A Pondering of the Peculiar (3)

[HitchSlap]

Why don't you post one the list, I am sure you know one or two that agree with the Bible don't you? This list was made up of Young earth/Young universe believers. It is a fact that there is a very large group that do not agree and evolution in its entirety, that's OK right. If the facts were so absolute on evolution then there would be NONE on the side of Creation and Young Earth would they??? The reason science is failing is because it is not allowing for anything it does not agree with. Have you seen the movie; "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" by Ben Stein? That documentary depicts how the bullying goes on in the science crowd if one does not agree with the evolutional theory. If that is not a RED FLAG then what is? Maybe you guys are to smart to know better, I do not know. Very sad to have a "Christian" fall for this deception...

Quite the boondoggle Expelled turned out to be huh? More lyin' fer Jesus.

Ben Stein Contradicts “Crossroads” Explaination for Anti-Evolutionary Film Expelled! | The Bad Idea Blog

Flunked, Not Expelled: Ben Stein Contradicts Mark Mathis | The Austringer

Flunked, Not Expelled: Ben Stein Contradicts Mark Mathis | The Austringer

This ain't our first rodeo, cowboy.

 

[Dizredux]

Quite the boondoggle Expelled turned out to be huh? More lyin' fer Jesus.

Ben Stein Contradicts “Crossroads” Explaination for Anti-Evolutionary Film Expelled! | The Bad Idea Blog

Flunked, Not Expelled: Ben Stein Contradicts Mark Mathis | The Austringer

Flunked, Not Expelled: Ben Stein Contradicts Mark Mathis | The Austringer

This ain't our first rodeo, cowboy.

Not to mention:

Ben Stein's Expelled: No Integrity Displayed - Scientific American

Dizredux

 

[Dizredux]

Why don't you post one the list,

No, I am not going to post a list of over 1300 names.

I am sure you know one or two that agree with the Bible don't you?

I know that many of the worlds researchers are religious. Not all are Christian though so I suspect that not all agree with the Bible.

This list was made up of Young earth/Young universe believers. It is a fact that there is a very large group that do not agree and evolution in its entirety, that's OK right.

A very large group? One estimate of the number of active scientific and engineering research personnel in the world is well over 5 million in 2006. Your 800 is miniscule compared to the numbers of people in the field or research.

Statistically your 800 is not even a scratch on the Project Steve numbers. In other words, there are a few but very few active scientists that believe in YEC.

If the facts were so absolute on evolution then there would be NONE on the side of Creation and Young Earth would they???

Since when was science absolute?

The reason science is failing is because it is not allowing for anything it does not agree with.

Science failing? Can you possible explain what your mean?

Have you seen the movie; "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" by Ben Stein? That documentary depicts how the bullying goes on in the science crowd if one does not agree with the evolutional theory. If that is not a RED FLAG then what is? Maybe you guys are to smart to know better, I do not know. Very sad to have a "Christian" fall for this deception...

Expelled? Could you find a worse example of integrity or honesty?

Dizredux

 

[GenemZ]

In this world science is failing, but not losing its game. There is a difference.

Ephesians 6:12

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood,
but against the rulers, against the authorities,
against the powers of this dark world and against
the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
​

Science has become the new RCC as it had been in the dark ages (not the RCC today). Suppressing anything that gets in its way by telling people what to think. People who can not think for themselves.

This is the Devil's world. Christians should learn to accept that factor. Ambassadors do not tell the country they so happen to live in, to live as they do. The ambassador should simply want to maintain his freedom to live according to his own culture of his homeland.

If the world wants wholesale abortions, God is not going to be less pleased with unbelievers than he already is. Its Christians who need to live as they should, and leave the world to its own devises. Yet, when the world wants to trample on religious freedom... then that's when something needs to be said.

Let the atheist believe what he wants. He can not believe any other way. It may be profitable to dialogue with atheists as to learn new things a Christian may not be aware of. But, an atheist? Stop acting like the Bible is a lie in regards to the atheist. One can not change the spots of the leopard. Let him say what he wants. If the people listening to the atheist are anti faith, they will follow the ways of the world. Expose if you can, so some who are being peer pressured to follow, may find escape. But the atheist himself will not change. If he did? It would take the direct intervention by God. God saved Paul. God can save an atheist.

Other than that? Personally, I like a good challenging dialogue. I like it when atheists claim to find contradictions in the Bible, for it forces me to come to know the Bible better than before the challenge was presented.

Christians remember... We are here to change ourselves via transformation by God's grace by growing in the Truth, not here to change the unbeliever as long as he remains in unbelief. We can present the Gospel when able to. But, we are not to keep pushing it if its continuously rejected. Dust off your sandals and move on.

If Christians really wanted to make the segment of the world they live in a better place to live? Then Christians need to drop the root for the home team mentality, and stop rooting for what turns them on emotionally. But, they need to find churches where the Word of God is taught by those who are skilled in teaching with accuracy. At times, serving bitter medicine to cure what ails him.

When enough Christians seek the truth and not some rah! rah! rah! teachings? God will move His Spirit to secure that area where faithful Christians are found, even while the unbeliever remains in unbelief.

Its when the church fails to want to be taught properly, and to learn with diligence, that God removes his blessings on the land. God blesses all when Christians are faithful to God's Word. The same rain falls on the righteous and unrighteous when God blesses a land. Blesses because of faithful Christians growing in that area. Turn unfaithful unto false teachings? Then the blessings of God will be withdrawn and everyone suffers.

Matthew 5:13

“You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has
become tasteless, how can it be made salty again?
It is no longer good for anything, except to be
thrown out and trampled under foot by men.
​

Salt was used as a preservative in that day. It also added zest to food. Good solid Christianity helps restore zest in a culture. We used to have it. Not anymore. Faithful Christians acted like salt and preserved national blessings. Unfaithful Christians who teach distortions end up losing their preservative effect. It says that their land ends up being trampled on by men. Trampled on by secular humanism. That is why the propaganda of lies will prevail. No salt. Only half baked Christianity.

Matthew 5:13

“You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has
become tasteless, how can it be made salty again?
It is no longer good for anything, except to be
thrown out and trampled under foot by men.


​

We're being trampled as a culture... No salt. No preservation of national freedoms.

 

[BrotherRickG]

Quite the boondoggle Expelled turned out to be huh? More lyin' fer Jesus.

Ben Stein Contradicts “Crossroads” Explaination for Anti-Evolutionary Film Expelled! | The Bad Idea Blog

Flunked, Not Expelled: Ben Stein Contradicts Mark Mathis | The Austringer

Flunked, Not Expelled: Ben Stein Contradicts Mark Mathis | The Austringer

This ain't our first rodeo, cowboy.

Double post, a little to much drink I think... you need a hug

 

[Davian]

Chemtrails? Those will only get you if you are not wearing your tin-foil hat.

This is just the latest evidence.

What evidence?

If you were not so arrogant

Enough with the personal comments. As a Christian, should you not try to set an example for the non-theists?

you would be looking around to see what else the elites are doing to our world.

I'm busy right now dealing with my little corner of the world.

No matter what side of evolution you fall on you are missing the here and now.

What "sides" are those? "Science" and "anti-science"?

According to Snowden, chemtrails are part of a ‘benevolent’ program to stop global warming. By cooperating with jet fuel manufacturers (and though he doesn’t say this, likely branches of the military) the government has been spraying the skies with chemicals in order to keep us from severe draught and other weather patterns which would cause famine in large swaths of the United States. But here’s the biggest shocker – with cooperation from Monsanto, a secret geo-engineering lab was set up, known by insiders as the ‘crown jewel’ or Muad’Dib. This lab has been operating since the 1960s without the knowledge of the people.

This is not evidence.

 

[Davian]

So why isn't the moon in our laps by now. It has had enough time in you timeline with the Lunar Recession to have totally destroyed the earth by now.

Ahh, there was a Lunar Recession Gap, right?

BTW, it think it is about 3.4 billion years past due. That is a huge gap.

"Recession" means that it is moving *away* from the Earth. Where do you get this stuff?

 

[Davian]

In this world science is failing, but not losing its game. There is a difference.

Ephesians 6:12

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood,
but against the rulers, against the authorities,
against the powers of this dark world and against
the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
​

Science has become the new RCC as it had been in the dark ages (not the RCC today). Suppressing anything that gets in its way by telling people what to think. People who can not think for themselves.

This is the Devil's world. Christians should learn to accept that factor. Ambassadors do not tell the country they so happen to live in, to live as they do. The ambassador should simply want to maintain his freedom to live according to his own culture of his homeland.

If the world wants wholesale abortions, God is not going to be less pleased with unbelievers than he already is. Its Christians who need to live as they should, and leave the world to its own devises. Yet, when the world wants to trample on religious freedom... then that's when something needs to be said.

Let the atheist believe what he wants. He can not believe any other way. It may be profitable to dialogue with atheists as to learn new things a Christian may not be aware of. But, an atheist? Stop acting like the Bible is a lie in regards to the atheist. One can not change the spots of the leopard. Let him say what he wants. If the people listening to the atheist are anti faith, they will follow the ways of the world. Expose if you can, so some who are being peer pressured to follow, may find escape. But the atheist himself will not change. If he did? It would take the direct intervention by God. God saved Paul. God can save an atheist.

Other than that? Personally, I like a good challenging dialogue. I like it when atheists claim to find contradictions in the Bible, for it forces me to come to know the Bible better than before the challenge was presented.

Christians remember... We are here to change ourselves via transformation by God's grace by growing in the Truth, not here to change the unbeliever as long as he remains in unbelief. We can present the Gospel when able to. But, we are not to keep pushing it if its continuously rejected. Dust off your sandals and move on.

If Christians really wanted to make the segment of the world they live in a better place to live? Then Christians need to drop the root for the home team mentality, and stop rooting for what turns them on emotionally. But, they need to find churches where the Word of God is taught by those who are skilled in teaching with accuracy. At times, serving bitter medicine to cure what ails him.

When enough Christians seek the truth and not some rah! rah! rah! teachings? God will move His Spirit to secure that area where faithful Christians are found, even while the unbeliever remains in unbelief.

Its when the church fails to want to be taught properly, and to learn with diligence, that God removes his blessings on the land. God blesses all when Christians are faithful to God's Word. The same rain falls on the righteous and unrighteous when God blesses a land. Blesses because of faithful Christians growing in that area. Turn unfaithful unto false teachings? Then the blessings of God will be withdrawn and everyone suffers.

Matthew 5:13

“You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has
become tasteless, how can it be made salty again?
It is no longer good for anything, except to be
thrown out and trampled under foot by men.
​

Salt was used as a preservative in that day. It also added zest to food. Good solid Christianity helps restore zest in a culture. We used to have it. Not anymore. Faithful Christians acted like salt and preserved national blessings. Unfaithful Christians who teach distortions end up losing their preservative effect. It says that their land ends up being trampled on by men. Trampled on by secular humanism. That is why the propaganda of lies will prevail. No salt. Only half baked Christianity.

Matthew 5:13

“You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has
become tasteless, how can it be made salty again?
It is no longer good for anything, except to be
thrown out and trampled under foot by men.


​

We're being trampled as a culture... No salt. No preservation of national freedoms.

Post #373. How'd that test drive go? Not so well?

 

[BrotherRickG]

In this world science is failing, but not losing its game. There is a difference.

Ephesians 6:12

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood,
but against the rulers, against the authorities,
against the powers of this dark world and against
the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
​

Science has become the new RCC as it had been in the dark ages (not the RCC today). Suppressing anything that gets in its way by telling people what to think. People who can not think for themselves.

This is the Devil's world. Christians should learn to accept that factor. Ambassadors do not tell the country they so happen to live in, to live as they do. The ambassador should simply want to maintain his freedom to live according to his own culture of his homeland.

If the world wants wholesale abortions, God is not going to be less pleased with unbelievers than he already is. Its Christians who need to live as they should, and leave the world to its own devises. Yet, when the world wants to trample on religious freedom... then that's when something needs to be said.

Let the atheist believe what he wants. He can not believe any other way. It may be profitable to dialogue with atheists as to learn new things a Christian may not be aware of. But, an atheist? Stop acting like the Bible is a lie in regards to the atheist. One can not change the spots of the leopard. Let him say what he wants. If the people listening to the atheist are anti faith, they will follow the ways of the world. Expose if you can, so some who are being peer pressured to follow, may find escape. But the atheist himself will not change. If he did? It would take the direct intervention by God. God saved Paul. God can save an atheist.

Other than that? Personally, I like a good challenging dialogue. I like it when atheists claim to find contradictions in the Bible, for it forces me to come to know the Bible better than before the challenge was presented.

Christians remember... We are here to change ourselves via transformation by God's grace by growing in the Truth, not here to change the unbeliever as long as he remains in unbelief. We can present the Gospel when able to. But, we are not to keep pushing it if its continuously rejected. Dust off your sandals and move on.

If Christians really wanted to make the segment of the world they live in a better place to live? Then Christians need to drop the root for the home team mentality, and stop rooting for what turns them on emotionally. But, they need to find churches where the Word of God is taught by those who are skilled in teaching with accuracy. At times, serving bitter medicine to cure what ails him.

When enough Christians seek the truth and not some rah! rah! rah! teachings? God will move His Spirit to secure that area where faithful Christians are found, even while the unbeliever remains in unbelief.

Its when the church fails to want to be taught properly, and to learn with diligence, that God removes his blessings on the land. God blesses all when Christians are faithful to God's Word. The same rain falls on the righteous and unrighteous when God blesses a land. Blesses because of faithful Christians growing in that area. Turn unfaithful unto false teachings? Then the blessings of God will be withdrawn and everyone suffers.

Matthew 5:13

“You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has
become tasteless, how can it be made salty again?
It is no longer good for anything, except to be
thrown out and trampled under foot by men.
​

Salt was used as a preservative in that day. It also added zest to food. Good solid Christianity helps restore zest in a culture. We used to have it. Not anymore. Faithful Christians acted like salt and preserved national blessings. Unfaithful Christians who teach distortions end up losing their preservative effect. It says that their land ends up being trampled on by men. Trampled on by secular humanism. That is why the propaganda of lies will prevail. No salt. Only half baked Christianity.

Matthew 5:13

“You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has
become tasteless, how can it be made salty again?
It is no longer good for anything, except to be
thrown out and trampled under foot by men.


​

We're being trampled as a culture... No salt. No preservation of national freedoms.

Very well said. I look at the point to be here is for the searcher not the ones who choose not to listen. Especially on a Christian forum. We never know who would stumble onto this thread that was looking for something you might say that allows them to make the right choice. It is no surprise that the Atheist and Evolutionist would search out the forum that is against their belief structure. They are praying on the innocence in my opinion. That is why it is good that someone like myself who was not able to seek out higher education than an associates degree, unlike yourself and others that probably have a few extra letters by their name, because of circumstances beyond my control.

Would any of the people on this thread be any dumber if they were not able go through the college they went through or would they just not have the scientific vernacular?

 

[Davian]

I bet you would agree with me if I said 61; 13,500,000,000 / 220,000,000 = 61.

Actually, I don't have a number. I just ask the question, knowing that spinning galaxies do not fit well into YEC worldviews.

As you did not provide units to those numbers, let me guess, and say that you put the age of the Milky Way galaxy at 13.5 billion years old, and the observed rotational speed at 220 million years.

Do you accept those numbers? Or are they just a placeholder you are going to use for delivering a devastating blow to the standard model of cosmology?

But we have a problem with that number.

I have problems with those numbers, but carry on. Where do you get this stuff?

The stars of our own galaxy, the Milky Way, rotate about the galactic center with different speeds, the inner ones rotating faster than the outer ones. The observed rotation speeds are so fast that if our galaxy were more than a few hundred million years old, it would be a featureless disc of stars instead of its present spiral shape. Yet our galaxy is supposed to be at least 10 billion years old. Evolutionists call this

Evolutionists? Since when do evolutionists do cosmology?

"the winding-up dilemma (excuse, cough, GAP!)," which they have known about for fifty years. They have devised many theories to try to explain it, each one failing after a brief period of popularity. The same "winding-up" dilemma also applies to other galaxies. For the last few decades the favored attempt to resolve the puzzle has been a complex theory called "density waves (excuse, cough, GAP!)." This theory has conceptual problems, it has to be arbitrarily and very finely tuned, and has been called into serious question by the Hubble Space Telescope's discovery of very detailed spiral structure in the central hub of the "Whirlpool" galaxy, M51.

You are copying from AiG?

Using copyrighted material in your posts without citation is against site rules, and intellectually dishonest.

Tell me, in your own words, what you think the issue is with the density wave explanation?

More dilemmas, does anyone have the right answer or are we all to rely on FAITH.

Empty rhetoric.

If the standard model of cosmology was upended tomorrow, it would not affect the price of milk, or how I raise my children.

By your use of the religious word "faith", it means you have nothing.

Either we believe in a purpose for life or we believe we are purposeless of life.

I believe in a purposeful life, thanks. What has that to do with cosmology?

 

[GenemZ]

Cool. Let us take this for a test drive:

genez, are you open to the possibility that all gods, including your own, are nothing but characters in books, and religion is merely a rider on the human mind's demonstrable ability for self-deception? Will you carefully consider the idea that the atheists have it right, and are fully justified in their scepticism?

What say you?

Including my own God? I am 65 years old this year. When I was around 18-19, my Lord showed me then where I am today. You have no idea. You really do not.

 

[BrotherRickG]

"Recession" means that it is moving *away* from the Earth. Where do you get this stuff?

You are correct, my bad . I mixed the Lunar Recession with a different study.

Lunar Recession. The moon is slowly moving farther away from the earth. This has to do with the fact that the earth’s spin is slowing down due to tidal friction and other factors. Lunar recession was first observed by Edmund Halley in the late 1600s (the same Edmund Halley who is credited with being the first to predict the 76-year orbit of the famous comet which bears his name). Given the rate of lunar recession today, the fact that it has gradually accelerated over time, and several other factors, physicists have determined that the earth-moon system could not have existed beyond 1.2 billion years (you can review the mathematical equations involved at The Center for Scientific Creation). This is 3.4 billion years less time than old-earth advocates are willing to accept. Furthermore, the closer the moon gets to the earth, the greater its influence on our tides. We can’t go too far back in time before we would all drown twice a day.

 

[Dizredux]

May the Lord Jesus give wisdom to the un-wise and understanding to the stubborn and self examination to the arrogant.

Could you possibly entertain the idea that this may also refer to you?

Dizredux

 

[BrotherRickG]

Could you possibly entertain the idea that this may also refer to you?

Dizredux

Absolutely, and how about you?

 

[GenemZ]

Quite the boondoggle Expelled turned out to be huh? More lyin' fer Jesus.

Ben Stein Contradicts “Crossroads” Explaination for Anti-Evolutionary Film Expelled! | The Bad Idea Blog

Flunked, Not Expelled: Ben Stein Contradicts Mark Mathis | The Austringer

Flunked, Not Expelled: Ben Stein Contradicts Mark Mathis | The Austringer

This ain't our first rodeo, cowboy.

You're concentrating on some disagreement between Ben Stein and his producer. Fine. The move still made some fantastic points.

But, you stick with their disagreement. Its safe.

 

[Davian]

Including my own God? I am 65 years old this year. When I was around 18-19, my Lord showed me then where I am today.

Really? Posting empty rhetoric on a little internet forum? And you knew this that long ago?

You have no idea.

Still, by your own words, you are the bully here.

You really do not.

Can you be sure of that? How do you know I do not have it right?

 

[Davian]

You are correct, my bad . I mixed the Lunar Recession with a different study.

Lunar Recession. The moon is slowly moving farther away from the earth. This has to do with the fact that the earth’s spin is slowing down due to tidal friction and other factors. Lunar recession was first observed by Edmund Halley in the late 1600s (the same Edmund Halley who is credited with being the first to predict the 76-year orbit of the famous comet which bears his name). Given the rate of lunar recession today, the fact that it has gradually accelerated over time, and several other factors, physicists have determined that the earth-moon system could not have existed beyond 1.2 billion years (you can review the mathematical equations involved at The Center for Scientific Creation). This is 3.4 billion years less time than old-earth advocates are willing to accept. Furthermore, the closer the moon gets to the earth, the greater its influence on our tides. We can’t go too far back in time before we would all drown twice a day.

Another cut and paste with no citation. There is no math - or science, it would seem - on that linked page.

Tidal forces accelerate the Moon within its orbit, but the rate at which it moves away each year decreases. You are wrong again.

Try wiki:

"Gravitational coupling between the Moon and the bulge nearest the Moon acts as a torque on Earth's rotation, draining angular momentum and rotational kinetic energy from Earth's spin.[113][115] In turn, angular momentum is added to the Moon's orbit, accelerating it, which lifts the Moon into a higher orbit with a longer period. As a result, the distance between Earth and Moon is increasing, and Earth's spin slowing down."

Moon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eventually the Earth and Moon will be tidally locked, showing the same face to the other continuously, and they will no longer move any further apart (all subject to the red giant phase of the Sun).

 

[Davian]

Very well said. I look at the point to be here is for the searcher not the ones who choose not to listen. Especially on a Christian forum. We never know who would stumble onto this thread that was looking for something you might say that allows them to make the right choice. It is no surprise that the Atheist and Evolutionist would search out the forum that is against their belief structure.

Atheism is not a belief structure.

What of all the Christians that accept the scientific theory of evolution, and universal common descent?

They are praying on the innocence in my opinion.

"Preying"? To whom are you referring to as the victims here?

That is why it is good that someone like myself who was not able to seek out higher education than an associates degree, unlike yourself and others that probably have a few extra letters by their name, because of circumstances beyond my control.

Would any of the people on this thread be any dumber if they were not able go through the college they went through or would they just not have the scientific vernacular?

No, they would just have less formal education.

FYI, the non-christianforums.com link in your signature is in violation of the site rules.

 

[GenemZ]

Really? Posting empty rhetoric on a little internet forum? And you knew this that long ago?

I did not know it then. I knew it when I walked into it years later.

Still, by your own words, you are the bully here.

OK.. I'm the bully. Now pass the butter, please.

Can you be sure of that? How do you know I do not have it right?

You can try to dismantle it within your denial of there even being a possibility.., but you can not understand it. For, you would have to be knowing God is real in order to do so. You can't. What I said about you having no idea is simply a fact. No bullying. Its just a fact. You do not understand spiritual matters. By stating that it makes me a bully?

 

[BrotherRickG]

Another cut and paste with no citation. There is no math - or science, it would seem - on that linked page.

Tidal forces accelerate the Moon within its orbit, but the rate at which it moves away each year decreases. You are wrong again.

Try wiki:

"Gravitational coupling between the Moon and the bulge nearest the Moon acts as a torque on Earth's rotation, draining angular momentum and rotational kinetic energy from Earth's spin.[113][115] In turn, angular momentum is added to the Moon's orbit, accelerating it, which lifts the Moon into a higher orbit with a longer period. As a result, the distance between Earth and Moon is increasing, and Earth's spin slowing down."

Moon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eventually the Earth and Moon will be tidally locked, showing the same face to the other continuously, and they will no longer move any further apart (all subject to the red giant phase of the Sun).

Wiki, Really. That is the most unreliable area to stand behind. It works like this: One puts in a article or study and then like minded people ad to it and if there is a correction then the same type of people will either accept or deny the correction. I do think it is good for simple research, but to stand by with that much faith, you might as well read the Bible and then have a new life. You will like the Bible better also.

I cite the Bible as my reference source.

Matt 10:32-33
32 "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.

Now that was Preachy