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The Lord's day.

The Lord' s day is Sunday.

  • There is biblical evidence that Sunday is the Lord's day.

  • There is no biblical evidence that Sunday is the Lord's day.

  • I don't care if Sunday is the Lord's day or not.


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Heb 4:8-11
8 For if Jesus
(Joshua) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There ....remaineth .....therefore.... a rest.... to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest,.... he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
I have noticed that you did not address the point i have made. Nevertheless, in regards to the above quote, the question must be asked. What do the bible record as God's rest? What works did God cease?
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Ex 20:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, (why) thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 (because) For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
We are all called to rest as God rested ( as Hebrews 4 states). The Sabbath is what the bible speaks of in this regard.
You know, God said it not some confused man.
 
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I have noticed that you did not address the point i have made. Nevertheless, in regards to the above quote, the question must be asked. What do the bible record as God's rest? What works did God cease?
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Ex 20:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, (why) thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 (because) For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
We are all called to rest as God rested ( as Hebrews 4 states). The Sabbath is what the bible speaks of in this regard.
You know, God said it not some confused man.
Why are you not compliant with what you post?
 
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Why are you not compliant with what you post?

They can't be. Gentiles have always been banned from keeping the Sabbath, on penalty of death. See my 3-part analysis of the Mosaic Law system in "The War against the Ten commandments is a colossal fraud"

The argument that Christians must commemorate the 7th day Sabbath is probably one of the largest frauds in history. There is unbroken consistency in First and Second Century Christianity: Sabbath Keeping was denounced, condemned and its adherents excommunicated for committing the heresy of "Judaizing" and the Ebionite heresy.

Sabbath Keeping for 2,000 years has been viewed as completely inconsistent with Christianity. The Sabbath and the Resurrection do not mix.

You can choose the Resurrection. Or you can choose the Mosaic Law.

Choose wisely.
 
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We are all called to rest as God rested ( as Hebrews 4 states). The Sabbath is what the bible speaks of in this regard.
You know, God said it not some confused man.

The ten commandments were given to...ISRAEL. And the book of HEBREWS is to?...you guessed it...THE HEBREWS.

The book of Hebrews has the wilderness wandering in the background (Psalms 78). This book contains magnificent revelations as to the deity of Christ and that same book is filled with types and shadows. Those types are met by the anti-type in Jesus Christ.

The entire book is the perfecting of the saints and there are NO gentiles being compared.


Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving ........let us go on...... unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God....

The book of Philippians is the counter-part for the gentiles.

Phil 3:13-14
13 ....forgetting those things which are behind, and ......reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for ....the prize ....of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.


Those two epistles are about...REWARDS.
 
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LaryP2,

re: "The Sabbath and the Resurrection do not mix."


What do you mean by that statement? They don't mix, how?

The law was a schoolmaster to bring them to faith in Christ. Jesus was made under the law as to His flesh...BUT as a quickening Spirit...He is a NEW beginning as the number eight sets forth in the Scriptures. His resurrection on the eighth day rises...ABOVE the law. To come to faith in Christ the Hebrews MUST forget the law as a schoolmaster. Jesus was the END of the law meaning faith in Him was what the law pointed to. The seventh day turns into an....ETERNAL...Sabbath.
 
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By Faith Alone,

re: " His resurrection on the eighth day..."


I see scriptures that say "on the third day" and "after three days" but none that say "on the eighth day". What do you have in mind?

The eight day is a sign.
In John there were EIGHT signs given.

The first ....was the wedding at Cana (2:1-11) The have no wine.. (He manifested His Glory. The eighth... the draught of fishes (21:1-14). They caught nothing. .
God can supply JOY and SUSTENANCE.
Apart from the Messiah they would have no joy, supplies, blessings...OR Glory.

The second was rulers son (4:46-50)....destitute of all good. and.... the seventh was the sisters brother (11:1-44 (likewise destitute).
This concerns the NATION. They were at the point of death but not yet.

The second was the Impotent Man (5:1-47), and the seventh the Man born Blind (9:1-41).
The Messiah seeketh. It was...SIN..that caused the "disease".

The third....feeding five thousand(Manifesting Himself as CREATOR) (6:1-14), and the fifth.... walking on the sea (Manifesting Himself as Divine)(6:15-21).

The connection between the two:
John 6:23 (Howbeit there came other boats from Tiberias nigh unto the place where they did eat bread, after that the Lord had given thanks:)

These signs were the EARTHLY ministry of the Lord. His RESURRECTED ministry began on the...EIGHT day....Sunday.

He was NOW...THE WAY. He was the seeker...finder...and gatherer of the people of Israel and the resurrection gives the POWER to keep the former promises of old through a future gathering..


I will find the passage that speaks of the day following the Sabbath day. Trying to remember the search terms.
 
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The ten commandments were given to...ISRAEL. And the book of HEBREWS is to?...you guessed it...THE HEBREWS.

The book of Hebrews has the wilderness wandering in the background (Psalms 78). This book contains magnificent revelations as to the deity of Christ and that same book is filled with types and shadows. Those types are met by the anti-type in Jesus Christ.

The entire book is the perfecting of the saints and there are NO gentiles being compared.


Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving ........let us go on...... unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God....

The book of Philippians is the counter-part for the gentiles.

Phil 3:13-14
13 ....forgetting those things which are behind, and ......reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for ....the prize ....of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.


Those two epistles are about...REWARDS.
What happen with the first part? If you knew it was for the Hebrews why did you refer to it?
 
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What are you talking about? I used Hebrews to show the 6th day Sabbath was a shadow of things to come.
Look at my reply again. It was shwon that it was not a shadow but an original given by God.
What is your response to that?
 
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Look at my reply again. It was shwon that it was not a shadow but an original given by God.
What is your response to that?

The seed of SCRIPTURES is in typology and so is the Saturday Sabbath. Typology is NOT restricted to the nation..ISRAEL.
 
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The seed of SCRIPTURES is in typology and so is the Saturday Sabbath. Typology is NOT restricted to the nation..ISRAEL.
The Sabbath is no type, it is the real thing.
According to Colossians 1:16 and Hebrews 1:2, the pre-incarnate Christ was directly involved in the creation process. These texts declare that all created things came into existence through Him. Paul further expresses that Christ had a part in creating invisible things (Col. 1:16-17), which would, of course, include the Sabbath
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
The Sabbath was created by Jesus and for Jesus. So how can we now worship the same Jesus and ignore His Sabbath?
 
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LaryP2,

re: "The Sabbath and the Resurrection do not mix."


What do you mean by that statement? They don't mix, how?

I'll start off with a Baptist position:

"Seventh Day Adventists deny the resurrection by observing the Sabbath. We come to church on Sunday, the Lord's Day, to worship Him who "died for our sins, and rose again for our justification." We worship a living Savior, and with thanksgiving, can sing:
"He lives, He lives, Christ Jesus lives today!"
If I worship Christ on Saturday I deny that His work is finished, that He is a resurrected, living Savior."
Why I Am A Baptist And Not A Seventh Day Adventist

Seventh Day Adventist posts demanding that Christians keep the Sabbath overwhelmingly outnumber their posts on the Resurrection and the Grace that it delivered once and for all. Their "Sabbath" posts outnumber their "Resurrection" posts approximately 500,000 to one. Why this heretical behaviiro is allowed on a Christian website is just mystifying, especially when the history of Christianity is so clear: Sabbath Keeping was fought as an evil, anti-Christian heresy from the beginning of Christianity.

That is the unanimous position of the First and Second Century Church Fathers who were discipled by the Apostles. Sabbath Keeping was seen from the beginning as a Satanic, anti-Christian heresy. The heresy went by a number of names such as Galatians, Ebionite, and Judaizing heresies. These heresies were forcibly denounced, condemned and excommunicated from the beginnings of Christianity. Ignatius of Antioch, who was directly discipled by both the Apostle John, and the Apostle Peter, who Ignatius replaced as Bishop of Antioch, fought hard to keep the Christian fellowship united:

"As therefore the Lord did nothing without the Father, being united to Him, neither by Himself nor by the apostles, so neither do anything without the bishop and presbyters. Neither endeavor that anything appear reasonable and proper to yourselves apart; but being come together into the same place, let there be one prayer, one supplication, one mind, one hope, in love and in joy undefined.

The deceptive Judaizing/Ebionite Sabbath-Keeping heresy was the prime anti-Christian force within the late-First and early-second Century Christianity:

"Be not deceived with strange doctrines, nor with old fables, which are unprofitable. For if we still live according to the Jewish law, we acknowledge that we have not received grace."

Thus, any attempt to follow the Mosaic law was seen as directly contrary to the explicit instructions of the Apostles:

"If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death— whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master...."
LETTER TO THE MAGNESIUMS
CHURCH FATHERS: Epistle to the Magnesians (St. Ignatius)

This brave martyr for Christ was on his way to be fed to the lions at the Roman Coliseum in AD 107 when this letter was written. It was the unanimous view of the Early Christian Church and was repeated constantly. The dangerous, anti-Christian evil of Sabbath Keeping was fought tooth and nail by these brave men, as contrary to the Resurrection and the New Birth of Christianity.
 
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The Sabbath is no type, it is the real thing.
According to Colossians 1:16 and Hebrews 1:2, the pre-incarnate Christ was directly involved in the creation process. These texts declare that all created things came into existence through Him. Paul further expresses that Christ had a part in creating invisible things (Col. 1:16-17), which would, of course, include the Sabbath
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
The Sabbath was created by Jesus and for Jesus. So how can we now worship the same Jesus and ignore His Sabbath?
When I read Revelation 4 and 5 I believe you have your pronouns mixed up.
 
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I have been studying Revelation chapter1 and of course came across verse 10.
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Here John does not explain what he means by the Lord's day but a look at the Greek shows: Kyriakos (-rē-ä-ko's) meaning belonging to the Lord /related to the Lord.
Most of us christians accept without question that this refers to Sunday. I was listening to Kay Arthur of Precept Ministries sometime ago and she said that it meant Sunday and that she would give the evidence for it, but I never heard her evidence.
It there any biblical support for assuming that the Lord's day is Sunday? I have seen none, not one!

REV.1 [7] Behold, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of THE EARTH SHALL WAIL because of him. Even so, Amen.[8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.[9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.[10] I was in the Spirit on THE LORD'S DAY, and heard behind me a GREAT VOICE, as of A TRUMPET,

he cometh with clouds - of a trumpet - the Lord's day - a great voice - the earth shall wail

ZEPH.1 [14] The great DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even THE VOICE of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall CRY THERE BITTERLY.[15] That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a DAY OF CLOUDS and thick darkness,[16] A day of THE TRUMPET and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers

a day of clouds - of the trumpet - The great day of the LORD - even the voice - man shall cry there bitterly


Its not sunday. Its the Day of the Lord. Today someone told me there were 2 Days of the Lords{so as their rapture would fit into scripture}. Im still laughing ^_^
 
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Its not sunday. Its the Day of the Lord. Today someone told me there were 2 Days of the Lords{so as their rapture would fit into scripture}. Im still laughing ^_^

Sorry, you are wrong on that. I have now read everything I can find that was written by the First and Second Century Church Fathers. It doesn't matter if they were in isolated India with no contact to the Apostles. Unanimously, the "lord's day" in hundreds of entries is ALWAYS Sunday. When they want to say the "Sabbath," they DO. From 50 AD on, the "Lord's Day" is unanimously distinguished from the "Sabbath."
 
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Sorry, you are wrong on that. I have now read everything I can find that was written by the First and Second Century Church Fathers. It doesn't matter if they were in isolated India with no contact to the Apostles. Unanimously, the "lord's day" in hundreds of entries is ALWAYS Sunday. When they want to say the "Sabbath," they DO. From 50 AD on, the "Lord's Day" is unanimously distinguished from the "Sabbath."

In the book of Revelation the day of the Lord and the Lord's day is the same as saying a house made of wood and a wooden house. Before I figured out there was no difference my wife and I settled on a brick home to cut down the argument.
 
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REV.1 [7] Behold, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of THE EARTH SHALL WAIL because of him. Even so, Amen.[8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.[9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.[10] I was in the Spirit on THE LORD'S DAY, and heard behind me a GREAT VOICE, as of A TRUMPET,

he cometh with clouds - of a trumpet - the Lord's day - a great voice - the earth shall wail

ZEPH.1 [14] The great DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even THE VOICE of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall CRY THERE BITTERLY.[15] That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a DAY OF CLOUDS and thick darkness,[16] A day of THE TRUMPET and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers

a day of clouds - of the trumpet - The great day of the LORD - even the voice - man shall cry there bitterly


Its not sunday. Its the Day of the Lord. Today someone told me there were 2 Days of the Lords{so as their rapture would fit into scripture}. Im still laughing ^_^

Say its been a long time of no see em. Where ya been hiding out?
 
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