And Man Created Dog

[muslimsoldier4life]

For all those who deny evolution, how do you explain the dog "evolving, from the Wolf? Man made this event happen, but not unless evolution had a play in allowing certain Wolves to lower their fear of us and realize the benefits of serving man.

And Man Created Dog - YouTube

 

[CabVet]

For all those who deny evolution, how do you explain the dog "evolving, from the Wolf? Man made this event happen, but not unless evolution had a play in allowing certain Wolves to lower their fear of us and realize the benefits of serving man.

You haven't been around here much, have you? Dog and wolf are the same "kind". If you can show with 100% confidence that something evolved into something else, then those two things are the same "kind". But if it is just 99.9% confidence, then evolution is a lie.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Human guided evolution is still evolution, it works by all the same principles except that it is no longer natural selection but rather people choosing which traits they want to have in the next generation. Human guided evolution is seen in most domesticated animals and food crops, and tends to be much faster than evolutionary processes guided by natural selection.

 

[EternalDragon]

You haven't been around here much, have you? Dog and wolf are the same "kind". If you can show with 100% confidence that something evolved into something else, then those two things are the same "kind". But if it is just 99.9% confidence, then evolution is a lie.

Actually a dog and a gray wolf are just two different names for the same thing. (Canis Lupis)

 

[SkyWriting]

Human guided evolution is still evolution, it works by all the same principles except that it is no longer natural selection but rather people choosing which traits they want to have in the next generation. Human guided evolution is seen in most domesticated animals and food crops, and tends to be much faster than evolutionary processes guided by natural selection.

So people aren't a natural part of the environment?
You must be reading a Bible or something.

 

[juvenissun]

For all those who deny evolution, how do you explain the dog "evolving, from the Wolf? Man made this event happen, but not unless evolution had a play in allowing certain Wolves to lower their fear of us and realize the benefits of serving man.

And Man Created Dog - YouTube

Are the wolves in the zoo still wolves after a few generations? Have anyone tried to tame them into dogs?

 

[keith99]

Are the wolves in the zoo still wolves after a few generations? Have anyone tried to tame them into dogs?

Actually yes. There are quite a few people with domesticated wolfs and/or cross breeds of wolf and domestic dogs.

 

[PsychoSarah]

So people aren't a natural part of the environment?
You must be reading a Bible or something.

When humans make the decisions on what individuals in a population get to breed on the basis of traits they find beneficial (such as the cows that produce the most milk and the chickens that lay the most eggs) it is no longer natural selection guided evolution, because it isn't environmental pressures that are guiding it but human breeders. Since humans can effectively prevent animals with undesirable traits from breeding (such as cows that produce little milk or chickens that lay few eggs) human guided evolution is very fast compared to what is seen in nature, but it can only work using the same essential principles that allow for evolution that happens all on its own.

Technically, humans might become the first species that has a direct say in its own evolution.

 

[EternalDragon]

When humans make the decisions on what individuals in a population get to breed on the basis of traits they find beneficial (such as the cows that produce the most milk and the chickens that lay the most eggs) it is no longer natural selection guided evolution, because it isn't environmental pressures that are guiding it but human breeders. Since humans can effectively prevent animals with undesirable traits from breeding (such as cows that produce little milk or chickens that lay few eggs) human guided evolution is very fast compared to what is seen in nature, but it can only work using the same essential principles that allow for evolution that happens all on its own.

Technically, humans might become the first species that has a direct say in its own evolution.

Yet, those animals have not changed into a new, different species. Funny that.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Yet, those animals have not changed into a new, different species. Funny that.

Dogs and house cats have. Many of the food crops we grow have.

 

[AV1611VET]

For all those who deny evolution, how do you explain the dog "evolving, from the Wolf?

That's microevolution, as the wolf is still a dog.

As I understand it, if you remove the wolves, dogs, coyotes and dingos from the earth and start with just two wolves (male & female), in a short time, you'll have wolves, dogs, coyotes and dingos running around.

 

[PsychoSarah]

That's microevolution, as the wolf is still a dog.

As I understand it, if you remove the wolves, dogs, coyotes and dingos from the earth and start with just two wolves (male & female), in a short time, you'll have wolves, dogs, coyotes and dingos running around.

Sure why not, I guess.

However, given the variety of different traits they all have in size, bone structure, and habits, I don't see how you can consider this microevolution and not ape to man evolution. A chihuahua has more differences function speaking from a wolf than a human does from a chimp.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure why not, I guess.

However, given the variety of different traits they all have in size, bone structure, and habits, I don't see how you can consider this microevolution and not ape to man evolution. A chihuahua has more differences function speaking from a wolf than a human does from a chimp.

Are you saying that, if we remove all the apes and humans off the earth, but leave two apes (male & female), that in a short period of time we will have apes and humans running around?

 

[South Bound]

For all those who deny evolution, how do you explain the dog "evolving, from the Wolf?

How did the dog evolve from the wolf?

Both are still canines.

Man made this event happen, but not unless evolution had a play in allowing certain Wolves to lower their fear of us and realize the benefits of serving man.

Do you mean adaptation as the result of selective breeding?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Are you saying that, if we remove all the apes and humans off the earth, but leave two apes (male & female), that in a short period of time we will have apes and humans running around?

Evolution isn't that predictable, but you might end up with a new ape species of similar intelligence, especially if you started out with the ancestor of modern chimps and humans, which had more human traits than any currently living ape.

 

[AV1611VET]

Evolution isn't that predictable, but you might end up with a new ape species of similar intelligence,

Could we get back on topic?

The answer to the OP, in one word: microevolution.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Could we get back on topic?

The answer to the OP, in one word: microevolution.

Couldn't handle the answer I gave to your question? Acknowledge it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Couldn't handle the answer I gave to your question? Acknowledge it.

I can't handle the answer you gave me.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I can't handle the answer you gave me.

Well then, I don't know what to say to that, you can't just dismiss me because you have no argument against what I said, but you refuse to have any change in views either.

 

[RiemannZ]

How did the dog evolve from the wolf?

Both are still canines.

I agree that is poorly formulated, it's more like the current dogs and current wolves share a common ancestral population.

That is how evolution works, all descendants of canines will always be canines, just like all descendants of humans will always be chordates, mammals, and primates. Think additive instead of transformative.

That's why one way to debunk evolution would be for example to show a mammal giving birth to a fish, even though both are chordates they're on separate branches, and evolution predicts that it's impossible. That'd be creation and not evolution.