Why I am 7th Day Adventist, and not of any other faith...

[BobRyan]

It sure isn't a stumbling block for me. Furthermore I've not idea why it would be for anyone.

I will say this though - the 7th day Sabbath isn't part of orthodox Christianity.

The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley

All of them argue for the continued application of ALL TEN commandments to the saints today - starting in Eden and continued to this very day.

I find that amazing that they would agree at that level with the Seventh-day Baptists.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[LarryP2]

I grew up SDA. It is a destructive non-Christian cult. Their emphasis on the Sabbath is culturally, historically and Biblically indefensible, and the exact OPPOSITE of the covenant outlined in the New Testament.

SDA is in a no-man's land between Judaism and Christianity. They ignorantly elevate the Sabbath, what they call "The Ten Commandments" out of a proper context within Mosaic legal scheme. The Mosaic Law has 613 Commandments, all of which are equally important. You keep none or you keep them all. You are only allowed to keep the Mosaic Law by converting to Judaism. This is what the Apostles and Jesus are talking about when they discuss the Mosaic law - 613 Commandments that are inseparable parts of a whole. The Torah absolutely bans Gentiles from keeping the Sabbath and can be enforced with the Death Penalty. For Sabbarian Christians to disregard Judaism's monopoly on the Mosaic Law smacks of extreme cultural ignorance and imperialism. There is NO distinction under the Mosaic law between "Moral" and "Ceremonial" law! TO KEEP THE MOSAIC LAW REQUIRES KEEPING ALL 613 COMMANDMENTS! THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE JUST 10 OUT OF 613.

The Council of Jerusalem once and for all determined that Gentile Christians should not follow the Mosaic Law, and that only the 7 Noahide laws applied. THOSE are the "moral laws" that the Apostles determined were applicable to Gentile Christians.

Sabbatarianissm is based on the absurd argument that Colossians 2:16-17 does not mean what it says.

SDAs and other Sabbatarians need to convert to either Christianity, and repent from their extreme posture of Judaistic arrogance and their unconscionable and ignorant intrusion into Jewish Law . Or they need to convert to Judaism, build a Temple, start having animal sacrifices and rigorously keep all 613 Commandments.

Right now, they are neither Christian nor Jewish.

 

[Giver]

Why I am 7th Day Adventist, and not of any other faith...

It has to do with this text:

Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God? Psalms 77:13

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Courtyard
Altar of Burnt Offering/Sacrifice - "Daily" dying, & walking with Lamb/Jesus
Laver - Water/Bood/Baptism - "Daily" washing/regeneration

Holy Place
Table of Shewbread -"Daily" Eating/assimilating of the Word of God
7 Branch Candlestick - "Daily" Witnessing, Light of the World
Altar of Incense - "Daily" Prayer/Communion with God

Most Holy Place
Ark Of the Covenant - Law of God [Ten Commandments]/Testimony, Truth/Mercy Seat, Just and Justifier / Love written upon our Hearts to Obey Him always in His Mercy, He hath redeemed us unto Himself, that we might be At-One-Ment with Him.

If anything attempts to replace/be in the place of the True Sacrifice, it is a counterfeit.

If anything attempts to replace/be in the place of True regeneration and True Baptism by water/fire, it is a counterfeit.

If anything attempts to replace/be in the place of The True Word of God/Bible, it is a counterfeit.

If anything attempts to replace/be in the place of True Prayer/Communion with God, it is a counterfeit.

If anything attempts to replace/be in the place of True Witnessing, of the powerful salvation of Jesus Christ in your own Life, by being the daily example of God's love, it is a counterfeit.

If anything attempts to replace/be in the place the True Law of God, the True Ten Commandments, and/or the True Mercy of God with any other thing, it is a counterfeit.

The 6 degrees of the Separation from God that sin causes.

Every person must accept these into their own lives, and no one else can do it for you. Begin by applying that blood of Jesus to the doorposts of your own heart, and recognize that sin, is causing you to be separated from God, do not let it separate you eternally, for there is a way made, and it is found in the Sanctuary, which is the plan of salvation and redemption in type/picture, that we may understand what Jesus has done for us, and what we are to do in Him. Every single person may come to God through Christ Jesus by the Holy Spirit today. There is no other way. Christ Jesus is the Way, Truth and Life, and His Way is in the Sanctuary. Not through any other, or any other way, not a 'priest of earth', not a 'saint', not a man, or woman, nor any angel or other being in all creation, nor any other acts or thoughts.

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Christ Jesus, has a Message for you:

Matthew 24:15; Mark 13:14; Revelation 14:6-12; 18:1-5...

Quote:Originally Posted by k4c Muslims celebrate Friday the sixth day, mainline religion celebrates Sunday the first day but the one true God calls His children to remember Saturday the seventh day.
Firstly, there is no passage in the Bible that defines the Sabbath as being Saturday, for either Israel or the church. Sabbath simply means "a weekly rest," or simply "rest."Second and more importantly, while it is often claimed that "God instituted the Sabbath in Eden" because of the connection between the Sabbath and creation in Exodus 20:11, that simply is not true. Although God's rest on the seventh day as noted in Genesis 2:3 did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Not one Scriptural passage gives indication of Sabbath-keeping being practiced from Adam to Moses. In fact, worship was a daily matter, whether formal or informal, and any blessing was usually met with some form of worship and offering, be it large or small.On the other hand, the Word of God makes it quite clear that Sabbath observance was a special sign between God and Israel and no one else: Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him from the mountain, saying, "Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob and tell the sons of Israel: 'You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings, and brought you to Myself. Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine ...' " (Exodus 19:3–5)." `So the sons of Israel shall observe the Sabbath, to celebrate the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.' It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed." (Exodus 31:16–17).In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the ten commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel:" `You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out of there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.' " (Deuteronomy 5:15).Notice the word "therefore." It is the simple Hebrew word 'al meaning "because of" or "on account of." The reason for the Sabbath was to remember the captivity and deliverance from Egypt. It was not God's intent in giving the Sabbath to Israel that they would remember creation, but that they would remember their Egyptian slavery and the Lord's deliverance. Note the requirements for Sabbath-keeping: A person placed under that Sabbath law could not leave his home on the Sabbath (Exodus 16:29), he could not build a fire (Exodus 35:3), and he could not cause anyone else to work (Deuteronomy 5:14). Those are pictures of captivity and enslavement, not worship, though the worship came from God's grace in choosing Israel, a nation of slaves, to be made a great and powerful nation evidencing His power and might. A person breaking the Sabbath law was to be put to death. (Exodus 31:15; Numbers 15:32–35) Obviously forgetting who you were because of God made you unworthy to celebrate Him by claiming to be His and showing that you were not.An examination of New Testament passages shows us four important points:1) Whenever Christ appears in His resurrected form and the day is mentioned, it is always the first day of the week (Matthew 28:1, 9, 10; Mark 16:9; Luke 24:1, 13, 15; John 20:19, 26).2) The only time the Sabbath is mentioned from Acts through Revelation it is for evangelistic purposes to the Jews and the setting is usually in a synagogue (Acts chapters 13–18). Paul wrote, " ... to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews ... " (1 Corinthians 9:20) Paul did not go to the synagogue to fellowship with and edify the saints, but to convict and save the lost.3) Once Paul states, " ... from now on I will go to the Gentiles ... " (Acts 18:6), the Sabbath is never again mentioned.4) Instead of suggesting adherence to the Sabbath day, the remainder of the New Testament implies the opposite (including the one exception to point 3 above, found in Colossians 2:16).Looking more closely at point 4 above will reveal that there is no obligation for the New Testament believer to keep the Sabbath, and will also show that the idea of a Sunday "Christian Sabbath" is also unscriptural. As discussed above, there is one time the Sabbath is mentioned after Paul began to focus on the Gentiles:Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day -- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. (Colossians 2:16, 17)The Jewish Sabbath was abolished at the cross where Christ "... wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us." (Colossians 2:14)This idea is repeated more than once in the New Testament:One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God. (Romans 14:5–6a)But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years. (Galatians 4:9–10)But some claim that a mandate by Constantine in A.D. 321 "changed" the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. On what day did the early church meet for worship? Scripture never mentions any Sabbath (Saturday) gatherings by believers for fellowship or worship. However, there are clear passages that mention the first day of the week. For instance, Acts 20:7 states that "... on the first day of the week the disciples came together to break bread." In 1 Corinthians 16:2 Paul urges the Corinthian believers " ... on the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper." Since Paul designates this offering as "service" in 2 Corinthians 9:12, this collection must have been linked with the Sunday worship service of the Christian assembly. Historically Sunday, not Saturday, was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century.Again, the doctrine of some denominations to the contrary, the Sabbath was given to Israel, not the church. The Sabbath is still Saturday, not Sunday, and has never been changed. But the Sabbath is part of the Old Testament Law, and Christians are free from the bondage of the Law. (Galatians 4:1-26; Romans 6:14) Sabbath keeping is not required of the Christian -- be it Saturday or Sunday. The first day of the week, Sunday, the Lord's Day (Revelation 1:10) celebrates the New Creation, with Christ as our resurrected Head. We are not obligated to follow the Mosaic Sabbath -- resting, but are now free to follow the risen Christ -- serving. The Apostle Paul said that each individual Christian should decide whether to observe a Sabbath rest, as stated in Romans 14:5 above. We are to worship God every day, not just on Saturday or Sunday.Mychristianforums.com Link: IisJustMe.christianforums.com (1763 views)__________________Comforting the afflicted, afflicting the comfortable"Men have been known to encounter the truth, and walk away as though nothing happened." --Winston Churchill"The truth will set you free -- but first it is likely to cause you intense pain." --D. James Kennedy In His grace,Mike

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I grew up SDA. It is a destructive non-Christian cult. Their emphasis on the Sabbath is culturally, historically and Biblically indefensible, and the exact OPPOSITE of the covenant outlined in the New Testament.

SDA is in a no-man's land between Judaism and Christianity. They ignorantly elevate the Sabbath, what they call "The Ten Commandments" out of a proper context within Mosaic legal scheme. The Mosaic Law has 613 Commandments, all of which are equally important. You keep none or you keep them all. You are only allowed to keep the Mosaic Law by converting to Judaism. This is what the Apostles and Jesus are talking about when they discuss the Mosaic law - 613 Commandments that are inseparable parts of a whole. The Torah absolutely bans Gentiles from keeping the Sabbath and can be enforced with the Death Penalty. For Sabbarian Christians to disregard Judaism's monopoly on the Mosaic Law smacks of extreme cultural ignorance and imperialism. There is NO distinction under the Mosaic law between "Moral" and "Ceremonial" law! TO KEEP THE MOSAIC LAW REQUIRES KEEPING ALL 613 COMMANDMENTS! THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE JUST 10 OUT OF 613.

The Council of Jerusalem once and for all determined that Gentile Christians should not follow the Mosaic Law, and that only the 7 Noahide laws applied. THOSE are the "moral laws" that the Apostles determined were applicable to Gentile Christians.

Sabbatarianissm is based on the absurd argument that Colossians 2:16-17 does not mean what it says.

SDAs and other Sabbatarians need to convert to either Christianity, and repent from their extreme posture of Judaistic arrogance and their unconscionable and ignorant intrusion into Jewish Law . Or they need to convert to Judaism, build a Temple, start having animal sacrifices and rigorously keep all 613 Commandments.

Right now, they are neither Christian nor Jewish.

Sure they are.
Tho they are perhaps just a tad confused and maybe a tad "unorthodox"....


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[Hentenza]

Moved from GT to Sabbath and The Law.

 

[FollowerOfJesus777]

why is everybody bothering with the labels? Seventh day....Christian..... We are believers of the Son of God and just leave it at that!

 

[BobRyan]

I grew up SDA. It is a destructive non-Christian cult. Their emphasis on the Sabbath is culturally, historically and Biblically indefensible .

Sadly for your post -- there is no Bible support for the acrimony and vitriol your post brings to this thread.

By contrast in fact - even pro-Sunday sources listed below affirm not only the 4th commandment as still applicable to Christians but in fact ALL TEN Commandments as still binding on all saints.

 

[maco]

why is everybody bothering with the labels? Seventh day....Christian..... We are believers of the Son of God and just leave it at that!

Amen!

 

[Sophrosyne]

why is everybody bothering with the labels? Seventh day....Christian..... We are believers of the Son of God and just leave it at that!

For the sake of debate labels help to reveal the position of those involved. There are some that equate those who do not keep the Sabbath as NOT believers OR Sons of God.

 

[maco]

For the sake of debate labels help to reveal the position of those involved. There are some that equate those who do not keep the Sabbath as NOT believers OR Sons of God.

You are either a son/daughter or a slave either way you will obey. One is through fear of death the other is through a new nature with new desires and a Spirit empowerment through love as a family member.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LarryP2

I grew up SDA. It is a destructive non-Christian cult. Their emphasis on the Sabbath is culturally, historically and Biblically indefensible .
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Sadly for your post -- there is no Bible support for the acrimony and vitriol your post brings to this thread.

By contrast in fact - even pro-Sunday sources listed below affirm not only the 4th commandment as still applicable to Christians but in fact ALL TEN Commandments as still binding on all saints.

But there were no "Christians" around when Moses gave the 10 Commandments to the OC Israelites.

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[Sophrosyne]

You are either a son/daughter or a slave either way you will obey. One is through fear of death the other is through a new nature with new desires and a Spirit empowerment through love as a family member.

I was ransomed from slavery by Jesus.... I am now in the spirit, NOT under the Law. I need no list of rules to be fearful of keeping lest I be damned to the lake of fire forever.

 

[Sophrosyne]

But there were no "Christians" around when Moses gave the 10 Commandments to the OC Israelites.

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Keeping commandments didn't profit the Jews who rejected Jesus one bit and they kept them a lot better than any so called Christian group does today

 

[from scratch]

why is everybody bothering with the labels? Seventh day....Christian..... We are believers of the Son of God and just leave it at that!

Sure seems to be very debatable here.

 

[from scratch]

For the sake of debate labels help to reveal the position of those involved. There are some that equate those who do not keep the Sabbath as NOT believers OR Sons of God.

Sure wished more were a tad bit more honest with those icons.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Sure wished more were a tad bit more honest with those icons.

you cannot expect honesty from people that consider the term "Christian" just a label without much meaning to it.

 

[from scratch]

you cannot expect honesty from people that consider the term "Christian" just a label without much meaning to it.

QFT

 

[maco]

you cannot expect honesty from people that consider the term "Christian" just a label without much meaning to it.

I consider the nick name, Christian, very important because it identifies someone who is following Jesus, not someone who is trying to do away with what He taught and how He lived according to the commandments of God.

1 John 2:6 The one who says he resides in God ought himself to walk just as Jesus walked.

Why do you say that you know God and then deny Him but your works.

Titus 1:16 They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

Christmas, Easter, Sunday as the Lord's Day, 40 days of Lent, Easter bunnies that lay eggs all have pagan roots and are not of God. Period!

 

[Sophrosyne]

I consider the nick name, Christian, very important because it identifies someone who is following Jesus, not someone who is trying to do away with what He taught and how He lived according to the commandments of God.

1 John 2:6 The one who says he resides in God ought himself to walk just as Jesus walked.

Why do you say that you know God and then deny Him but your works.

Titus 1:16 They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

Christmas, Easter, Sunday as the Lord's Day, 40 days of Lent, Easter bunnies that lay eggs all have pagan roots and are not of God. Period!

1 Peter 4:16

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

16 but if anyone suffers as a Christian, he is not to be ashamed, but is to glorify God in this name.




Acts 11:26

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

26 and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And for an entire year they [a]met with the church and taught considerable [b]numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.




Acts 26:27-29

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

27 King Agrippa, do you believe the Prophets? I know that you [a]do.” 28 Agrippa replied to Paul, “[b]In a short time you [c]will persuade me to [d]become a Christian.” 29 And Paul said, “[e]I would wish to God, that whether [f]in a short or long time, not only you, but also all who hear me this day, might become such as I am, except for these chains.”


Paul himself admitted he was a Christian, I would say trivializing "Christian" as but a nickname shows contempt for the faith.

 

[maco]

1 Peter 4:16

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

16 but if anyone suffers as a Christian, he is not to be ashamed, but is to glorify God in this name.

Acts 11:26

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

26 and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And for an entire year they [a]met with the church and taught considerable [b]numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

Acts 26:27-29

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

27 King Agrippa, do you believe the Prophets? I know that you [a]do.” 28 Agrippa replied to Paul, “[b]In a short time you [c]will persuade me to [d]become a Christian.” 29 And Paul said, “[e]I would wish to God, that whether [f]in a short or long time, not only you, but also all who hear me this day, might become such as I am, except for these chains.”


Paul himself admitted he was a Christian, I would say trivializing "Christian" as but a nickname shows contempt for the faith.

Jesus never honored Sunday. Jesus never taught us anything about Sunday. Sunday is not the Lord's Day. If we are going to exalt the name Christian then we had better be walking like Jesus.

1 John 2:6 The one who says he resides in God ought himself to walk just as Jesus walked.