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What do you do with the law and why? The focus should be the Ten Commandments.
Any argument that Christians must keep any part of the Mosaic Law is just dishonest about the structure and implementation of the Old Testament law, and indicates a severe ignorance about its applications. There are 613 Commandments, all of which are equally important, and all of them must be kept. Or none of them. There is NO distinction in the Mosaic Law between "ritualistic" and "moral" law. Sabbattarian Christians conjure up that self-serving distinction purely out of convenience. They have picked a few of the 613 Commandments at random, based on the ones that happen to tickle their fancy. That is willfully dishonest to the intent of the Law.
If you were to approach an rabbinical expert on the Mosaic Law, and announce self-righteously that you are "keeping the Ten Commandments," they would look on you as though you are mentally deranged. Under Mosaic Law, there is no such a thing as the "Ten Commandments." What we know as the "Decalogue" is subsumed into the overall structure of the 613 Commandments. Judaism does not regard the ten commandments as anything particularly unique or special in relationship to the other 603 Commandments. They are merely ten among many other laws of equal importance.
Out of the mandatory 613 Mosaic laws, Sabbattarians pick and choose a tiny handful that happily coincide with their overall goals of preening self-righteousness over other Christians. They flatter themselves all too easily. If you understand the way the Mosaic law works, all they have merely done is make themselves looks bizarre and foolish. The Apostles repeatedly denounced such behavior as "Judaizing." The Apostles were experts on the Mosaic Law. Sabbattarians are not.
For Christians, Colossians 2:16-17 means what it says.
For Christians, the AD 50 Council of Jerusalem emphatically means what it says: Gentile Christians shall not be bound by the Mosaic law.
Any argument that the Sabbath is a memorial of Creation indicates an profound ignorance of the original Hebrew that both Genesis and Exodus were written in. The writer of the book of Genesis took great pains to make it clear that the Sabbath did not begin at the 7th day of Creation. Hebrew scholars have made that point absolutely clear. The Sabbath commandment was not given to the Children of Israel until at least a month after their delivery from Egyptian slavery. Meanwhile, they would have unintentionally broken the Sabbath at least four times during their crossing of the Sinai. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that anyone kept the Sabbath prior to Sinai. NONE!
Christians began worshiping on Sunday no later than 1 week after the Resurrection. Christ then Ascended on a Sunday. The Day of Pentecost, the Church's Birthday was on a Sunday. It would have been BIZARRE if the early Christians had continued to keep the Sabbath, given the impact those three events clearly would have had on them. Why were all the early Christians in one place on a Sunday when the Day of Pentecost took place? Because they had started doing so in honor of the Resurrection. By the Day of Pentecost, it was an entrenched Christian custom already.
The argument for keeping just one pet commandment out of the 613 of the Mosaic Law simply denigrates the obvious meaning of the crucifixion, the Resurrection, the Ascension and the Day of Pentecost. It is a Salvation by Works theory of "Partial Atonement." It is an argument that one must keep the entirety of the Mosaic Law, because Christ's sacrifice is not enough. Fortunately for Christians, even Christians who keep the Sabbath aren't even CLOSE to meeting that burden.
If you want to keep the Sabbath and have some integrity, you need to go through the full-scale conversion process to Judaism that is mandatory. It is extremely highly-unlikely any Sabbattarian Christian would do that. For an unconverted Gentile to keep the Sabbath is such a serious offense against God, an observant Jew is required the impose of the Death Penalty. Christians who keep the Sabbath are as bizarre as if they suddenly developed a yen to sacrifice some animals in their backyard temple.
What do you do with the law and why? The focus should be the Ten Commandments.
James 2 says that he who is guilty of one is guilty of all.
1Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God".
And of course the actual Bible calls the TEN Commandments the "Commandments of God" (posted so many times now that even the moderators get the point).
in Christ,
Bob
I think we need to kick the dust off our heels. Remember what God said, "In the last days good will be evil and evil will be good."
What do you do with the law and why? The focus should be the Ten Commandments.
Yep, just as in the days of Noah, where God had not specified any commandments.
the focus should be on Christ's lawWhat do you do with the law and why? The focus should be the Ten Commandments.
the focus should be on Christ's law
you mean the same Heb 8 that says the covenant established through Jesus is superior to the old one?Paul says it is Christ speaking His Law at Sinai - in Heb 8:6-11
you mean the same Heb 8 that says the covenant established through Jesus is superior to the old one?
Why do some think that when Jesus ratified the new covenant with His own blood that he was just ratifying the warmed-over old one? asks?
Paul says it is Christ speaking His Law at Sinai - in Heb 8:6-11
I sure don't know how you could possibly put your faith in what the Baptists tell us. After all your church teaches that all other Protestantism is Babylon. And furthermore, I don't give one hoot concerning what churches proclaim, I go by what scripture says. Your continual Baptist example doesn't impress me one iota.Nope... different covenants - same moral law of God as even the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and the "Westminster Confession of faith " freely admit.
Hence it is "still a sin" to take God's name in vain - even for saints.
so then... "the obvious"
Yep, just as in the days of Noah, where God had not specified any commandments.
I sure don't know how you could possibly put your faith in what the Baptists tell us
Why do some think that when Jesus ratified the new covenant with His own blood that he was just ratifying the warmed-over old one? asks?
Taking the name of God in vain was a sin long before the 10 commandments were given to Israel
The wild imagination that Noah and Abraham were "free to take God's name in vain" misses the Genesis 4 fact that it was "sin" to murder even though no "thou shalt not murder" was written in stone in Genesis 3
No wonder almost all Christian denominations agree with the "Westminster Confession of faith" Sectn 19 and the "Baptist Confession of Faith" sectn 19 and the Catholic Catechism on the TEN Commandments.. that the moral law of God written on the heart under the NEW Covenant - includes the TEN Commandments.
Even Paul reminds us that the 5th commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 in that unit of TEN - still valid for all mankind to this very day.
I never claim that Baptists wrote Eph 6:2.
Nope... different covenants - same moral law of God as even the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and the "Westminster Confession of faith " freely admit.
Hence it is "still a sin" to take God's name in vain - even for saints.
Commandments of God including "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 were there long before Sinai as the "Westminster Confession of faith" Sectn 19 and the "Baptist Confession of Faith" sectn 19 and the Catholic Catechism and D.L. Moody and now "even you" appear to admit.