Of course your past, present, and future sins are already forgiven! (Moved)

[Frogster]

Of course your past, present and future sins are forgiven, they have to be, or else Christ would have to suffer often, even now for the new sins, commited even by those of people being born today, who will sin.

But, It says eternal redemption in Hebrews 9:12.

If it were not so, then whenever one sinned, even tomorrow, there would have to be a suffering Christ again, to cover a persons “new sin’. But eternal redemption means the future sins are already forgiven too, unless people think Christ wants to be recrucified?

The repeated sins would need another sacrifice, only if the one time, for all sins sacrifice, was not an eternal sacrifice.

That’s why Hebrews 10:18, says where there has been forgiveness, no more sacrifices are needed, not OT ones, or that of our Lord on the cross. It is done, Jesus has>>

Hebrews 9:12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.

People say the cross went backwards in time in Rom 3:25, to the previously overlooked sins. Ok, why can’t the cross go foward also, to future sins?

Again, if the one time atonement was not eternal, a one time event, to take away all sins from believers, the text shows that He would have to>>>>



Hebrews 9:25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Verse 26 says once for all, put away sin, that would mean even future sins!


It has to be, there is no other conclusion.

If it were not eternal, like in the temple times, annual and daily offerings would have to continue to keep covering new sins, but that is not so with the eternal redemption, Christ secured. No more daily or yearly sacrifices, temple ways, we have eternal redemption forever! Sin forever removed, not covered!

Than you Jesus! The lamb of God who took away the sin!

 

[FerventDisciple]

Forgiven before confession? Sounds like the hyper grace Dr Michael Brown has recently released a book on.

 

[turned around]

Hi,
Colossians 2:13; And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses.

Grace to you.

 

[Messy]

Of course future sins were forgiven 2000 years ago, but it won't profit us much if we don't ask for forgiveness.

 

[pyramid33]

No, we are not free to sin.

 

[turned around]

Hi,
Sure does empower me to walk, and be led by the Spirit though.

Grace to you.

 

[gideons300]

Hi,
Sure does empower me to walk, and be led by the Spirit though.

Grace to you.

I would agree that it should, but does it work that way? If we examine our walks, here is the Bible's truth. If we are walking in the Spirit, we WILL NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh. That is a promise.

Each needs to examine their own heart, and I make no individual examinations, but overall, I think it evident that the vast majority of even Spirit-filled churches know nothing of such a walk. As a matter of fact, by our very confessions, we do not even believe such a work inside us as even possible. We have, like Israel in the wilderness, limited the Holy one of Israel with our unbelief. We too have wandered in the wilderness and tried to make it ok that we stay there and convince ourselves that since the manna is still falling, that it must mean that God is well pleased with us. But God has promised us our own promised land, the ability to overcome the world, the flesh and the devil, walking pleasing to Him as living sacrifices....ands loving it.

But how we resist. Instead of looking at the promises and 'judging ourselves', as we see the gap between how we walk and how we are promised God will cause us to walk, we have rested content with positional holiness, and fallen back on our mantra that 'no one is perfect'.

The day is approaching in the valley of decision. We have two choices once the coming shaking occurs. Either we will lose our lives to allow His to overflow in us, or we will ignore the warnings of continuing in sin, hold fast to OUR rights of reigning over ourselves, and convince ourselves that all is well, because our sins are just "slips", and even our lack of repentance is a sin that was covered and forgiven. It is the best of the best of satan's lies, as a last gasp effort to keep believers from awakening to who we are in Christ.

Satan is very slick. The very ones deceiving are themselves deceived. But when Jesus says on that final day "Depart from me, ALL YE that work iniquity", all means all, even the ones that say "Lord, Lord".

If we do sin? (Note: Not when we sin, but IF) If we sin, we have an advocate, agreed. And the word says that if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

Now, hyper-grace teaches that this is not required, for what happens if we "forget" to repent of a sin? But listen! Do we not have the Spirit inside, and what does the Spirit do? He corrects. And if we do not listen? He chastens. His job is to create Christ inside us, and we are told that if we are not chastened, we are not sons. Ouch.

So, it is impossible to not be chastened by the Spirit of God if sin is in us, unless we refuse to relent and repent and it gets to the point that we can no longer hear Him. Then what happens is that our hearts become increasingly hardened by our resisting of the Spirit, and the danger of falling away is great.

Obedience was never done away with under the new covenant. God has promised us that He will "cause us" to will and to do of His good pleasure. But in these final days, the enemy has come in like a flood, infecting the church with a false assurance that turns the grace of God into lasciviousness, or a license to sin and still make heaven. Is it any wonder the world sees us as hypocrites?

There is no brokenness here. No hungering and thirsting for righteousness. No need for a desire to be holy. Walking as living sacrifices is scoffed at as "ascetic legalism" and they teach that the deep desire of God, that we know HOW to possess our vessels in sanctification and honor, are thought of false teachings and trying to work for ones salvation. Wolves is sheep's clothing are playing on the our failures to walk in victory in our old natures, and to assure us that all is well, so that we will STAY in our old natures.

But in these last days, God is lifting up a standard against the lies and hardness of heart that has become so prevalent in recent times. What is the standard?

"Let ALL who name the name of the Lord depart from iniquity."

The legalists had their day and failed. We must be holy. We cannot be holy. Not by our efforts.

The hyper-grace teachers share that Jesus is holy for us, so we can live as we please, and no matter how we live, God now winks at our sins that are unavoidable.

But, in the end, neither one leads to life. Neither one brings us to the FREE INDEED that our Jesus promised us, for He Himself said as clearly as He possibly could that he that commits sin is a slave to it, and not free at all.

The only freedom, REAL freedom, is getting rid of a sin nature that wants to remain in charge. It is called our old man, our flesh and the path to overcoming is found only in our getting rid of it. This is what our faithful God is doing in these last days, awakening His bride as to HOW to walk as He desires. It is wonderful, it is an easy yoke. It is called "putting on the new man" and it is the ONLY way to see Jesus make us fruitful branches. Paul said "Nothing profits but a new creature." Oh, that we might finally break and believe Him!

It is time we get on our knees, admitting that we need the power of God's very Son IN US, with us dead, to overcome the world, the flesh and the devil. It is time we cry out for ears to hear, and eyes to see so that we might walk in newness of life and recover ourselves from the snare of the devil. The truth is right in front of us, but our hardened hearts cannot perceive it.....yet.

But mark my words, it is coming, and we will rejoice is what God will do in us and through us. Only then will we look back on how we lived and shame will cover us for our haughty religious contentment, with self-will still ruling and reigning. But even that shame, God will wash away with tears of joy and gladness at our coming home, prodigals who finally "came to themselves" and returned to the Father as willing bond-servants. He is coming for us, and He has promised to get us ready for the wedding. Praise our amazing God.

It is time we light our lamps and put on our new man.

Blessings,

Gideon

 

[murjahel]

Romans 6:1-23 (KJV)
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

WHEN WE BECAME A CHRISTIAN, WE WERE BAPTIZED INTO THE SAME DEATH AS JESUS, HE TOOK OUR SINS AWAY, AND WE WERE RAISED UP FROM THAT IMMERSION INTO HIS DEATH, INTO NEW LIFE. IF THAT HAPPENED TRULY, WE ARE NOW A NEW CREATION THAT DOES NOT WANT TO SIN. SO IF SIN IS STILL PRESENT AND TOLERATED, IT SERIOUSLY BRINGS INTO QUESTION IF WE TRULY ARE SAVED. THERE SHOULD BE FRUIT OF GRACE ABOUNDING IN THIS 'NEW CREATION' WE ARE RAISED TO...


4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

ARE WE RAISED TO NEW LIFE, DO WE LIVE A 'CHRIST-LIKE' LIFE, OR IS SIN STILL TOLERATED, AND WHEN WE ERR DO WE CONTINUE IN IT, OR REGRET AND REPENT OF IT? WE SHOULD BE 'RESURRECTED' SPIRITUALLY INTO GODLY LIVING. WE SHOULD HAVE A REPENTANT (a change of mind toward sin) HEART. THE REPENTANT HEART IS PROVEN BY THE WALKING IN NEWNESS OF LIFE, NOT BY WALKING IN SIN AS BEFORE... IF THE PROOF IS NOT EVIDENT, IT SHOWS THERE IS NO NEWNESS OF LIFE THERE.

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

THE OLD MAN IS CRUCIFIED, DEAD, DESTROYED, AND NOT SERVING SIN AS BEFORE. TO CLAIM THIS SALVATION AND EVEN TO BE WANTING TO JUSTIFY SIN IN ONE'S LIFE IS PROOF THEY DO NOT HAVE A 'DEAD OLD MAN'. IF THE OLD MAN IS SINNING, HE IS NOT DEAD.


7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

THE LACK OF SIN, THE LACK OF JUSTIFYING OUR OCCASIONAL SLIPS INTO IT, IS PROOF WE ARE FREED FROM IT. THE JUSTIFYING OF SINS, THE CONDONING OF SINS STILL RAMPANT IN US, THE LACK OF REMORSE FOR MISSING THE TARGET WE ARE AIMING AT, IS PROOF WE ARE NOT FREED FROM SIN.


8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

THE TRUE PRESENCE OF SALVATION MAKES US HAVE A CHANGE OF HEART TOWARD SIN, WE LIVE IN JESUS, WE THINK AS HE DID ABOUT SIN, WE HAVE A CHANGE OF HEART ABOUT SIN, WE LIVE 'WITH HIM'. SIN NO LONGER HAS DOMINION OVER US. AS JOHN SAID IN HIS EPISTLE TO CHRISTIANS, THAT 'if we say we have no sin, we lie', SO WE OCCASIONALLY, IN THIS FLESHLY BODY WILL FAIL UNINTENTIONALLY, BUT WE HAVE A CHANGE OF MIND, NO LONGER UNDER THAT DOMINION OF SIN, AND WE 'CONFESS' THEM, AND ARE CONTINUALLY CLEANSED FROM THOSE SINS WHICH NO LONGER HAVE DOMINION. IF SIN HAS DOMINION, THEN WE DO NOT HAVE THIS RISEN AGAIN IN CHRIST RELATIONSHIP.


10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

WE ARE TO RECKON DAILY TO NOT LET SIN REIGN. WE MAY STUMBLE, BUT OUR RECKONING REMAINS THE SAME, STILL DETERMINING THAT WE WERE SAVED BY HIS WORK ONLY, NOT BY OUR OWN, BUT SINCE WE ARE NOW RESURRECTED IN HIM, WE CHOOSE TO REFUSE TO LET SIN REIGN IN US, NOR TO OBEY THE STILL PRESENT 'LUSTS' THEREOF.


13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

NOW THAT WE ARE UNDER GRACE, DOES THAT GIVE US RIGHT TO SIN, AND NOT BE REPENTANT, REGRETFUL OF IT? CAN WE CONDONE SIN, AND CLAIM A PAST EXPERIENCE AS REASON TO COMMIT SIN, UNREPENTANTLY? PAUL SAYS 'NO' PAUL SAYS 'GOD FORBID', AND GOD DOES FORBID THAT GNOSTIC IDEA THAT SIN CAN BE CONDONED IN THOSE WITHIN GRACE. SIN NO LONGER HAS 'DOMINION' OR RULE OVER US. WE MAY FAIL, BUT SIN GOD HAS DOMINION, WE RETURN TO HIS RULE, WE REGRET OUR FAILURES, NOT CONDONING OR ALLOWING THEM UNREPENTANTLY.



16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

THOSE WHO YIELD, CONDONE, AND ACCEPT THE PRESENCE OF SIN UNREPENTANTLY AFTER SALVATION, HAVE MADE THEMSELVES TO AGAIN BE 'SERVANTS OF SIN', AND THEY 'OBEY' THEN SIN, TO THE END BEING 'DEATH'. THE OBEDIENCE TO THE NEW NATURE, THE LIVING AWAY FROM SIN, AND REGRETFUL, REPENTANT OF IT WHEN WE FALL INTO IT, ALLOWS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS TO RULE OUR LIVES, PROVING WE ARE NOT SERVANTS OF SIN ANY LONGER.



17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

NOW BEING SAVED, AND IN THIS NEW LIFE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS GIVEN BY A MERCIFUL GOD, WE PROVE IT BY NOT BEING SERVANTS OF SIN, NOT YIELDING TO UNCLEANNESS, NOT GOING FROM INIQUITY TO INIQUITY. IF WE ARE STILL 'SERVANTS OF SIN', WE ARE NOT 'SERVANTS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.' THE FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS PROOF OF THE SALVATION THAT CAME BY GRACE. THE FRUIT OF SIN, PROVES ONE IS STILL A SERVANT OF SIN. THEREFORE WHEN HARMARIA, UNINTENTIONAL SIN, IS FOUND IN OUR LIVES, WE QUICKLY REPENT AND REMAIN IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.



21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

SALVATION IS A GIFT, ONE THAT IS NOT FORCED UPON US, BUT WHEN WE FREELY ACCEPT THAT GIFT, IT CHANGES OUR NATURE. WE BECOME 'SERVANTS' TO GOD, WE HAVE THE 'FRUIT OF HOLINESS'. THOSE WHO CONDONE SIN, WHO NO LONGER REPENT FAILURES THAT ARE UNINTENTIONAL, PROVE THAT THEY ARE BEARING FRUIT THAT IDENTIFIES THEIR TREE AS NOT BEING THE 'TREE' THEY CLAIM TO BE. SIN STILL PAYS WAGES, EVEN AFTER SALVATION... WE ARE NOT DOOMED BY UNINTENTIONAL SINS, WE ARE DOOMED IF WE TURN FROM JESUS, REJECT HIS PLAN OF US NO LONGER SERVING SIN, AND WE SERVE SIN, CONDONE SIN, DO NOT REGRET SIN, AND THEREBY DENY OUR LORD'S SALVATION.

 

[gideons300]

Romans 6:1-23 (KJV)
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

WHEN WE BECAME A CHRISTIAN, WE WERE BAPTIZED INTO THE SAME DEATH AS JESUS, HE TOOK OUR SINS AWAY, AND WE WERE RAISED UP FROM THAT IMMERSION INTO HIS DEATH, INTO NEW LIFE. IF THAT HAPPENED TRULY, WE ARE NOW A NEW CREATION THAT DOES NOT WANT TO SIN. SO IF SIN IS STILL PRESENT AND TOLERATED, IT SERIOUSLY BRINGS INTO QUESTION IF WE TRULY ARE SAVED. THERE SHOULD BE FRUIT OF GRACE ABOUNDING IN THIS 'NEW CREATION' WE ARE RAISED TO...


4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

ARE WE RAISED TO NEW LIFE, DO WE LIVE A 'CHRIST-LIKE' LIFE, OR IS SIN STILL TOLERATED, AND WHEN WE ERR DO WE CONTINUE IN IT, OR REGRET AND REPENT OF IT? WE SHOULD BE 'RESURRECTED' SPIRITUALLY INTO GODLY LIVING. WE SHOULD HAVE A REPENTANT (a change of mind toward sin) HEART. THE REPENTANT HEART IS PROVEN BY THE WALKING IN NEWNESS OF LIFE, NOT BY WALKING IN SIN AS BEFORE... IF THE PROOF IS NOT EVIDENT, IT SHOWS THERE IS NO NEWNESS OF LIFE THERE.

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

THE OLD MAN IS CRUCIFIED, DEAD, DESTROYED, AND NOT SERVING SIN AS BEFORE. TO CLAIM THIS SALVATION AND EVEN TO BE WANTING TO JUSTIFY SIN IN ONE'S LIFE IS PROOF THEY DO NOT HAVE A 'DEAD OLD MAN'. IF THE OLD MAN IS SINNING, HE IS NOT DEAD.


7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

THE LACK OF SIN, THE LACK OF JUSTIFYING OUR OCCASIONAL SLIPS INTO IT, IS PROOF WE ARE FREED FROM IT. THE JUSTIFYING OF SINS, THE CONDONING OF SINS STILL RAMPANT IN US, THE LACK OF REMORSE FOR MISSING THE TARGET WE ARE AIMING AT, IS PROOF WE ARE NOT FREED FROM SIN.


8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

THE TRUE PRESENCE OF SALVATION MAKES US HAVE A CHANGE OF HEART TOWARD SIN, WE LIVE IN JESUS, WE THINK AS HE DID ABOUT SIN, WE HAVE A CHANGE OF HEART ABOUT SIN, WE LIVE 'WITH HIM'. SIN NO LONGER HAS DOMINION OVER US. AS JOHN SAID IN HIS EPISTLE TO CHRISTIANS, THAT 'if we say we have no sin, we lie', SO WE OCCASIONALLY, IN THIS FLESHLY BODY WILL FAIL UNINTENTIONALLY, BUT WE HAVE A CHANGE OF MIND, NO LONGER UNDER THAT DOMINION OF SIN, AND WE 'CONFESS' THEM, AND ARE CONTINUALLY CLEANSED FROM THOSE SINS WHICH NO LONGER HAVE DOMINION. IF SIN HAS DOMINION, THEN WE DO NOT HAVE THIS RISEN AGAIN IN CHRIST RELATIONSHIP.


10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

WE ARE TO RECKON DAILY TO NOT LET SIN REIGN. WE MAY STUMBLE, BUT OUR RECKONING REMAINS THE SAME, STILL DETERMINING THAT WE WERE SAVED BY HIS WORK ONLY, NOT BY OUR OWN, BUT SINCE WE ARE NOW RESURRECTED IN HIM, WE CHOOSE TO REFUSE TO LET SIN REIGN IN US, NOR TO OBEY THE STILL PRESENT 'LUSTS' THEREOF.


13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

NOW THAT WE ARE UNDER GRACE, DOES THAT GIVE US RIGHT TO SIN, AND NOT BE REPENTANT, REGRETFUL OF IT? CAN WE CONDONE SIN, AND CLAIM A PAST EXPERIENCE AS REASON TO COMMIT SIN, UNREPENTANTLY? PAUL SAYS 'NO' PAUL SAYS 'GOD FORBID', AND GOD DOES FORBID THAT GNOSTIC IDEA THAT SIN CAN BE CONDONED IN THOSE WITHIN GRACE. SIN NO LONGER HAS 'DOMINION' OR RULE OVER US. WE MAY FAIL, BUT SIN GOD HAS DOMINION, WE RETURN TO HIS RULE, WE REGRET OUR FAILURES, NOT CONDONING OR ALLOWING THEM UNREPENTANTLY.



16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

THOSE WHO YIELD, CONDONE, AND ACCEPT THE PRESENCE OF SIN UNREPENTANTLY AFTER SALVATION, HAVE MADE THEMSELVES TO AGAIN BE 'SERVANTS OF SIN', AND THEY 'OBEY' THEN SIN, TO THE END BEING 'DEATH'. THE OBEDIENCE TO THE NEW NATURE, THE LIVING AWAY FROM SIN, AND REGRETFUL, REPENTANT OF IT WHEN WE FALL INTO IT, ALLOWS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS TO RULE OUR LIVES, PROVING WE ARE NOT SERVANTS OF SIN ANY LONGER.



17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

NOW BEING SAVED, AND IN THIS NEW LIFE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS GIVEN BY A MERCIFUL GOD, WE PROVE IT BY NOT BEING SERVANTS OF SIN, NOT YIELDING TO UNCLEANNESS, NOT GOING FROM INIQUITY TO INIQUITY. IF WE ARE STILL 'SERVANTS OF SIN', WE ARE NOT 'SERVANTS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.' THE FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS PROOF OF THE SALVATION THAT CAME BY GRACE. THE FRUIT OF SIN, PROVES ONE IS STILL A SERVANT OF SIN. THEREFORE WHEN HARMARIA, UNINTENTIONAL SIN, IS FOUND IN OUR LIVES, WE QUICKLY REPENT AND REMAIN IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.



21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

SALVATION IS A GIFT, ONE THAT IS NOT FORCED UPON US, BUT WHEN WE FREELY ACCEPT THAT GIFT, IT CHANGES OUR NATURE. WE BECOME 'SERVANTS' TO GOD, WE HAVE THE 'FRUIT OF HOLINESS'. THOSE WHO CONDONE SIN, WHO NO LONGER REPENT FAILURES THAT ARE UNINTENTIONAL, PROVE THAT THEY ARE BEARING FRUIT THAT IDENTIFIES THEIR TREE AS NOT BEING THE 'TREE' THEY CLAIM TO BE. SIN STILL PAYS WAGES, EVEN AFTER SALVATION... WE ARE NOT DOOMED BY UNINTENTIONAL SINS, WE ARE DOOMED IF WE TURN FROM JESUS, REJECT HIS PLAN OF US NO LONGER SERVING SIN, AND WE SERVE SIN, CONDONE SIN, DO NOT REGRET SIN, AND THEREBY DENY OUR LORD'S SALVATION.

Amazingly clear, wonderfully thought out post. Kudos, dear brother.

Gids

 

[Frogster]

Romans 6:1-23 (KJV)
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

WHEN WE BECAME A CHRISTIAN, WE WERE BAPTIZED INTO THE SAME DEATH AS JESUS, HE TOOK OUR SINS AWAY, AND WE WERE RAISED UP FROM THAT IMMERSION INTO HIS DEATH, INTO NEW LIFE. IF THAT HAPPENED TRULY, WE ARE NOW A NEW CREATION THAT DOES NOT WANT TO SIN. SO IF SIN IS STILL PRESENT AND TOLERATED, IT SERIOUSLY BRINGS INTO QUESTION IF WE TRULY ARE SAVED. THERE SHOULD BE FRUIT OF GRACE ABOUNDING IN THIS 'NEW CREATION' WE ARE RAISED TO...


4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

ARE WE RAISED TO NEW LIFE, DO WE LIVE A 'CHRIST-LIKE' LIFE, OR IS SIN STILL TOLERATED, AND WHEN WE ERR DO WE CONTINUE IN IT, OR REGRET AND REPENT OF IT? WE SHOULD BE 'RESURRECTED' SPIRITUALLY INTO GODLY LIVING. WE SHOULD HAVE A REPENTANT (a change of mind toward sin) HEART. THE REPENTANT HEART IS PROVEN BY THE WALKING IN NEWNESS OF LIFE, NOT BY WALKING IN SIN AS BEFORE... IF THE PROOF IS NOT EVIDENT, IT SHOWS THERE IS NO NEWNESS OF LIFE THERE.

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

THE OLD MAN IS CRUCIFIED, DEAD, DESTROYED, AND NOT SERVING SIN AS BEFORE. TO CLAIM THIS SALVATION AND EVEN TO BE WANTING TO JUSTIFY SIN IN ONE'S LIFE IS PROOF THEY DO NOT HAVE A 'DEAD OLD MAN'. IF THE OLD MAN IS SINNING, HE IS NOT DEAD.


7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

THE LACK OF SIN, THE LACK OF JUSTIFYING OUR OCCASIONAL SLIPS INTO IT, IS PROOF WE ARE FREED FROM IT. THE JUSTIFYING OF SINS, THE CONDONING OF SINS STILL RAMPANT IN US, THE LACK OF REMORSE FOR MISSING THE TARGET WE ARE AIMING AT, IS PROOF WE ARE NOT FREED FROM SIN.


8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

THE TRUE PRESENCE OF SALVATION MAKES US HAVE A CHANGE OF HEART TOWARD SIN, WE LIVE IN JESUS, WE THINK AS HE DID ABOUT SIN, WE HAVE A CHANGE OF HEART ABOUT SIN, WE LIVE 'WITH HIM'. SIN NO LONGER HAS DOMINION OVER US. AS JOHN SAID IN HIS EPISTLE TO CHRISTIANS, THAT 'if we say we have no sin, we lie', SO WE OCCASIONALLY, IN THIS FLESHLY BODY WILL FAIL UNINTENTIONALLY, BUT WE HAVE A CHANGE OF MIND, NO LONGER UNDER THAT DOMINION OF SIN, AND WE 'CONFESS' THEM, AND ARE CONTINUALLY CLEANSED FROM THOSE SINS WHICH NO LONGER HAVE DOMINION. IF SIN HAS DOMINION, THEN WE DO NOT HAVE THIS RISEN AGAIN IN CHRIST RELATIONSHIP.


10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

WE ARE TO RECKON DAILY TO NOT LET SIN REIGN. WE MAY STUMBLE, BUT OUR RECKONING REMAINS THE SAME, STILL DETERMINING THAT WE WERE SAVED BY HIS WORK ONLY, NOT BY OUR OWN, BUT SINCE WE ARE NOW RESURRECTED IN HIM, WE CHOOSE TO REFUSE TO LET SIN REIGN IN US, NOR TO OBEY THE STILL PRESENT 'LUSTS' THEREOF.


13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

NOW THAT WE ARE UNDER GRACE, DOES THAT GIVE US RIGHT TO SIN, AND NOT BE REPENTANT, REGRETFUL OF IT? CAN WE CONDONE SIN, AND CLAIM A PAST EXPERIENCE AS REASON TO COMMIT SIN, UNREPENTANTLY? PAUL SAYS 'NO' PAUL SAYS 'GOD FORBID', AND GOD DOES FORBID THAT GNOSTIC IDEA THAT SIN CAN BE CONDONED IN THOSE WITHIN GRACE. SIN NO LONGER HAS 'DOMINION' OR RULE OVER US. WE MAY FAIL, BUT SIN GOD HAS DOMINION, WE RETURN TO HIS RULE, WE REGRET OUR FAILURES, NOT CONDONING OR ALLOWING THEM UNREPENTANTLY.



16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

THOSE WHO YIELD, CONDONE, AND ACCEPT THE PRESENCE OF SIN UNREPENTANTLY AFTER SALVATION, HAVE MADE THEMSELVES TO AGAIN BE 'SERVANTS OF SIN', AND THEY 'OBEY' THEN SIN, TO THE END BEING 'DEATH'. THE OBEDIENCE TO THE NEW NATURE, THE LIVING AWAY FROM SIN, AND REGRETFUL, REPENTANT OF IT WHEN WE FALL INTO IT, ALLOWS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS TO RULE OUR LIVES, PROVING WE ARE NOT SERVANTS OF SIN ANY LONGER.



17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

NOW BEING SAVED, AND IN THIS NEW LIFE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS GIVEN BY A MERCIFUL GOD, WE PROVE IT BY NOT BEING SERVANTS OF SIN, NOT YIELDING TO UNCLEANNESS, NOT GOING FROM INIQUITY TO INIQUITY. IF WE ARE STILL 'SERVANTS OF SIN', WE ARE NOT 'SERVANTS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.' THE FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS PROOF OF THE SALVATION THAT CAME BY GRACE. THE FRUIT OF SIN, PROVES ONE IS STILL A SERVANT OF SIN. THEREFORE WHEN HARMARIA, UNINTENTIONAL SIN, IS FOUND IN OUR LIVES, WE QUICKLY REPENT AND REMAIN IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.



21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

SALVATION IS A GIFT, ONE THAT IS NOT FORCED UPON US, BUT WHEN WE FREELY ACCEPT THAT GIFT, IT CHANGES OUR NATURE. WE BECOME 'SERVANTS' TO GOD, WE HAVE THE 'FRUIT OF HOLINESS'. THOSE WHO CONDONE SIN, WHO NO LONGER REPENT FAILURES THAT ARE UNINTENTIONAL, PROVE THAT THEY ARE BEARING FRUIT THAT IDENTIFIES THEIR TREE AS NOT BEING THE 'TREE' THEY CLAIM TO BE. SIN STILL PAYS WAGES, EVEN AFTER SALVATION... WE ARE NOT DOOMED BY UNINTENTIONAL SINS, WE ARE DOOMED IF WE TURN FROM JESUS, REJECT HIS PLAN OF US NO LONGER SERVING SIN, AND WE SERVE SIN, CONDONE SIN, DO NOT REGRET SIN, AND THEREBY DENY OUR LORD'S SALVATION.

Sorry, but you are not covering the point. No one is saying to go around being in the flesh. But you are not covering my point, eternal redemption.

Did the cross only go backwards in Rom 3:25.

Did the one act of the cross, not take care of future sins too?

Why does it say in 9:26 what it says?

Took away sin...away....

 

[Frogster]

I would agree that it should, but does it work that way? If we examine our walks, here is the Bible's truth. If we are walking in the Spirit, we WILL NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh. That is a promise.

Each needs to examine their own heart, and I make no individual examinations, but overall, I think it evident that the vast majority of even Spirit-filled churches know nothing of such a walk. As a matter of fact, by our very confessions, we do not even believe such a work inside us as even possible. We have, like Israel in the wilderness, limited the Holy one of Israel with our unbelief. We too have wandered in the wilderness and tried to make it ok that we stay there and convince ourselves that since the manna is still falling, that it must mean that God is well pleased with us. But God has promised us our own promised land, the ability to overcome the world, the flesh and the devil, walking pleasing to Him as living sacrifices....ands loving it.

But how we resist. Instead of looking at the promises and 'judging ourselves', as we see the gap between how we walk and how we are promised God will cause us to walk, we have rested content with positional holiness, and fallen back on our mantra that 'no one is perfect'.

The day is approaching in the valley of decision. We have two choices once the coming shaking occurs. Either we will lose our lives to allow His to overflow in us, or we will ignore the warnings of continuing in sin, hold fast to OUR rights of reigning over ourselves, and convince ourselves that all is well, because our sins are just "slips", and even our lack of repentance is a sin that was covered and forgiven. It is the best of the best of satan's lies, as a last gasp effort to keep believers from awakening to who we are in Christ.

Satan is very slick. The very ones deceiving are themselves deceived. But when Jesus says on that final day "Depart from me, ALL YE that work iniquity", all means all, even the ones that say "Lord, Lord".

If we do sin? (Note: Not when we sin, but IF) If we sin, we have an advocate, agreed. And the word says that if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

Now, hyper-grace teaches that this is not required, for what happens if we "forget" to repent of a sin? But listen! Do we not have the Spirit inside, and what does the Spirit do? He corrects. And if we do not listen? He chastens. His job is to create Christ inside us, and we are told that if we are not chastened, we are not sons. Ouch.

So, it is impossible to not be chastened by the Spirit of God if sin is in us, unless we refuse to relent and repent and it gets to the point that we can no longer hear Him. Then what happens is that our hearts become increasingly hardened by our resisting of the Spirit, and the danger of falling away is great.

Obedience was never done away with under the new covenant. God has promised us that He will "cause us" to will and to do of His good pleasure. But in these final days, the enemy has come in like a flood, infecting the church with a false assurance that turns the grace of God into lasciviousness, or a license to sin and still make heaven. Is it any wonder the world sees us as hypocrites?

There is no brokenness here. No hungering and thirsting for righteousness. No need for a desire to be holy. Walking as living sacrifices is scoffed at as "ascetic legalism" and they teach that the deep desire of God, that we know HOW to possess our vessels in sanctification and honor, are thought of false teachings and trying to work for ones salvation. Wolves is sheep's clothing are playing on the our failures to walk in victory in our old natures, and to assure us that all is well, so that we will STAY in our old natures.

But in these last days, God is lifting up a standard against the lies and hardness of heart that has become so prevalent in recent times. What is the standard?

"Let ALL who name the name of the Lord depart from iniquity."

The legalists had their day and failed. We must be holy. We cannot be holy. Not by our efforts.

The hyper-grace teachers share that Jesus is holy for us, so we can live as we please, and no matter how we live, God now winks at our sins that are unavoidable.

But, in the end, neither one leads to life. Neither one brings us to the FREE INDEED that our Jesus promised us, for He Himself said as clearly as He possibly could that he that commits sin is a slave to it, and not free at all.

The only freedom, REAL freedom, is getting rid of a sin nature that wants to remain in charge. It is called our old man, our flesh and the path to overcoming is found only in our getting rid of it. This is what our faithful God is doing in these last days, awakening His bride as to HOW to walk as He desires. It is wonderful, it is an easy yoke. It is called "putting on the new man" and it is the ONLY way to see Jesus make us fruitful branches. Paul said "Nothing profits but a new creature." Oh, that we might finally break and believe Him!

It is time we get on our knees, admitting that we need the power of God's very Son IN US, with us dead, to overcome the world, the flesh and the devil. It is time we cry out for ears to hear, and eyes to see so that we might walk in newness of life and recover ourselves from the snare of the devil. The truth is right in front of us, but our hardened hearts cannot perceive it.....yet.

But mark my words, it is coming, and we will rejoice is what God will do in us and through us. Only then will we look back on how we lived and shame will cover us for our haughty religious contentment, with self-will still ruling and reigning. But even that shame, God will wash away with tears of joy and gladness at our coming home, prodigals who finally "came to themselves" and returned to the Father as willing bond-servants. He is coming for us, and He has promised to get us ready for the wedding. Praise our amazing God.

It is time we light our lamps and put on our new man.

Blessings,

Gideon

What does eternal redemption mean in 9:12, and verse 10:10 mean to you?

What are the one time implications of this verse below?



10:2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins?

Please just provide a brief commentary on said passages.

 

[turned around]

Hi,
The scripture says the evidence of being saved by is, that his Spirit bears witness with mine.

Grace to you.

 

[Frogster]

Forgiven before confession? Sounds like the hyper grace Dr Michael Brown has recently released a book on.

I have heard him on TV, not impressed, I see him as a law type of minister, after all, if you love law just call grace "hyper", that is an old hat. He was also on Sid Roth, a man that is an MJ, who in no uncertan terms, promotes law, so I am not moved by Brown, or Mr Roth when they talk text in their biased way.

I am sure they are nice guys, but just sayin....

 

[Frogster]

Hi,
The scripture says the evidence of being saved by is, that his Spirit bears witness with mine.

Grace to you.

Yes, it says He is a guarantee too!

 

[turned around]

Hi,
Saved by grace

 

[Frogster]

Hi,
Colossians 2:13; And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses.

Grace to you.

Good verse, I guess some think we were semi quickened!

 

[Frogster]

Of course future sins were forgiven 2000 years ago, but it won't profit us much if we don't ask for forgiveness.

Do we have to ask for forgiveness before we can have confidence to go through the curatain? The OT prists had to bring blood, our blood is His eternal blood, we are in by Him. My dear sis, our confidence is in the blood, not a tally sheet of sins of the day. Eternal forgivness, he is always saving us, 7:25, 9:24.


Heb 10:19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, 20 by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh,

 

[Frogster]

OK FOLKS, LETS BE CLEAR, NO ONE IS SAYING TO BE IN THE FLESH.

.

But the issue is eteral redemption, Rom 6 is ahowing that it is by grace, that is the heart of six, 6 is the answer over flesh, I know that, and I know romans, but eternal redemption, is the issue, lets talk Hebrews.

 

[turned around]

Hi,
Says quickened together with him. There's no way we could of pulled that off ourselves. Forgiven all trespasses, past, present, and future. Doesn't say anything about confession, or repentance. IT'S AMAZING.

Grace to you.

 

[murjahel]

Romans 6:1-23 (KJV)
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

WHEN WE BECAME A CHRISTIAN, WE WERE BAPTIZED INTO THE SAME DEATH AS JESUS, HE TOOK OUR SINS AWAY, AND WE WERE RAISED UP FROM THAT IMMERSION INTO HIS DEATH, INTO NEW LIFE. IF THAT HAPPENED TRULY, WE ARE NOW A NEW CREATION THAT DOES NOT WANT TO SIN. SO IF SIN IS STILL PRESENT AND TOLERATED, IT SERIOUSLY BRINGS INTO QUESTION IF WE TRULY ARE SAVED. THERE SHOULD BE FRUIT OF GRACE ABOUNDING IN THIS 'NEW CREATION' WE ARE RAISED TO...


4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

ARE WE RAISED TO NEW LIFE, DO WE LIVE A 'CHRIST-LIKE' LIFE, OR IS SIN STILL TOLERATED, AND WHEN WE ERR DO WE CONTINUE IN IT, OR REGRET AND REPENT OF IT? WE SHOULD BE 'RESURRECTED' SPIRITUALLY INTO GODLY LIVING. WE SHOULD HAVE A REPENTANT (a change of mind toward sin) HEART. THE REPENTANT HEART IS PROVEN BY THE WALKING IN NEWNESS OF LIFE, NOT BY WALKING IN SIN AS BEFORE... IF THE PROOF IS NOT EVIDENT, IT SHOWS THERE IS NO NEWNESS OF LIFE THERE.

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

THE OLD MAN IS CRUCIFIED, DEAD, DESTROYED, AND NOT SERVING SIN AS BEFORE. TO CLAIM THIS SALVATION AND EVEN TO BE WANTING TO JUSTIFY SIN IN ONE'S LIFE IS PROOF THEY DO NOT HAVE A 'DEAD OLD MAN'. IF THE OLD MAN IS SINNING, HE IS NOT DEAD.


7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

THE LACK OF SIN, THE LACK OF JUSTIFYING OUR OCCASIONAL SLIPS INTO IT, IS PROOF WE ARE FREED FROM IT. THE JUSTIFYING OF SINS, THE CONDONING OF SINS STILL RAMPANT IN US, THE LACK OF REMORSE FOR MISSING THE TARGET WE ARE AIMING AT, IS PROOF WE ARE NOT FREED FROM SIN.


8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

THE TRUE PRESENCE OF SALVATION MAKES US HAVE A CHANGE OF HEART TOWARD SIN, WE LIVE IN JESUS, WE THINK AS HE DID ABOUT SIN, WE HAVE A CHANGE OF HEART ABOUT SIN, WE LIVE 'WITH HIM'. SIN NO LONGER HAS DOMINION OVER US. AS JOHN SAID IN HIS EPISTLE TO CHRISTIANS, THAT 'if we say we have no sin, we lie', SO WE OCCASIONALLY, IN THIS FLESHLY BODY WILL FAIL UNINTENTIONALLY, BUT WE HAVE A CHANGE OF MIND, NO LONGER UNDER THAT DOMINION OF SIN, AND WE 'CONFESS' THEM, AND ARE CONTINUALLY CLEANSED FROM THOSE SINS WHICH NO LONGER HAVE DOMINION. IF SIN HAS DOMINION, THEN WE DO NOT HAVE THIS RISEN AGAIN IN CHRIST RELATIONSHIP.


10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

WE ARE TO RECKON DAILY TO NOT LET SIN REIGN. WE MAY STUMBLE, BUT OUR RECKONING REMAINS THE SAME, STILL DETERMINING THAT WE WERE SAVED BY HIS WORK ONLY, NOT BY OUR OWN, BUT SINCE WE ARE NOW RESURRECTED IN HIM, WE CHOOSE TO REFUSE TO LET SIN REIGN IN US, NOR TO OBEY THE STILL PRESENT 'LUSTS' THEREOF.


13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

NOW THAT WE ARE UNDER GRACE, DOES THAT GIVE US RIGHT TO SIN, AND NOT BE REPENTANT, REGRETFUL OF IT? CAN WE CONDONE SIN, AND CLAIM A PAST EXPERIENCE AS REASON TO COMMIT SIN, UNREPENTANTLY? PAUL SAYS 'NO' PAUL SAYS 'GOD FORBID', AND GOD DOES FORBID THAT GNOSTIC IDEA THAT SIN CAN BE CONDONED IN THOSE WITHIN GRACE. SIN NO LONGER HAS 'DOMINION' OR RULE OVER US. WE MAY FAIL, BUT SIN GOD HAS DOMINION, WE RETURN TO HIS RULE, WE REGRET OUR FAILURES, NOT CONDONING OR ALLOWING THEM UNREPENTANTLY.



16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

THOSE WHO YIELD, CONDONE, AND ACCEPT THE PRESENCE OF SIN UNREPENTANTLY AFTER SALVATION, HAVE MADE THEMSELVES TO AGAIN BE 'SERVANTS OF SIN', AND THEY 'OBEY' THEN SIN, TO THE END BEING 'DEATH'. THE OBEDIENCE TO THE NEW NATURE, THE LIVING AWAY FROM SIN, AND REGRETFUL, REPENTANT OF IT WHEN WE FALL INTO IT, ALLOWS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS TO RULE OUR LIVES, PROVING WE ARE NOT SERVANTS OF SIN ANY LONGER.



17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

NOW BEING SAVED, AND IN THIS NEW LIFE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS GIVEN BY A MERCIFUL GOD, WE PROVE IT BY NOT BEING SERVANTS OF SIN, NOT YIELDING TO UNCLEANNESS, NOT GOING FROM INIQUITY TO INIQUITY. IF WE ARE STILL 'SERVANTS OF SIN', WE ARE NOT 'SERVANTS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.' THE FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS PROOF OF THE SALVATION THAT CAME BY GRACE. THE FRUIT OF SIN, PROVES ONE IS STILL A SERVANT OF SIN. THEREFORE WHEN HARMARIA, UNINTENTIONAL SIN, IS FOUND IN OUR LIVES, WE QUICKLY REPENT AND REMAIN IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.



21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

SALVATION IS A GIFT, ONE THAT IS NOT FORCED UPON US, BUT WHEN WE FREELY ACCEPT THAT GIFT, IT CHANGES OUR NATURE. WE BECOME 'SERVANTS' TO GOD, WE HAVE THE 'FRUIT OF HOLINESS'. THOSE WHO CONDONE SIN, WHO NO LONGER REPENT FAILURES THAT ARE UNINTENTIONAL, PROVE THAT THEY ARE BEARING FRUIT THAT IDENTIFIES THEIR TREE AS NOT BEING THE 'TREE' THEY CLAIM TO BE. SIN STILL PAYS WAGES, EVEN AFTER SALVATION... WE ARE NOT DOOMED BY UNINTENTIONAL SINS, WE ARE DOOMED IF WE TURN FROM JESUS, REJECT HIS PLAN OF US NO LONGER SERVING SIN, AND WE SERVE SIN, CONDONE SIN, DO NOT REGRET SIN, AND THEREBY DENY OUR LORD'S SALVATION.

I think this covers the point. Sin was forgiven, my past sins were forgiven when I repented, my present sins were too... and proof of that is when I ever fail, sin, in the future, it is unintentional, and the fruit of my salvation allows me to regret those sins, keep the repentant (mind changed) heart, and have continual forgiveness. I am not backslidden by occasional, unintentional sins. No, salvation is continuous, unless I turn against my Savior, which I have no intent to do, for I am saved. Those who condone sin, saying it was forgiven already, so it is all right... prove they do not have that 'changed mind' repentance, and brings their salvation into question. Paul points this out well.

Gnostics preached a doctrine that they had a knowledge about salvation that allowed them to sin, and still be righteous... the early church, including Paul and John, spoke very harshly against the gnostic doctrines of Simon magus and Cerinthus, etc...