylonian influence."
Hebrew calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am just blown away that you think the 7 day week came from Creation!! It has ALWAYS been calculated from the lunar cycle!

"According to the Bible, neither Saturday nor Sunday is the Sabbath! The original calendar described in the Torah and used by Moses was based upon the phases of the Moon, not a continuous weekly cycle. This Lunar Calendar was used for all the feast days, including the weekly Sabbath.

Since the Biblical calendar is based on the moon, it does not correspond to the days of the modern Gregorian Calendar. For example, the Sabbath is not always on Saturday but could be on Wednesday one month, and Thursday the next.

This can have serious economic impacts, as people desiring to follow the Sabbath today according to the Biblical Lunar calendar will find themselves having to ask for days off during the standard Monday-to-Friday work week. This would be not just once or twice a year, but every week. Obviously, such a schedule will not be looked upon favorably by most employers and fellow employees."
The Sabbath Day is Wrong

You do know that you have never kept a biblical Sabbath in your whole life, don't you?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

The Jews calculated their weeks by observing the Lunar Cycles! You really didn't know that?

Hebrew calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And yes, Judaism acknowledges the input of the Babylonians:

"The present Hebrew calendar is the product of evolution, including a Babylonian influence."
Hebrew calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am just blown away that you think the 7 day week came from Creation!! It has ALWAYS been calculated from the lunar cycle!

"According to the Bible, neither Saturday nor Sunday is the Sabbath! The original calendar described in the Torah and used by Moses was based upon the phases of the Moon, not a continuous weekly cycle. This Lunar Calendar was used for all the feast days, including the weekly Sabbath.

Since the Biblical calendar is based on the moon, it does not correspond to the days of the modern Gregorian Calendar. For example, the Sabbath is not always on Saturday but could be on Wednesday one month, and Thursday the next.

This can have serious economic impacts, as people desiring to follow the Sabbath today according to the Biblical Lunar calendar will find themselves having to ask for days off during the standard Monday-to-Friday work week. This would be not just once or twice a year, but every week. Obviously, such a schedule will not be looked upon favorably by most employers and fellow employees."
The Sabbath Day is Wrong

You do know that you have never kept a biblical Sabbath in your whole life, don't you?

Where in your source does it say that the seven day week is derived from the Lunar Cycle?

 

[LarryP2]

Where in your source does it say that the seven day week is derived from the Lunar Cycle?

"The Hebrew or Jewish calendar (הַלּוּחַ הָעִבְרִי, ha'luach ha'ivri) is a lunisolar calendar used today predominantly for Jewish religious observances."
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"The Hebrew lunar year is about eleven days shorter than the solar cycle and uses the 19-year Metonic cycle to bring it into line with the solar cycle, with the addition of an intercalary month every two or three years, for a total of seven times per 19 years."
Hebrew calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Committee concerning the fixing of the Calendar - The Sanhedrin - en

Let me get this straight: You really did not know that our 7 day weekdays do not correspond with the Sabbath days as calculated in the Bible? You actually thought that our "Saturdays" correspond to the "Sabbath" as calculated in the Old Testament?

They don't. If you were REALLY keeping the Sabbath the way it was done in the Old Testament, most of the time it would not fall on Saturday!

It must be slowly dawning on you by now that you have NEVER kept a Biblical Sabbath?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

"The Hebrew or Jewish calendar (הַלּוּחַ הָעִבְרִי, ha'luach ha'ivri) is a lunisolar calendar used today predominantly for Jewish religious observances."
.....
"The Hebrew lunar year is about eleven days shorter than the solar cycle and uses the 19-year Metonic cycle to bring it into line with the solar cycle, with the addition of an intercalary month every two or three years, for a total of seven times per 19 years."
Hebrew calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let me get this straight: You really did not know that our 7 day weekdays do not correspond with the Sabbath days as calculated in the Bible? You actually thought that our "Saturdays" correspond to the "Sabbath" as calculated in the Old Testament?

They don't. If you were REALLY keeping the Sabbath the way it was done in the Old Testament, it would rarely ever fall on Saturday!

Where in your source does it say that the 7 day week was derived from Lunar action. What you have posted above does not say that at all.

Let's go basic and work out way back up. Lunar refers to the moon. The Lunar Cycle gives the month. From one shape of the moon back to the original shape gives the month. There is no Lunar cycle which gives the week. There is no cycle in nature that the week is based on. What does every Sunday have in common?

You have proven nothing with all those sources. There is no explanation for the existence of a seven day week besides God creating that weekly cycle in the beginning. The entire bible alludes to a 7 day week. As someone who is supposed to be bible believing you surprise me. To imply that the seven day week was an invention of the Babylonians and Romans and that it was set up by God is plain disrespectful to the creator. Sure, they gave the names to the days, but they did not come up with the 7 day cycle.

 

[LarryP2]

Where in your source does it say that the 7 day week was derived from Lunar action. What you have posted above does not say that at all.

Let's go basic and work out way back up. Lunar refers to the moon. The Lunar Cycle gives the month. From one shape of the moon back to the original shape gives the month. There is no Lunar cycle which gives the week. There is no cycle in nature that the week is based on. What does every Sunday have in common?

You have proven nothing with all those sources. There is no explanation for the existence of a seven day week besides God creating that weekly cycle in the beginning. The entire bible alludes to a 7 day week. As someone who is supposed to be bible believing you surprise me. To imply that the seven day week was an invention of the Babylonians and Romans and that it was set up by God is plain disrespectful to the creator. Sure, they gave the names to the days, but they did not come up with the 7 day cycle.

The Sabbath days were set by the Sanhedrin for much of the Biblical times. Similarly a newer version of the deliberative body sets the Sabbaths:

"A special court has been established to accept evidence concerning the sighting of the New Moon, as required by Jewish Law. This court is made up of various justices who are assembled to hear evidence as the opportunity permits. The purpose of the court is to increase awareness, develop skills, and resolve halachic issues that arise when determining the Jewish Calendar according to testimony by witnesses."

Committee concerning the fixing of the Calendar - The Sanhedrin - en

Beware of the "Lunar Sabbath"
How to calculate 7th day sabbath ?

"However, in recent years, and amidst the various calendar controversies, questions have arisen in certain circles: Have we been keeping the wrong day? Should the Sabbath count start with the sighting of the new moon? Apparently, some have answered in the affirmative."
Sabbath: Counted From the New Moon? ~ Lunar Sabbath vs. Saturday Sabbath ~

"Is the Seventh-day lunar? The Bible teaches that the holy days are to be calculated by the heavens. Consider Genesis 1:14. "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years."
Sabbath More Fully Lesson 8: Luni-Solar Sabbath Issue

"The Lunar Weekly Sabbath is NOT Saturday or Sunday!
The true weekly Sabbaths are determined by the phases of the moon, not a carnal count of one through seven. (Genesis 1:14 and Psalms 104:19 compared to Leviticus 23:2-3). Let's take a look at the creation Sabbath also known as Lunar Sabbaths.

The Lunar Sabbath is one of the most provable doctrines found in scripture and one of the hardest to get people to take an honest look at. Lunar Sabbaths not only can be conclusively proven from Scripture, but Mathematically, Historically, Scientifically, and from Nature itself."
http://www.lunarsabbath.info/

"The Jewish calendar is based on three astronomical phenomena: the rotation of the Earth about its axis (a day); the revolution of the moon about the Earth (a month); and the revolution of the Earth about the sun (a year). These three phenomena are independent of each other, so there is no direct correlation between them. On average, the moon revolves around the Earth in about 29½ days. The Earth revolves around the sun in about 365¼ days, that is, about 12.4 lunar months.

The civil calendar used by most of the world has abandoned any correlation between the moon cycles and the month, arbitrarily setting the length of months to 28, 30 or 31 days.

The Jewish calendar, however, coordinates all three of these astronomical phenomena. Months are either 29 or 30 days, corresponding to the 29½-day lunar cycle. Years are either 12 or 13 months, corresponding to the 12.4 month solar cycle."

http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm
http://www.worldslastchance.com/yahuwahs-calendar/the-lunar-sabbath.html

"The lunar month on the Jewish calendar begins when the first sliver of moon becomes visible after the dark of the moon. In ancient times, the new months used to be determined by observation. When people observed the new moon, they would notify the Sanhedrin. When the Sanhedrin heard testimony from two independent, reliable eyewitnesses that the new moon occurred on a certain date, they would declare the rosh chodesh (first of the month) and send out messengers to tell people when the month began.

During Temple times and through the Tannaitic period, the Hebrew calendar was observational, with the beginning of each month determined by the high court based on the testimony of witnesses who had observed a new crescent moon."
http://www.feastsofthelord.net/id166.html

"We were under the belief that the traditional Saturday, 7th Day Sabbath was the Day that our Heavenly Father Yahweh made for us to keep. We felt that the Orthodox Yahudim could make no mistakes – Until we were made aware that there was another Day or Way our Forefathers kept the 7th Day Sabbath, to fulfill the 4th Commandment of our Heavenly Father Yahweh."

http://www.yahwehsfeastdaysite.com/feastDays4.asp
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Holidays/Calendar/calendar.html

Here's an honest, and horrified Seventh Day Adventist, swallowing the Biblical Truth about Lunar Sabbaths for the first time:
http://www.lunarsabbath.com/articles/case4LBS.htm

You really were not aware that Judaism always followed God's explicit command in Genesis 1:14? It is absolutely clear that a Biblical Sabbath is calculated using lunar calculations! Always have been, always will be!

 

[from scratch]

The Jews calculated their weeks by observing the Lunar Cycles! You really didn't know that?

Hebrew calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And yes, Judaism acknowledges the input of the Babylonians:

"The present Hebrew calendar is the product of evolution, including a Babylonian influence."
Hebrew calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am just blown away that you think the 7 day week came from Creation!! It has ALWAYS been calculated from the lunar cycle!

"According to the Bible, neither Saturday nor Sunday is the Sabbath! The original calendar described in the Torah and used by Moses was based upon the phases of the Moon, not a continuous weekly cycle. This Lunar Calendar was used for all the feast days, including the weekly Sabbath.

Since the Biblical calendar is based on the moon, it does not correspond to the days of the modern Gregorian Calendar. For example, the Sabbath is not always on Saturday but could be on Wednesday one month, and Thursday the next.

This can have serious economic impacts, as people desiring to follow the Sabbath today according to the Biblical Lunar calendar will find themselves having to ask for days off during the standard Monday-to-Friday work week. This would be not just once or twice a year, but every week. Obviously, such a schedule will not be looked upon favorably by most employers and fellow employees."
The Sabbath Day is Wrong

You do know that you have never kept a biblical Sabbath in your whole life, don't you?

Excellent post. I sometimes post such in response to the Sabbath. I found they refuse to listen and consider the truth. Convenience is everything these days. Yes true Sabbath observance is truly a burden and yoke these days. Even is Saturday was the real Sabbath, it isn't observed by anyone as stated in Ex 20.

 

[LarryP2]

Excellent post. I sometimes post such in response to the Sabbath. I found they refuse to listen and consider the truth. Convenience is everything these days. Yes true Sabbath observance is truly a burden and yoke these days. Even is Saturday was the real Sabbath, it isn't observed by anyone as stated in Ex 20.

Saturday CLEARLY is not the Sabbath! In general, by my calculations, the Sabbath would only fall on Saturday at MOST once every couple of months! And this corresponds with the fiasco of the International Date Line, where poor Adventists line up every week to kiss the ring of the Pope, and celebrate their Sabbath like everyone else, on the Pope's Sabbath, i.e. Sunday:

Putting all this together . . .

"If we start counting our month from this sighting, which that evening would be day one of the month, day fifteen of the month, which would have been Passover Sabbath would be a Thursday. If the month began at the actual invisible phase of the moon, Passover Sabbath could have been as soon as a Tuesday. This means, if it is correct, that the Sabbath in the Jews time does not correspond with our Saturday. Some have argued that it was possible for the Jews to add an extra month. According to JewishEncylopedia.com under "Calendar" we read: "Every two or three years, as the case might be, an extra month was intercalated." It is argued that if another month were added to the previous year, that would extend the Passover date to a possible Saturday timing. This is true, but if we calculate the beginning of the previous year, we find that an extra month would have of necessity already been added. No record indicates the Jews ever added two months."
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"A second objection to a fixed week Sabbath is the problem of the International Date Line. In Tonga, the Seventh-day Adventist church worships on Sunday, because when a change was made to the line (evidently by the King of Tonga), Saturday became Sunday. This makes plain the ridiculousness of drawing an arbitrary line of demarcation between our days. History gives us several examples of this problem"
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"The above picture shows us the shortcomings of our modern way of calculating days. In essence it tells us that man can determine when a day begins and ends. If this is so, then really man can establish or set apart which day Sabbath is, and when it begins and ends. In essence, man places himself in the place of God as the one who sets apart, or sanctifies a day. Even if man did have such authority, the place we have chosen to place the line is inconsistent with the habitation of the globe. Since the West met the East on the shores of the Atlantic, as the Native Americans came over the Bering Strait long before Spanish Americans colonized the Pacific, a line to set apart the days ought really to be down the Atlantic. The whole problem is solved, however, with a lunar calendar."
http://www.lunarsabbath.com/articles/case4LBS.htm

Adventists have never kept the Sabbath according to the Biblical method of calculating Sabbaths. Click on the last link and watch that poor Adventist grapple with the issue of why God never told Ellen White about lunar Sabbaths.....it is hilarious.

 

[from scratch]

Where in your source does it say that the 7 day week was derived from Lunar action. What you have posted above does not say that at all.

Let's go basic and work out way back up. Lunar refers to the moon. The Lunar Cycle gives the month. From one shape of the moon back to the original shape gives the month. There is no Lunar cycle which gives the week. There is no cycle in nature that the week is based on. What does every Sunday have in common?

You have proven nothing with all those sources. There is no explanation for the existence of a seven day week besides God creating that weekly cycle in the beginning. The entire bible alludes to a 7 day week. As someone who is supposed to be bible believing you surprise me. To imply that the seven day week was an invention of the Babylonians and Romans and that it was set up by God is plain disrespectful to the creator. Sure, they gave the names to the days, but they did not come up with the 7 day cycle.

The religious days of Saturday and Sunday are based on different things and for different reasons.

Calling every Saturday the Biblical Sabbath of Ex20 is wrong. The Biblical Sabbath isn't based on the Gregorian calendar as stated. When the Biblical is actually Saturday, its coincidence.

Sunday isn't based on the New Moon calendar or any calendar for that matter. So it doesn't matter in relationship to Jewish holy days. It has its sole basis in the New Covenant. In the New Covenant all religious matters are at the discretion of the individual believer. To simplify things we agree to certain days for our convenience. This isn't permissible with the Sabbath. An interesting thing is the resurrection actually occurred on a Gregorian Sunday and lined up with the New Moon calendar that year. So we can have a regular same day celebration whereas the Sabbath changes because it based on the New Moon calendar which occasionally coincides with the Gregorian calendar.

 

[LarryP2]

The religious days of Saturday and Sunday are based on different things and for different reasons.

Calling every Saturday the Biblical Sabbath of Ex20 is wrong. The Biblical Sabbath isn't based on the Gregorian calendar as stated. When the Biblical is actually Saturday, its coincidence.

Sunday isn't based on the New Moon calendar or any calendar for that matter. So it doesn't matter in relationship to Jewish holy days. It has its sole basis in the New Covenant. In the New Covenant all religious matters are at the discretion of the individual believer. To simplify things we agree to certain days for our convenience. This isn't permissible with the Sabbath. An interesting thing is the resurrection actually occurred on a Gregorian Sunday and lined up with the New Moon calendar that year. So we can have a regular same day celebration whereas the Sabbath changes because it based on the New Moon calendar which occasionally coincides with the Gregorian calendar.

Except at the time of the Resurrection, Christians were using the Roman calendar, which had 8-day weeks. So our "Sunday" probably rarely ever coincides with either the "8th Day" or the "First Day" of the week that the Resurrection actually happened on in the New Testament. Sunday worship is purely a Christian custom with no Biblical mandate whatsoever. It is purely a matter of Christian freedom that evolved into a unanimous custom within the first half of the First Century. In this day and age - when Catholics are having Mass on Saturdays every week; and Tongan and Samoan Seventh Day Adventists are going to church on Sunday; "keeping" any day has probably reached the point of critically-laughable absurdity.

I am persuaded by the Book of Hebrews' argument that our "rest" is now 24/7, much more than the argument that Sunday somehow coincides with the Resurrection. Backing for the Book of Hebrews "continuous rest" argument is completely backed by the Genesis creation story and the endless 7th "Day." If Sunday does not contribute to a fuller-appreciation of the Resurrection, it too should be scuttled. It's of no value if it does not invoke an obsession with the Resurrection.

 

[Dunbar]

The seven day cycle has never changed....duh.

Post Fail!!!

 

[LarryP2]

The seven day cycle has never changed....duh.

Post Fail!!!

Depends on what you mean by that. If you mean our present 7 day week, then NO, that wasn't what was going on in the Old Testament. If you mean four, 7-day "weeks" calculated from the New moon, then yes, although there is that problem of "leftover" days at the end of the month. Some of the Jewish weeks were 8 or 9 days long. Some of the Jewish Sabbaths were 8 or 9 days apart. NEVER would Saturday always be the Sabbath like it is represented to be now.

Present-day Sabbatarians do NOT calculate Sabbaths the way they are required to be set in Genesis.

 

[from scratch]

Depends on what you mean by that. If you mean our present 7 day week, then NO, that wasn't what was going on in the Old Testament. If you mean four, 7-day "weeks" calculated from the New moon, then yes, although there is that problem of "leftover" days at the end of the month. Some of the Jewish weeks were 8 or 9 days long. Some of the Jewish Sabbaths were 8 or 9 days apart. NEVER would Saturday always be the Sabbath like it is represented to be now.

Present-day Sabbatarians do NOT calculate Sabbaths the way they are required to be set in Genesis.

My understanding is the New Moon was treated like a Sabbath.

 

[from scratch]

Except at the time of the Resurrection, Christians were using the Roman calendar, which had 8-day weeks. So our "Sunday" probably rarely ever coincides with either the "8th Day" or the "First Day" of the week that the Resurrection actually happened on in the New Testament. Sunday worship is purely a Christian custom with no Biblical mandate whatsoever. It is purely a matter of Christian freedom that evolved into a unanimous custom within the first half of the First Century. In this day and age - when Catholics are having Mass on Saturdays every week; and Tongan and Samoan Seventh Day Adventists are going to church on Sunday; "keeping" any day has probably reached the point of critically-laughable absurdity.

I am persuaded by the Book of Hebrews' argument that our "rest" is now 24/7, much more than the argument that Sunday somehow coincides with the Resurrection. Backing for the Book of Hebrews "continuous rest" argument is completely backed by the Genesis creation story and the endless 7th "Day." If Sunday does not contribute to a fuller-appreciation of the Resurrection, it too should be scuttled. It's of no value if it does not invoke an obsession with the Resurrection.

In Christianity its the event and not the day we celebrate. Romans and Colossians say it could be any day of our choosing.

 

[Dunbar]

Depends on what you mean by that. If you mean our present 7 day week, then NO, that wasn't what was going on in the Old Testament. If you mean four, 7-day "weeks" calculated from the New moon, then yes, although there is that problem of "leftover" days at the end of the month. Some of the Jewish weeks were 8 or 9 days long. Some of the Jewish Sabbaths were 8 or 9 days apart. NEVER would Saturday always be the Sabbath like it is represented to be now.

Present-day Sabbatarians do NOT calculate Sabbaths the way they are required to be set in Genesis.

Those were special sabbaths that went along with the feasts. The feast of trumpets was ten days long and the 10th day was a special sabbath so that week would have had two in it. The weekly cycle never changed.

 

[LarryP2]

Those were special sabbaths that went along with the feasts. The feast of trumpets was ten days long and the 10th day was a special sabbath so that week would have had two in it. The weekly cycle never changed.

Which is the lunar cycle divided by four. Had they followed our present-day, 7-day, endlessly-repeating week system, there never would have been the problem of "leftover days" at the end of their month. "Leftover Days" do not occur if the week is based on the Seven Days of Creation! EVERYTHING in in the history of Judaism indicates support for my contention.

 

[Dunbar]

Which is the lunar cycle divided by four. NOT from the Seven Days of Creation! EVERYTHING in in the history of Judaism indicates support for my contention.

No it doesn't. Show one time in the last 2000 years where the weekly cycle changed. When Friday was followed by a Monday!

 

[LarryP2]

No it doesn't. Show one time in the last 2000 years where the weekly cycle changed. When Friday was followed by a Monday!

Your response is disingenuous. First and foremost, Judaism did not "name" their days. They numbered them. Second, the lunar calculation - as you are well-aware - existed in Judaism prior to the Greek and Roman occupations. It was the Greek and Romans that instituted what eventually evolved into our "rolling" mathematically-calculated, solar (not lunar) based 7-day week system. There is OVERWHELMING evidence of the Sanhedrin calculating the "start" of the monthly lunar cycle, which thereupon set the monthly "days." Sabbaths ALWAYS fell and fall on the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th day of each lunar month. You just cannot deny that. Very rarely would the true Biblical Sabbath fall on our "Saturday." Which needless to say, was named after the Roman God Saturn.

And yes, along with the Jewish method of calculating the lunar Sabbath days, Judaism also celebrated the New Moon on the first day of the Lunar month:'
Judaism 101: Rosh Chodesh

Again, it is Adventist feast keepers who are demonstrating integrity to their beliefs here by insisting on Lunar Sabbath calculations, along with their insistence on monthly and yearly Sabbaths, all of the Jewish feast days and backyard animal sacrifices.

The Saturday "Sabbath," that Sabbatarians have laughably adopted out of pure convenience, is purely a product of Greek, Babylonian and Roman Paganism! And worst of all, it violates the clear and unmistakable command of Genesis 1:14

New International Version
And God said, "Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

You WOULD agree, wouldn't you that the Sabbath is one of those "sacred days," would you not?

 

[Dunbar]

Your response is disingenuous. First and foremost, Judaism did not "name" their days. They numbered them. Second, the lunar calculation - as you are well-aware - existed in Judaism prior to the Greek and Roman occupations. It was the Greek and Romans that instituted what eventually evolved into our "rolling" 7-day week system. There is OVERWHELMING evidence of the Sanhedrin calculating the "start" of the monthly lunar cycle, which thereupon set the monthly "days." Sabbaths ALWAYS fell and fall on the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th day of each lunar month. You just cannot deny that.

These calculations never voided the 7 day week. Do you think that devout Jews would void their own Law which they worshipped? No they didn't. The way of calculation you describe sounds Babylonian not Jewish.

 

[VictorC]

These calculations never voided the 7 day week. Do you think that devout Jews would void their own Law which they worshipped? No they didn't. The way of calculation you describe sounds Babylonian not Jewish.

I agree with you. I've pointed out in the past how the manna experience and the Sabbath's origin coincident with the manna established the weekly cycle for the children of Israel. It is my contention that getting buried in a non-essential discussion over the weekly cycle has departed very far from your comment made to Elder111, where you pointed out that God's rest wasn't a cycle at all. You guys are burying a valid point and making sure it's never seen by the intended recipient.

 

[LarryP2]

These calculations never voided the 7 day week. Do you think that devout Jews would void their own Law which they worshipped? No they didn't. The way of calculation you describe sounds Babylonian not Jewish.

Typical behavior of a Sabbath Keeper trying to wiggle out of the insurmountable issues of keeping the genuine Old Testament Sabbath. Surely your contention that it is "Babylonian" rather than Jewish is facetious, I hope:

"The civil calendar used by most of the world has abandoned any correlation between the moon cycles and the month, arbitrarily setting the length of months to 28, 30 or 31 days.

The Jewish calendar, however, coordinates all three of these astronomical phenomena. Months are either 29 or 30 days, corresponding to the 29½-day lunar cycle. Years are either 12 or 13 months, corresponding to the 12.4 month solar cycle.

The lunar month on the Jewish calendar begins when the first sliver of moon becomes visible after the dark of the moon. In ancient times, the new months used to be determined by observation. When people observed the new moon, they would notify the Sanhedrin. When the Sanhedrin heard testimony from two independent, reliable eyewitnesses that the new moon occurred on a certain date, they would declare the rosh chodesh (first of the month) and send out messengers to tell people when the month began."
Judaism 101: Jewish Calendar
Hebrew calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Explanation
CALENDAR, HISTORY OF - JewishEncyclopedia.com
The Jewish Calendar | Jewish Virtual Library

"Saturday" Sabbaths are overwhelmingly "Pagan" and strongly unbiblical! Even the name invokes the Roman God Saturn!

I agree with you. I've pointed out in the past how the manna experience and the Sabbath's origin coincident with the manna established the weekly cycle for the children of Israel. It is my contention that getting buried in a non-essential discussion over the weekly cycle has departed very far from your comment made to Elder111, where you pointed out that God's rest wasn't a cycle at all. You guys are burying a valid point and making sure it's never seen by the intended recipient.

That St. Paul or any of the other missionary Apostles would have taken time out during their visits to Athens and Rome to calculate the monthly Sabbath days, as clearly Paul well-knew the Sanhedrin would insist; is just utterly laughable. The impossibility of doing so strongly militates in favor of a theory of Sabbath abandonment either at, or directly after the Resurrection.

What I have done is demonstrate the utter farcical futility of attempting to keep the Old Testament Sabbath, in support of the never-ending nature of God's "Rest" that is promised in the Book of Hebrews. Even the Sunday tradition of Christianity, while not even attempting to be a "Sabbath" in its orientation, has issues in opposition to the never-ending "rest" outlined in Hebrews.

Judaism had always obeyed Genesis 1:14 and its clear and explicit commands on "Holy Day" calculations, until it caved with the adoption of our present Pagan solar calendar - long after the destruction of the Second Temple. Modern Sabbath Keepers are more into sheer convenience and laziness, which makes their 7th day insistence ludicrous. You may as well keep Sunday as Saturday, given the complete lack of biblical basis for a Saturday Sabbath.