A Pondering of the Peculiar (3)

[Loudmouth]

Religion is man doing prescribed works, which were devised by men, being told that by following the system one will please their God/gods.

That is christianity to a T.

Christianity is literally receiving an inward transformation that makes one able to perceive spiritual connection.

People claim the same for a multitude of different gods, and they are still religions.

 

[GenemZ]

Brought up Lutheran, but then went the non-demonization route for a long time.

Non-demonization route? What do you mean by that?

 

[bhsmte]

Non-demonization route? What do you mean by that?

Independent churchs that did not affiliate with any particular denomination. They are quite common these days.

 

[bhsmte]

Non-demonization route? What do you mean by that?

Freudian slip. Meant - non-denomination.

 

[Dizredux]

Non-demonization route? What do you mean by that?

Freudian slip. Meant - non-denomination.

I kinda like the non-demonization one better.

Dizredux

 

[bhsmte]

Non-demonization route? What do you mean by that?

Freudian slip. Meant - non-denomination.

I kinda like the non-demonization one better.

Dizredux

Upon further review, I believe auto correct did that.

 

[GenemZ]

That is christianity to a T.

Here it is again...

Religion is man doing prescribed works, which were devised by men, being told that by following the system one will please their God/gods.

Its what is called Christianity has BECOME.

Here is a warning how many Christians will turn and follow religion in the name of Christianity.

For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears,
many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their destiny is destruction,
their god is their emotions, and their fame is in their shame.



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Quite often found in the Bible it will be a "majority" of believers who are doing wrong. Many Christians today are not living the Christian way of life. MANY.

What about me, you would ask? Who knows. I am just a reporter. Its what it says. Read it for yourself.

It explains why Christianity can be seen as it is by rejectors of religion. If I were not a Christian? I would have nothing but scorn for what is accepted for Christianity today. I did not want to become a Christian for that reason. And, its to be expected.


The following was written concerning religious believers...

For, as it is written, The name of God is maligned
and blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you!


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See? Its nothing new. Believers have many times had many in their number who reject God's way for their lives and run instead to a form of religion to satisfy their self righteous needs.

Romans 2:24
So be it... Its the way it is.

 

[Davian]

So... You complain about me getting personal and attacking your character?

LOOK WHAT YOU DID!

It reveals your character as you continue to do such a thing.

I pointed out your calling out of other people as stupid as hurtful. How does that reflect on my character?

I can only read your responses in the context in which you present them.

What of the balance of my post?

I am sorry that you have no evidence. God can not be made to be a demonstrable chemistry experiment. So, you got no evidence.

The evidence I have is the evidence you have. So, you got no evidence.

Ask any person on the face of the earth that question.

I have many beliefs about many things. Your lack of being specific leads me to believe you think I must be a mind reader as to what you meant by that. Beliefs on what?

My belief of what? On the atonement? On soteriology? On premillennialism? Limited, or universal atonement? Angelology? Pneumatology? Christology? Hamartiology? Eschatology? Ecclesiology? Anthropology?

I probably still have a lot to learn. Me flawless? hardly. The more I learn something that I had no idea existed the more I realize never to be too sure of myself. But, when I do look in the mirror, I am sure I am not seeing another person.

When I see other Christians rejecting and neglecting sound teachings? I am sure that as flawed as I may be? I am still way ahead in understanding what they could also understand. But, not flawed? hardly.

Back in post #667. You said, "He was using the flaws he perceived in believers as his excuse." The implication there was that the believers were without flaws.

Why do to take such offence at unbelievers pointing out the flaws in your beliefs, such as your lack of evidentiary support for them?

Now... You think your beliefs flawed?

They may be, but they are tentative. I do not hold on to a belief when there is superior evidence to the contrary. How about you?

Do you know without any uncertainty that there is no God?

In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I see no reason to think of gods as anything other than as characters in books. Movies, too. Maybe there is some sort of pantheistic god, but why would anyone care?

Do you lie awake at night worried about extraterrestrial aliens abducting you from your house for the purposes of unpleasant experiments? I don't. Do you?

 

[GenemZ]

Freudian slip. Meant - non-denomination.

.. I call 'denominations...' demon-nations.


We're even.

 

[Davian]

Christianity is not religion. Though what has become of Christianity in many cases has been saturated by a form of religion. I am non religious. Having grew up a Jew I was from the beginning exposed to religion. Religion in any form, to me, had always been seen intuitively as someone having a feeble right lobe.

Christianity is not religion? Should then all of those tax breaks that religion gets not be extended to Christians and their churches? Should that money be paid back?

 

[Davian]

Religion is man doing prescribed works, which were devised by men, being told that by following the system one will please their God/gods.

Christianity is receiving a real inward transformation that makes one able to perceive a spiritual connection.
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Or imagine a spiritual connection. It is not like you can show that it is real.

 

[GenemZ]

Christianity is not religion? Should then all of those tax breaks that religion gets not be extended to Christians and their churches? Should that money be paid back?

Religion in general promotes good moral standards that is conducive to the well being of a healthy society. That much I will grant religion. Christianity is not understood in general. Yet, it too promotes good moral behavior, so it should fall under the same reason why the government will benefit with Christianity under its umbrella of tax exemption.



As found in the North West Ordinance:


Art. 3. Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.

 

[Loudmouth]

Religion is man doing prescribed works, which were devised by men, being told that by following the system one will please their God/gods.

That is christianity. Baptism, communion, how to pray, who to pray for, etc.

Its what is called Christianity has BECOME.

It's what it always was.

 

[GenemZ]

Or imagine a spiritual connection. It is not like you can show that it is real.

Are you really that closed minded and self righteous? Or, do you only act that way? You sound just like a closed minded fundy.

 

[GenemZ]

I pointed out your calling out of other people as stupid as hurtful. How does that reflect on my character?

You can not differentiate between me, and a book? How pathetic your ability to reason must be if that is the case.

It might explain why you keep looking at Christianity through Picasso eyes.

 

[GenemZ]

Why do to take such offence at unbelievers pointing out the flaws in your beliefs, such as your lack of evidentiary support for them?

No offense taken, sir. Pity, maybe. Offense? No.

 

[GenemZ]

That is christianity. Baptism, communion, how to pray, who to pray for, etc.

This is Christianity...

Having no indoctrination. Not knowing about any baptism requirement. Nothing about communion... and not knowing one can actually pray to God.

It was simply accepting what I was told about the Cross of Jesus Christ and after having my entire life turned upside down in a mysterious, supernatural way that you could not even explain to yourself. I did NOT know I had become a Christian! I could not figure out what had gotten hold of me. At one point I assumed I must have discovered I had psychic ability, for dreams of mine were frighteningly coming true.

That is what happened to this Jew after he stopped denying the fact that Jesus was once on a cross dying for mankind's sins. I knew damn well I was sinner at that point of my life, and with no way out except possibly religion... which I found offensive and empty. Or, psychiatry. Which ended up in just as many sects as Christian denominations did.

In my very limited understanding (no indoctrination from childhood) I simply believed Jesus was a good man. A good man who loved God, so much, that he refused to sin. That he died for us who do sin, so that men could know the love of God as he did.

That was all I did! I still continued to have a disdain for the emptiness of religion. But, I was no longer the same person. It was as if I had new eyes and new senses. The supernatural became pertinent to me. Never before had it seemed like a reality. I still did not know I had become a Christian. I did not even know if God was real, but knew that what had happened to me was very real.

 

[Davian]

Religion in general promotes good moral standards that is conducive to the well being of a healthy society. That much I will grant religion.

History books would paint a different picture.

Christianity is not understood in general. Yet, it too promotes good moral behavior, so it should fall under the same reason why the government will benefit with Christianity under its umbrella of tax exemption.

So, God needs money. Seems a shame that the church cannot stand on its own without government assistance.

As found in the North West Ordinance:


Art. 3. Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.

As long as it is the religion of those signing the papers, correct?

 

[Loudmouth]

This is Christianity...

Having no indoctrination. Not knowing about any baptism requirement. Nothing about communion... and not knowing one can actually pray to God.

Matthew 28:16-20

"16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Is the Gospel of Matthew not a part of christianity?

It was simply accepting what I was told about the Cross of Jesus Christ and after having my entire life turned upside down in a mysterious, supernatural way that you could not even explain to yourself. I did NOT know I had become a Christian! I could not figure out what had gotten hold of me. At one point I assumed I must have discovered I had psychic ability, for dreams of mine were frighteningly coming true.

That is what happened to this Jew after he stopped denying the fact that Jesus was once on a cross dying for mankind's sins. I knew damn well I was sinner at that point of my life, and with no way out except possibly religion... which I found offensive and empty. Or, psychiatry. Which ended up in just as many sects as Christian denominations did.

In my very limited understanding (no indoctrination from childhood) I simply believed Jesus was a good man. A good man who loved God, so much, that he refused to sin. That he died for us who do sin, so that men could know the love of God as he did.

That was all I did! I still continued to have a disdain for the emptiness of religion. But, I was no longer the same person. It was as if I had new eyes and new senses. The supernatural became pertinent to me. Never before had it seemed like a reality. I still did not know I had become a Christian. I did not even know if God was real, but knew that what had happened to me was very real.

All you are doing is repeating the tenets of religion for christianity.

 

[Davian]

Are you really that closed minded and self righteous? Or, do you only act that way? You sound just like a closed minded fundy.

Must you make everything personal? Can you not address the content of my post?

I said, it is not like you can show that this "spiritual connection" is real, is it?

I am open to evidence, if you can provide such.