Fred Phelps Anti-Gay Preacher Was a Democrat

[Savior2006]

He was the Democratic contribution, which was not one of policy but one of pure hatred and emotion, as per usual.

Conservative: *swing*
Umpire: You missed.
Conservative: *swing*
Umpire: You missed again.
Conservative: *swing*
Umpire: You missed again, and are you feeling okay? No one even threw you a pitch after the first one.
Conservative: I hate Obama and everything smells like batteries.

 

[Marius27]

Figure of speech. You don't have to carry a card in order to be a member. That said, no one here has denied that he was Dem. I get it, it's embarrassing.

Are you embarrassed that Pat Robertson is a Republican? He's a nut job like Phelps was.

Really? Show me. Even many gays admit there isn't any.

Most gays know sexual orientation is biological. It's pretty well confirmed at this point.

 

[TLK Valentine]

One might more accurately say that the news media's incessant focus on the Westboro Baptist Church with its two or three dozen members is a cheap shot.

Your sympathy for the Westboro Baptist Church is noted.

 

[Grizzly]

The people in this thread trying to use the Fred Phelps paintbrush on the democratic party don't seem to realize that this brush can also be used on Christians in general (and baptists in particular). Do we also think Fred was an exemplar of Christianity or Protestantism? In fact, I don't remember Fred protesting at funerals with his THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HATES FA** sign.

The point is - I don't see Fred Phelps representing either Christians or Democrats. He was his own special brand of nutjob.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Disclaimer: I have a gay sibling whom I love and support.

That doesn't make anything you say more truthful or less tainted by prejudice.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Figure of speech. You don't have to carry a card in order to be a member. That said, no one here has denied that he was Dem. I get it, it's embarrassing.

No, it's surprising. People tend to expect a person with Phelps' views to be a Republican.

 

[Grizzly]

That doesn't make anything you say more truthful or less tainted by prejudice.

Yes. My dad used to say "I have a black friend at work" before launching into a tirade against lazy you-know-whats. It was almost a conversational marker that meant "prejudiced comment to follow".

 

[NightHawkeye]

Your sympathy for the Westboro Baptist Church is noted.

It is to be noted that I have little sympathy for the Westboro Baptist Church.

 

[NightHawkeye]

The people in this thread trying to use the Fred Phelps paintbrush on the democratic party don't seem to realize that this brush can also be used on Christians in general (and baptists in particular). Do we also think Fred was an exemplar of Christianity or Protestantism? In fact, I don't remember Fred protesting at funerals with his THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HATES FA** sign.

The point is - I don't see Fred Phelps representing either Christians or Democrats. He was his own special brand of nutjob.

Payback is a "bear", ain't it?

 

[Bedford]

One would say that one or two dozen people picketing the funerals of dead soldiers over an unrelated gay issue is insane. That is why they have received national and international media exposure. There were no cheap shots by the media.

 

[NightHawkeye]

One would say that one or two dozen people picketing the funerals of dead soldiers over an unrelated gay issue is insane. That is why they have received national and international media exposure. There were no cheap shots by the media.

There were many cheap shots by the media. The media chose to cover the Westboro Baptist Church and ignore many other issues of much greater national importance.

 

[Bedford]

There were many cheap shots by the media. The media chose to cover the Westboro Baptist Church and ignore many other issues of much greater national importance.

Now you are just going off topic to cast aspersions on the media. Do try to stick to the topic.

 

[Deidre32]

He was the Democratic contribution, which was not one of policy but one of pure hatred and emotion, as per usual.

Yep. And I don't think all atheists think he was the spokesperson for Christianity. I was once Christian, and I certainly never identified with people like him or Pat Robertson, etc....preachers of hate. I'm surprised either character had/has the followers they do, sadly.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Now you are just going off topic to cast aspersions on the media. Do try to stick to the topic.

LOL ... whatever aspersions I might cast on the media don't hold a candle compared to those cast by the media.

 

[Veritas]

Then many gays are very mistaken.
The fact is there is a link there. Best guess currently is there are both genetic and pre birth hormonal influences.

Did you notice the date on all the studies you linked to? They are all old and have been refuted. They were also deeply flawed. Some scientists have been trying desperately to prove that homosexuality is genetic. This is known as "confirmation bias". It simply means that you have a particular view and then seek to prove it by constructing and manipulating studies. It's done all the time. But it's not science. It's bunk. The latest twin studies show that there is no genetic component to homosexuality any more than there is to heterosexuality.

Identical twin studies prove homosexuality is not genetic | Life In HD - The Official Website For Pastor Holland Davis :: Calvary Chapel San Clemente

“Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”

Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. “No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”

The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.

“Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”

A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.

But again, my question is why is a genetic component necessary to draw parallels with black civil rights? There are a whole host of parallels so why does it require a genetic component before we can compare them?

For one thing, it is very offensive to blacks. This article very succintly demonstrates how the two are not remotely the same.

Comparing Black Civil Rights to Gay Civil Rights - Michael Brown - Page 1

CNN Panel: Gay Rights Is Not The Same As ‘The Civil Rights Movement’ | Mediaite

Blacks Rejecting Gay Rights As a Battle Equal to Theirs - NYTimes.com

Perhaps, but it points out the truth that the definition has changed many times. Definitions are descriptive not proscriptive.

In your opinion.

No, it is not. It was changed in 1967 and is in the process of changing again.

And before you know it, a parent could marry a child or someone could marry their dog. Progress, I tell you!

Simply having someone you love who is gay does not negate your refusal to see their civil rights being refused

Their civil rights aren't being "refused" . They both have great jobs at Boeing, sit in the front of the bus, never refused service at a restaurant, etc. I've been on vacation with them and have never once seen their civil rights violated.

It is exactly the same as a racist protesting they have a black friend from where I am sitting.

So now you're calling me both a racist and bigoted homophobe. Nice.

You were until you started posting so many things that proved to be incorrect

No, you just simply disagreed.

Card carrying means he was carrying that card until the end.

He was no democrat. Nobody wants him and the guy lived to hate gays by punishing their loved ones who's only sin was by being related. He acted more like a conservative than anything. Not saying that conservatives live to hate gays, yet his nonacceptance of gays is rooted in the same religious text which conservatives use to restrict the rights of gays in a 'free' country. Alas, even the conservatives don't want him!

Bringing up the fact that the man was once a democrat proves that your only intention was to try to link this hateful man to democrats.

Of course, if he were a republican you'd never do that. Besides, you do know that the democratic party was founded in part to oppose black civil rights and establish the KKK, right?

Oh please. Name one thing Phelps has had in common with Democrats in the last 30 years other than the name.

Bigotry.

 

[SolomonVII]

Yep. And I don't think all atheists think he was the spokesperson for Christianity. I was once Christian, and I certainly never identified with people like him or Pat Robertson, etc....preachers of hate. I'm surprised either character had/has the followers they do, sadly.

To note what some or all of a certain group of people do is to enter into a quantitative analysis, rather than to consider everybody in the crowd is in essential agreement with the one person with a sign.
If people were to do that consistently and impartially here, perhaps 30 to 70 percent of disagreements would evaporate.

Before the record was set straight on Fred Phelps, the Democrat, or Fred Phelps, the ambulance chasing lawyer, the only reason people here would have a clue of who he and his tiniest of churches was, was because he was Fred Phelps, the Christian.

The only reason he is pertinent at all is because people find it useful to label a whole group of others with the Fred Phelps association in order not to have to deal with their real issues.

Likewise, the most common retort in this thread is "he is not like my kind! he is like your ilk!"

 

[Cute Tink]

And before you know it, a parent could marry a child or someone could marry their dog. Progress, I tell you!

Did you really just complain about comparing "gay rights" to civil rights and then compare homosexual relationships to child-molesting incest and inappropriate behavior with animals?

 

[Bedford]

Likewise, the most common retort in this thread is "he is not like my kind! he is like your ilk!"

That is how the OP was set up. Perhaps you can start by blaming the OP?

Or is that to difficult to do?

 

[SepiaAndDust]

Did you really just complain about comparing "gay rights" to civil rights and then compare homosexual relationships to child-molesting incest and inappropriate behavior with animals?

AND she worked in a quote from an active narth member!

Doesn't have a beat, and you can't dance to it, but I give it a 6.5 for sheer cheekiness.

 

[Bedford]

AND she worked in a quote from an active narth member!

Doesn't have a beat, and you can't dance to it, but I give it a 6.5 for sheer cheekiness.

Also, take notice of the OP. There is one link however the text provided was nowhere in the link. The actual story which owns the text was from 1998. The OP portrays the illusion that Phelps still calls himself a democrat, however that was said 15 years ago.

disingenuous thread, to say the least.