Questions To Dispensationalists

[random person]

Danoh,

Using biblegateway.com,

Look at how the Orthodox Jewish Bible and the Jubilee 2000 Bible translate Genesis 48:19:


Bereshis 48:19
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
19 And aviv refused, and said, I know it, beni (my son), I know it; he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great; but truly achiv hakaton shall be greater than he, and his zera shall become a multitude of Goyim.

Genesis 48:19
Jubilee Bible 2000 (JUB)
19 And his father refused and said, I know it, my son, I know it; he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great; but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of Gentiles.

 

[Shocker]

Do you believe Christ can return right this second?

Tonight?

Tomorrow?

Or does the Temple need to be rebuilt first?

Christ gives us plenty of information to know of his soon coming, He is God.

God does nothing without revealing it to his prophets.

In short, Christ can not come tonight, or tomorrow.

(Im not a dispensationalist, but I agree with a great deal of their theology)

 

[random person]

Christ gives us plenty of information to know of his soon coming, He is God.

God does nothing without revealing it to his prophets.

In short, Christ can not come tonight, or tomorrow.

(Im not a dispensationalist, but I agree with a great deal of their theology)

Than you are in disagreement with Jesus!

Matthew 24:36

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:44

Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

 

[Biblewriter]

Random person, you would fare far better in your attempts to answer dispensationalists if you bothered to first learn at least a little about what we believe.

You waste a great deal of effort trying to discredit us by disproving things that we do not even believe.

 

[random person]

Random person, you would fare far better in your attempts to answer dispensationalists if you bothered to first learn at least a little about what we believe.

You waste a great deal of effort trying to discredit us by disproving things that we do not even believe.

Did the Law lead the old covenant righteous souls into heaven?

Or did Christ lead those same old covenant righteous souls into heaven?

 

[Biblewriter]

Did the Law lead the old covenant righteous souls into heaven?

Or did Christ lead those same old covenant righteous souls into heaven?

Which question is only further proof that you are wasting your time answering doctrinal errors that you only imagine we teach.

 

[Shocker]

Than you are in disagreement with Jesus!

Matthew 24:36

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:44

Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

If you are talking about the rapture of the Church, I completely agree.. No man knows..

But there are prophetic events that must unfold before Christs second coming.

Like I said, he couldnt come a few days ago, and he didn't.

 

[random person]

Which question is only further proof that you are wasting your time answering doctrinal errors that you only imagine we teach.

The rapture is no where found in the Bible, and the implications are disturbing...

If one misses the Rapture, no sweat, God will offer them a second chance to be saved they'll just have to either a ) survive the tribulation or b ) lose their heads in martyrdom...

 

[riverrat]

The rapture is no where found in the Bible, and the implications are disturbing...

If one misses the Rapture, no sweat, God will offer them a second chance to be saved they'll just have to either a ) survive the tribulation or b ) lose their heads in martyrdom...

This is just more proof that you have just enough knowledge of dispensationalism to make you look silly.

 

[Shocker]

The rapture is no where found in the Bible, and the implications are disturbing...

If one misses the Rapture, no sweat, God will offer them a second chance to be saved they'll just have to either a ) survive the tribulation or b ) lose their heads in martyrdom...

Catholics believe they will be given a "second chance" in purgatory..

How absurd is that?

 

[Dispy]

random person:
I'm in total agreement with riverrat.

 

[random person]

This is just more proof that you have just enough knowledge of dispensationalism to make you look silly.

Christ made an everlasting eternal Covenant meaning it is the last and final covenant. And dispensationalists believe God still has a Covenant with national Israel. The Old Covenant is obsolete and has passed away. The destruction of the 2nd Temple was God's final dealing with Old Covenant, temple sacrifices, and Aaronic priesthood.

Christ is the last and final sacrifice and He has taken the office of High Priest not after the order of the Aaronic priesthood but after the Melchizedek order.

 

[Shocker]

Christ made an everlasting eternal Covenant meaning it is the last and final covenant. And dispensationalists believe God still has a Covenant with national Israel. The Old Covenant is obsolete and has passed away. The destruction of the 2nd Temple was God's final dealing with Old Covenant, temple sacrifices, and Aaronic priesthood.

Christ is the last and final sacrifice and He has taken the office of High Priest not after the order of the Aaronic priesthood but after the Melchizedek order.

I don't think that's what dispensationalism teaches at all.

From my understanding the covenant with Christ is the only covenant there is, but the Jews will be brought to Christ.

Romans 11 details Gods plan for Israel, to bring them under the grace provided by the covenant with Chirst.

That's what Daniels 70th week brings to a close, the Jews finally coming to Christ.

 

[Dispy]

Christ made an everlasting eternal Covenant meaning it is the last and final covenant. And dispensationalists believe God still has a Covenant with national Israel. The Old Covenant is obsolete and has passed away. The destruction of the 2nd Temple was God's final dealing with Old Covenant, temple sacrifices, and Aaronic priesthood.

Christ is the last and final sacrifice and He has taken the office of High Priest not after the order of the Aaronic priesthood but after the Melchizedek order.

Yes, God did make an everlasting eternal Covenant with the nation of Israel.

Yes, God will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and the house of Judah as promised in (Jer. 31:31-34). It will be fulfilled at the 2nd coming of Jesus, when He establishes His kingdom upon the earth.

The OC was based upon Israel keeping the Laws of Moses. However the New NC, referenced in Heb. 8, is based on the Cross work of Christ, through His death, burial and resurrection.

Jesus will be the High Priest of Israel after the order of Melchisedec (Heb. 5:6), who was Gentile priest (Gen. 14:8). There was no such thing as water baptism at that time.

 

[Biblewriter]

The rapture is no where found in the Bible, and the implications are disturbing...

If one misses the Rapture, no sweat, God will offer them a second chance to be saved they'll just have to either a ) survive the tribulation or b ) lose their heads in martyrdom...

Actually, classical dispensationalism clearly teaches that those who have rejected the gospel before the rapture will have their hearts judicially blinded so they will believe the lie of the Antichrist.

But the rapture is very clearly spelled out in the Bible, in the following words:

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

It is legitimate to debate the timing of the rapture. But anyone who denies that it will happen is denying explicitly stated scripture.

 

[Jack Terrence]

It is legitimate to debate the timing of the rapture. But anyone who denies that it will happen is denying explicitly stated scripture.

It is also legitimate to debate the nature of the rapture. Paul was NOT speaking about fleshly bodies being caught up. He was speaking about souls being caught up to their eternal bodies from heaven (2 Corinthians 4:16-5:5). Each man when he "dies" will be caught up and immediately changed into his body from heaven. His body of flesh will be eaten by the bugs.

There will be no mass disappearances all over the earth. LOL!

"This I say then, that flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the kingdom of God."

 

[Shocker]

It is also legitimate to debate the nature of the rapture. Paul was NOT speaking about fleshly bodies being caught up. He was speaking about souls being caught up to their eternal bodies from heaven (2 Corinthians 4:16-5:5). Each man when he "dies" will be caught up and immediately changed into his body from heaven. His body of flesh will be eaten by the bugs.

There will be no mass disappearances all over the earth. LOL!

"This I say then, that flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the kingdom of God."

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.

 

[Jack Terrence]

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.

It is the soul that puts on immortality. The flesh disintegrates and is recycled. Your interpretation does NOT match biblical nor the natural facts.

Paul said that when our earthly "tent" is dissolved we have an eternal "house" in the heavens. His reason for calling the former a "tent" was to convey that our flesh is a TEMPORARY dwelling. And he called the latter a "house" because it is our PERMANENT dwelling.

At your rapture you will leave your body of flesh and be caught up to meet the Lord in your body from heaven. Your flesh will be recycled.

Now, come back with an interpretation that is mote aligned with the biblical and the natural facts.

 

[Biblewriter]

It is also legitimate to debate the nature of the rapture. Paul was NOT speaking about fleshly bodies being caught up. He was speaking about souls being caught up to their eternal bodies from heaven (2 Corinthians 4:16-5:5). Each man when he "dies" will be caught up and immediately changed into his body from heaven. His body of flesh will be eaten by the bugs.

There will be no mass disappearances all over the earth. LOL!

"This I say then, that flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the kingdom of God."

Yes, we will be changed. But the old bodies will be resurrected.

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
1 Thessalonians 4:16

This cannot refer to the spirits of the departed who return with the Lord. For they are coming down to earth with him, not rising to meet him.

There is no scripture that says that our dead bodies will not arise. It says they will be changed. But it also plainly says they will rise.

 

[Jack Terrence]

Yes, we will be changed. But the old bodies will be resurrected.

Try telling that to Polycarp and the saints whose bodies were used as torches to light up the streets of Rome. Their bodies were annihilated by fire. What about them? They have no body to resurrect.

16

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
1 Thessalonians 4:16

This cannot refer to the spirits of the departed who return with the Lord. For they are coming down to earth with him, not rising to meet him.

It is the soul that is resurrected. "You will not leave my SOUL in sheol." Peter said that Christ's soul was resurrected from sheol. And Paul said that Christ was resurrected from the abyss. His flesh did NOT descend into the abyss (the deepest parts of the earth). His flesh was put into a tomb. His soul went down into the abyss from whence it was raised up and was reunited to His flesh so He could appear to His disciples. When He ascended forty days later He was changed and put on His eternal body from heaven.

There is no scripture that says that our dead bodies will not arise. It says they will be changed. But it also plainly says they will rise.

No. It says that WE will be changed, not our flesh. "Flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the kingdom of God." See Paul's seed analogy. He said that it is the "naked grain" that is changed. This corresponds to the "naked man" which is clothed with the eternal body from heaven (2 Corinthians 4:16-5:5).

Our flesh will be recyled. If you were to die today your body would be gone in six months. Your interpretation does not square with scripture nor reality.