A Pondering of the Peculiar (3)

[HitchSlap]

A person who is a liar, is not the same as someone who may tell an occasional lie.

Not according to Bananaman.

 

[GenemZ]

I said, produce the victim, this 'father' that you speak of.

No mere human being revealed the Father to me. I was not looking for God to reveal himself to me.

Jesus made it clear that what you demand of me is impossible for any Christian to perform.

No one knows who the Father is except the Son
and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”


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I had no idea what I was in for as a young Jewish college student walking down the main corridor on campus while I was reading a tract that had been just handed to me. It was just before entering my next class. No idea at all. I was not looking for God to reveal himself to me. I did not even think it was possible. Never entered my mind.

But, you're asking me to do that for you? Meshuganah!... That's what that is!

Impossible! Talk to the boss about a raise. Not me.

 

[GenemZ]

Really? Please explain.

All humans have stolen something in their lifetime. But, not all men are thieves.

All men will tell some lies. But not all men are liars.

 

[Davian]

No mere human being revealed the Father to me. I was not looking for God to reveal himself to me.

Jesus made it clear that what you demand of me is impossible for any Christian to perform.
<snip empty rhetoric>

No victim, no foul done.

The writers of the bible made it clear that what I asked for is impossible because they knew it was impossible. If they wrote that it was possible, and you tried to do it, you would fail.

It is impossible to produce that which does not exist.

 

[bhsmte]

All humans have stolen something in their lifetime. But, not all men are thieves.

All men will tell some lies. But not all men are liars.

Sure, can't argue with that, which is why I said I agreed with your statement.

What I find common on these boards, is people who do in fact have to lie to themselves and to others, to protect their belief.

 

[Loudmouth]

No.. your god does not. You need evolution to produce your god. Sadly, that will be trillions of years after you have vaporized into nothingness.

My God always was existing. Time was one of his creations. Only with time can there be a beginning. God's life is outside of time, yet is free to time travel as He pleases. There are going to be the most fantastic history lessons given in eternity. We will be there watching as it happened. I want to pet a T-Rex. You?

Projection. Just because you feel it necessary to worship a deity does not mean that everyone else does.

 

[Loudmouth]

How ironic.. The new age Secular Pope has arrived! How dare I question the first church of Science!?

Off with his head! How dare he question our god! The god of science!



You're just as self righteous as those religious prigs you are so quick to mock. Hate the competition for the control of mindless people?

Sour grapes.

 

[PsychoSarah]

All humans have stolen something in their lifetime. But, not all men are thieves.

All men will tell some lies. But not all men are liars.

Is a lie a sin if the person being lied to would be hurt more by the truth than by a lie?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is a lie a sin if the person being lied to would be hurt more by the truth than by a lie?

It depends.

Rahab the harlot lied.

I guess that would fall under situation ethics.

 

[PsychoSarah]

It depends.

Rahab the harlot lied.

I guess that would fall under situation ethics.

Which is why I don't feel that there is a universal objective morality; immoral acts taken out of context can be the most moral choice in a given context.

 

[AV1611VET]

Which is why I don't feel that there is a universal objective morality;

You're not alone.

Ezekiel 33:13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.

Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

 

[PsychoSarah]

You're not alone.

Ezekiel 33:13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.

Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Then why do I see religious people argue that there is a universal objective morality all the time? It doesn't seem to fit with doctrine or reality.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then why do I see religious people argue that there is a universal objective morality all the time? It doesn't seem to fit with doctrine or reality.

I don't know.

Do you see religious people argue that Mary wasn't a virgin?

 

[bhsmte]

All humans have stolen something in their lifetime. But, not all men are thieves.

All men will tell some lies. But not all men are liars.

Could you answer my question in post #700?

 

[Davian]

Could you answer my question in post #700?

Post #451. I think his answer was "no".

 

[GenemZ]

No victim, no foul done.

The writers of the bible made it clear that what I asked for is impossible because they knew it was impossible. If they wrote that it was possible, and you tried to do it, you would fail.

It is impossible to produce that which does not exist.

No one knows who the Father is except the Son
and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”


period.

 

[GenemZ]

What I find common on these boards, is people who do in fact have to lie to themselves and to others, to protect their belief.

Its why Christians have gone and split into countless denominations. One that fits them like mud does a pig. They do not want truth beyond the ABC's. Just enough to make them feel righteous about themselves.

For the time will come when they will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a
great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
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It happened. Yes.


God has no illusions as to what believers can do. God calls them stupid.

Proverbs 12:1

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid.


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Keep in mind.. They are still going to Heaven.

 

[bhsmte]

Its why Christians have gone and split into countless denominations. One that fits them like mud does a pig. They do not want truth beyond the ABC's. Just enough to make them feel righteous about themselves.

For the time will come when they will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a
great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
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It happened. Yes.


God has no illusions as to what believers can do. God calls them stupid.

Proverbs 12:1

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid.


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Keep in mind.. They are still going to Heaven.

Who is right and who wrong? Of course i beliece they are all wrong.

 

[GenemZ]

Who is right and who wrong? Of course i beliece they are all wrong.

Many are wrong. Many will be. Yet, they were all right about one thing.

And? What position are you in to be their judge? Do you want to be? Should you be?

How can you judge what you do not understand, but keep trying to convince yourself that you do? Don't tell me, common sense. For you reject Intelligent Design. You can not pick and choose when common sense is to kick in. You have no clue as to why Christians are Christians. How could you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ePTZezN_Iw

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[GenemZ]

Post #451. I think his answer was "no".

Taking notes I see.

Just got something from that.