What's one mediator mean

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

Some will tell us that we can have "others" besides Jesus as our mediator...

Most times they will have some way "around" why they can do the opposite of what it says and somehow justify it as ok....

So the word says there's one named Jesus and only one
between God ------jesus------ man

Somehow they make the above scripture untrue while saying they don't


Now you have your mediator but somehow you don't think he knows his job so you call your mother........ See how this doesn't make sense

if I told You there are 6 wires but ONLY ONE wouldn't kill you if you touched it

now I say the red wire is Not live.... Will you then go and touch the others?


You simply can't do the opposite it says and then justify that you found a way round that rule..... Besides Mary sleeps as per my sleep or not to sleep


Unless you don't go by the word of God that is..... But if the church "speaks" for God why does it speak differently....

That should tell you enough but atlas I doubt anyone would change their minds and follow scripture over mans teachings....

Mans tradtions and teachings do not hold up to God and won't....


If I give you instructions on disarming the bomb Would you then go by different ones?

 

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So how is it that you follow the instructions on the wire and the bomb but somehow not scripture?

You know you would die that's why you follows instructions ahhh but since you don't die using another mediator seems harmless

but if God says there is only one between Himself and you how is adding Mary NOT changing that from One to Two?

Will God then listen to you Another way? Than what he says?


No ofcourse not cause He would go against his word....

 

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You work at the zoo and there's a cage and it has a 1200 lb grizzly bear in it and I say

now the other cages have TWO DOORS between you and the bear but this cage only has one door between you and the bear


Would you then assume there are two?

 

[Rhamiel]

it is disgusting how people try to get around the fact that Jesus is our one Mediator... why I have even seen Christians ask family and friends to pray for them when they are going through a hard time
do they not know that they can go directly to God? they do not need family or friends to pray for them in their moments of pain.

they ignore the scripture that talks about only having ONE MEDIATOR...

yeah.... that is kind of how you sound....

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

Rhamiel
There's a difference between asking someone to pray "for" you


AND PRAYING TO SOMEONE TO THEN TAKE THAT PRAYER TO JESUS
if only you could understand the 2 are not even the same thing....

Someone prays for you --->Jesus---->Father
you pray--->Jesus--->Father


Does that help ya


Now what you do


You Pray--->Mary--->Jesus---->Father


See the difference.....


This is what really happens


You pray-->Mary-->..................


Nothing because you do it a differnet way than God says to do it...


Now for God to hear your prayer that would mean that he lies when he says there is ONE MEDIATOR between himself and you and that's JESUS.... So if you say God hears you through Mary then God lies about one mediator....

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

Oh and thanks for calling me disgusting.... After all that was directed at me

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

When you go before the Father Christ blood stands before you as a believer and it is Jesus and ONLY Jesus who gave that blood so it is Jesus and ONLY Jesus who can mediate over that blood because it is the blood sacrifice that the Father wants so ONLY Jesus can represent you....


But then you say Jesus needs help I'll call my mom.......


How hard do you have to make things for others...

When has ONE NOT MENT ONE?


If God says ONE and he also wanted Mary to be a go between (mediator)
then He wouldn't of said ONE!

To be blunt - you already have Mary as your mediator and scriptures not gonna over rule what the rcc teaches you.... Plain and simple..... You would rather believe ONE means TWO than look into what ONE ment....


How can it be one IF TWO ARE INVOLVED? It can't


So iqnore it when someone like me isn't putting scripture on your computer screen
but then fight against them to stand for TWO when the bible says ONE


Who will God listen to his own words or yours?

 

[Sword of the Lord]

You intentionally used the name God over Father. There is one mediator between us and the Father, and that is the Son, Jesus. Sometimes Mary is asked by the faithful to go to Jesus for us, who in turn goes to the Father. Stop using deception.

 

[parsley]

Before Jesus' earthly ministry, thousands of years' worth of direct prayer to Jehovah and direct hearing from God occurred. The prophets spoke out and delivered God's messages to people, by hearing directly from God.

Consider that mediation is a court term, where Jesus offered the once-for-all gesture of standing in our place, where judgment is concerned.

Romans 8 shows both Jesus and the Holy Spirit interceding for us.

26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;

27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?
33 Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies (renders innocent);
34 who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised , who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.

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And in a sense, the Father is also shown as interceding for us, because He made the decision to accept the price paid to declare us washed clean of guilt.

What more could we ask! (Thanks, God.)

 

[justinangel]

Some will tell us that we can have "others" besides Jesus as our mediator...

That includes St. Paul.

You have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace that was given to me for your benefit.
Ephesians 3, 2

Grace originates from God, yet our heavenly Father desires that we who are faithful should mediate and share the abundance of graces which we have received, proportionate to the measure of our spiritual gifts and charity, with others for the sake of their spiritual wellbeing. The great apostle helped save many souls as a co-worker with God (cf. 1 Cor 3:9). He served our Lord by mediating his grace to others through his zealous prayers and sacrifices as a witness for Christ in the exercise of his divine office (cf. Phil 1:3-9). He believed that he was making up for what was lacking in our Lord’s afflictions by suffering for the sake of preaching the Gospel and leading people to salvation as a human instrument and channel of divine grace (cf. Col 1:24). As the founder of the Christian theology of human mediation, the apostle Paul naturally asked other Christians to pray for him so that he would receive the graces he vitally needed to faithfully fulfill his apostolic mission (cf. Eph 6:18-20). He placed much hope in their prayers; confident that our Lord would honour their petitions and bestow upon him the graces he so earnestly sought and relied on to succeed in his ministry.

Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and humankind (cf. 1 Tim 2:5), by which St. Paul means that only our Lord and Saviour could redeem the world and reconcile it with the Father in strict justice by atoning for the sins of the world through the shedding of his precious blood. However, our Lord’s principal mediation in his humanity does not necessarily preclude our mediation by right of friendship with our heavenly Father in and through Christ through the offering of our intercessory prayers. 'First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, ... This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth' (1 Tim. 2: 1-4). In other words, the apostle has no intention of emphasizing that Jesus Christ is the only mediator in the economy of salvation. Exegete Manuel Miguens has pointed out that v.5 should be translated from the Greek to mean: "There is one and the same God for all, and there is one and the same mediator for all." Christ alone has served as a ransom for us all with his sacred blood as the sacrificial paschal lamb of God. 'For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all,' (1 Tim. 2:5-6). The Father’s merciful love and benevolence, and the eternal atonement made for us by the Son, who serves as both priest and victim, are for the entire world: both Jew and Gentile alike.

In v.5 the Greek word for “one” is heis. Paul would have been gravely inconsistent in his theology of human mediation if he had chosen the word monos instead. According to Miguens, the latter Greek word “signifies ‘only’ in the sense of exclusive uniqueness,” whereas the former term “denotes a sameness of function.” The apostle could not possibly have meant that there is numerically one human mediator in the divine work of salvation. What he meant was that Jesus is the one mediator par excellence between God and humankind who alone paid the ransom for the sins of the world with his precious blood. Neither Catholic nor Eastern Orthodox Christians see Mary's mediatory role in the economy of salvation as similar and equal to that of Christ's. So your argument is nothing but a straw man.

Every man has received grace, ministering the same to one another: as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
1 Peter 4, 10

Come to him, to that living stone, rejected by men but in God’s sight chosen and precious; and like living stones be yourselves built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 2, 4-5

“I salute you, O Mary, Theotokos: through you…John exulted while still in his mother’s womb, and the lamp adored the everlasting light…, grace ineffable came forth, the true light came into the world, our Lord Jesus Christ…Through you, the Conqueror of death and destroyer of hell has come forth…Through you, the beauty of the Resurrection flowered, and its brilliance shone out…, the tremendous baptism in the Jordan has shone out, John and the river Jordan are made holy, and the devil is cast out…Through you, every faithful soul achieves salvation.”
St. Cyril of Alexandria, Homily 11 at the Council of Ephesus (A.D. 431)

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[SMA12]

You intentionally used the name God over Father. There is one mediator between us and the Father, and that is the Son, Jesus. Sometimes Mary is asked by the faithful to go to Jesus for us, who in turn goes to the Father. Stop using deception.

BOOM! Now that was a knowledge bomb

 

[justinangel]

Rhamiel
There's a difference between asking someone to pray "for" you

AND PRAYING TO SOMEONE TO THEN TAKE THAT PRAYER TO JESUS
if only you could understand the 2 are not even the same thing....

Someone prays for you --->Jesus---->Father
you pray--->Jesus--->Father

Praying to someone, whether that person is Jesus or Mary, is supplicating them. When we supplicate, entreat, or beseech Mary, we do in fact ask her to pray for us to her divine Son; confident our Lord will hear her prayers more for her sake than for ours because of the greater love he has for his mother and her pre-eminent position in the order of grace. Meanwhile, when we pray directly to Jesus, we are addressing him in his humanity. It is in his humanity that Jesus acts as our principal Mediator before the Father. So there is no way that we deify Mary by entreating her Son through her patronage.

Now what you do

You Pray--->Mary--->Jesus---->Father

See the difference.....

This is what really happens

You pray-->Mary-->..................

Nothing because you do it a differnet way than God says to do it...

Grace originates from God the Father through the merits of God the Son, and the distribution of divine grace which has been merited by the Son is appropriated to the Holy Spirit. By virtue of her Divine motherhood and her mystical union with the Holy Spirit, Mary has a universal role in the dispensation of all grace by the Third Person of the Holy Trinity. It was through Mary's meritorious collaboration with the Holy Spirit that the Divine Word became man, and so Jesus wills that he continues to come to us through her. In her designation of universal Mediatrix of all Grace, we understand Mary to be the physical instrument and channel of all grace distributed by the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit who operates through Mary just as He also operates through the sacraments of the Church. In this sense, then, all the graces merited for us by Christ come to us through the prayerful intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary who was intimately associated with him in his work of redemption because she freely willed to collaborate with the Holy Spirit and cooperate with His divine grace. The expression "To Jesus through Mary," therefore, more accurately means 'To Jesus through the Holy Spirit'; since our Blessed Mother acts only in and through the Holy Spirit who came upon her at the Annunciation after He had sanctified her soul at the first instant she was conceived.

Now for God to hear your prayer that would mean that he lies when he says there is ONE MEDIATOR between himself and you and that's JESUS.... So if you say God hears you through Mary then God lies about one mediator....

Mary does not propitiate God the Father for our sins. She prayerfully acts as a physical channel of divine grace in union with the operation of the Holy Spirit. Her mediation essentially differs from that of her Son and rests on His merits. If Mary can merit grace for us because of her ineffable union with the Holy Spirit, it is only because Christ has merited this divine privilege for her with his blood. Obviously you have no idea what Catholics truly believe.

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