Legalization or dangers of marijuana

[jacks]

Then if Ohio legalizes it before next season the Cleveland Browns will finally make it to the Super Bowl.

Coincidence sounds more accurate.

Cleveland Browns! Marijuana can't preform miracles!

 

[Ana the Ist]

Cleveland Browns! Marijuana can't preform miracles!

Ha!

 

[Paradoxum]

I think that Americans are over-medicated and put way too many unneeded substances into their bodies.

I think that, no matter what side people are on, the issue of prohibition is fighting over symptoms and failing to address underlying social problems.

It's about fighting for liberty, which is a good in itself, regardless of what you think an underlying social problem is.

To say that opposing the abolition of prohibition is ignorance or any of the other things you name is oversimplifying. People should not have to either take sides in a controversy that they think misses the point or be called "ignorant", an "authoritarian lowlife", etc.

I think it's completely true... opposition is either ignorance or authoritarianism. You didn't give me a reason think otherwise. If you simply take no side, then it would seem that you are apathetic to the oppression of people's liberty.

You may think people consume things you don't like, but you can nevertheless support their liberty to do it. Just like you can disagree with someone's speech, but nevertheless defend their right to be wrong.

I'd defend your free speech, would you defend my liberty?

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

Does marijuana use REALLY lead to use of hard drugs like heroin and cocaine? Is it any more lethal than alcohol and cigarettes? Unless it is mixed with an illegal, harder drug such as ecstasy, I rarely ever hear about marijuana causing accidents, disease, or death. In those areas, legal drugs such as OTC and prescription medication, alcohol, and cigarettes are even more deadly. Having said that, why are people so against the legalization of marijuana when low grade marijuana can be used for medical purposes? Why is marijuana legal when alcohol and cigarettes that are far more addictive? Is that hypocritical?

The legalization of Weed in the States that allow it, is a very slippery slope. It is wrought with all kinds of issues that are coming to the surface during the last few months in particular. In Colorado, the Weed Stores are big targets for Grand Larceny Felony crime and many have been hit ... sometimes repeatedly.

What these States are going to realize sooner or later is :

1. Their legalized Weed is going to be used recreationally a lot, compared to medical reasons. This opens a can of worms such as driving stoned and being a danger to society, weed working its way into younger and younger kids in time , and other forms of moral degradation that will come about as a result of it.

2. There will be more non-driving accidents occuring to those smoking it as well as those not smoking it but were near the person.

2.a. It will continue to harm many Users especially mentally as it drastically changes chemicals in the brain ... which will be bad for many Users in the long haul.

3. There will be increased stealing of it amongst its Users .

4. There will be more arrests in the neighboring States that don't allow it .

5. There will be more moral degradation in those neighboring States .

5.a. There will be more smuggling outbound to other countries .

6. It will turn the USA into a greater shame than it already is , in the eyes of the world .

7. God has a far better plan of getting 'high'...and its permanent, doesn't wear off, it good for you , is life changing, ... and its making him #1 and the Person #2 . Getting high on the Creator is a much better solution .

 

[dies-l]

The legalization of Weed in the States that allow it, is a very slippery slope. It is wrought with all kinds of issues that are coming to the surface during the last few months in particular. In Colorado, the Weed Stores are big targets for Grand Larceny Felony crime and many have been hit ... sometimes repeatedly.

What these States are going to realize sooner or later is :

1. Their legalized Weed is going to be used recreationally a lot, compared to medical reasons. This opens a can of worms such as driving stoned and being a danger to society, weed working its way into younger and younger kids in time , and other forms of moral degradation that will come about as a result of it.

2. There will be more non-driving accidents occuring to those smoking it as well as those not smoking it but were near the person.

2.a. It will continue to harm many Users especially mentally as it drastically changes chemicals in the brain ... which will be bad for many Users in the long haul.

3. There will be increased stealing of it amongst its Users .

4. There will be more arrests in the neighboring States that don't allow it .

5. There will be more moral degradation in those neighboring States .

5.a. There will be more smuggling outbound to other countries .

6. It will turn the USA into a greater shame than it already is , in the eyes of the world .

7. God has a far better plan of getting 'high'...and its permanent, doesn't wear off, it good for you , is life changing, ... and its making him #1 and the Person #2 . Getting high on the Creator is a much better solution .

As an attorney and recovering addict who has spent plenty of time working with potheads, I disagree with all these except 7 (though I find the verbiage kind of tacky).

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

As an attorney and recovering addict who has spent plenty of time working with potheads, I disagree with all these except 7 (though I find the verbiage kind of tacky).

Seems rather ironic that you are a professed Christian Attorney who is supposed to embrace Biblical principles, biblical wisdom, biblical morals and ethics , correct living, et al ... plus be concerned for a more civilized America .... yet you disagree with numbers 1 thru 6 . I find that remarkably disappointing .

 

[dies-l]

Seems rather ironic that you are a professed Christian Attorney who is supposed to embrace Biblical principles, biblical wisdom, biblical morals and ethics , correct living, et al ... plus be concerned for a more civilized America .... yet you disagree with numbers 1 thru 6 . I find that remarkably disappointing .

Oh well. Sometimes, facts are disappointing to people who don't want to believe them.

I agree that smoking pot is morally wrong. I just don't see any evidence to support the claims that you are making nor do I agree with the idea that all things morally wrong should be illegal.

 

[LOVEthroughINTELLECT]

It's about fighting for liberty, which is a good in itself, regardless of what you think an underlying social problem is...

I think it's completely true... opposition is either ignorance or authoritarianism. You didn't give me a reason think otherwise. If you simply take no side, then it would seem that you are apathetic to the oppression of people's liberty.

You may think people consume things you don't like, but you can nevertheless support their liberty to do it. Just like you can disagree with someone's speech, but nevertheless defend their right to be wrong.

I'd defend your free speech, would you defend my liberty?

If we could simply say that the lawmakers and government executives behind the prohibition all had a meeting and decided, "We are going to take away people's liberty", then the nature and source of the issue would be clear.

But it is not that simple. Americans are over-medicated and abuse all kinds of medical and non-medical substances. The causes are likely things such as how stressful our way of life is. I think that addressing the concrete things that cause the problem, not fighting for abstractions such as liberty, is the best response.

 

[HitchSlap]

Seems rather ironic that you are a professed Christian Attorney who is supposed to embrace Biblical principles, biblical wisdom, biblical morals and ethics , correct living, et al ... plus be concerned for a more civilized America .... yet you disagree with numbers 1 thru 6 . I find that remarkably disappointing .

"And God said, See, I have given you every herb that yields
seed which is upon the face of all the earth, ..."

Uh oh, now what?

 

[Ana the Ist]

"And God said, See, I have given you every herb that yields
seed which is upon the face of all the earth, ..."

Uh oh, now what?

Besides, near as I can tell, Jesus's blood alcohol percentage must be 12-13%. There's no way he could drive like that....though it could explain why he could walk on water.

 

[madaz]

Why is marijuana legal when alcohol and cigarettes that are far more addictive? Is that hypocritical?

I agree it doesnt make sense that more harmful drugs like alcohol and nicotine are legal, it makes even less sense that some countries even allow advertising of these products.

Here in Australia it is legal to buy synthetic marijuana over the counter, I have tried it and the effect is very much like marijuana except it is much much stronger than marijuana.

And kids of any age can purchase it!!

...yet marijuana is still illegal.

Go figure!

 

[Standing_Ultraviolet]

1. Their legalized Weed is going to be used recreationally a lot, compared to medical reasons. This opens a can of worms such as driving stoned and being a danger to society, weed working its way into younger and younger kids in time , and other forms of moral degradation that will come about as a result of it.

The first part of this is pretty much a given. Legalized marijuana in Washington and Colorado is intended to be used recreationally. That said, it doesn't follow that driving stoned and being "a danger to society" necessarily follow. I have never operated a vehicle while under the influence of alcohol, despite the fact that I can and do legally consume alcohol (moderately, of course).

For the same reasons that the government doesn't allow children to consume alcohol, it wouldn't allow them to use marijuana, either. Children might get it, but that would still be illegal, as it is now. The only increase might be due to the fact that it would be more available, but the idea that children might get their hands on something illegally doesn't factor into whether or not it should be legal for adults as much as you're suggesting here. Given that, the "moral degradation" you're referring to seems pretty vague and undefined. People who are likely to overindulge in marijuana if it is legal are the same people who are likely to overindulge in alcohol currently. Nothing would change, other than a lower risk of addiction, and much less dangerous withdrawal for those who do become addicted (which yes, is possible).

2. There will be more non-driving accidents occuring to those smoking it as well as those not smoking it but were near the person.

I don't actually understand what this means. Marijuana can cause clumsiness, and if it's legal, operating heavy equipment should be illegal while using it. The same is true for alcohol and the prescription drugs that some people need, though.

2.a. It will continue to harm many Users especially mentally as it drastically changes chemicals in the brain ... which will be bad for many Users in the long haul.

It's difficult to know what mental effects could be, given different findings from a variety of different sources. Adults can make decisions that cause them harm, though. I'm an atheist. Technically, I would self-identify as a naturalistic pantheist, but for all intents and purposes, that's basically the same thing. If you are correct in your beliefs, I am going to Hell. Should my beliefs be illegal because they may be harmful for me in the long haul, or should I be allowed to hold them because I am a human being with the right to self-determination? Flip this around. Religion can sometimes cause or exacerbate anxiety, and if I'm correct, then that anxiety is needless and harmful, leading to potential physical and mental complications that could substantially reduce life expectancy and quality of life. Religion very obviously should not be illegal because I think that it can cause harmful anxiety, though. Anyone who believes that it should be is a tyrannical authoritarian.

Outside of exceptional circumstances, adults should be able to make bad decisions. If someone chooses to use marijuana to the extent that it causes them physical or mental harm, that is their decision.

3. There will be increased stealing of it amongst its Users .

Citation needed.

4. There will be more arrests in the neighboring States that don't allow it .

This is true, but irrelevant to the question of whether marijuana should be legal.

5. There will be more moral degradation in those neighboring States .

Again, this seems meaningless enough for someone to fit whatever their definition of "moral degredation" is into the blank. It's impossible to address for that reason. Intoxication is unlikely to be more frequent because of legalized marijuana, though.

5.a. There will be more smuggling outbound to other countries .

Very doubtful. Cartels in Central and South America can produce as much marijuana as they want, with as little regulation as they want. They're not going to get involved in the marijuana industry in Washington, Colorado, or the country of Uruguay, because it's regulated there. In fact, they're likely to keep American marijuana out of their country to protect their own market.

6. It will turn the USA into a greater shame than it already is , in the eyes of the world .

Most parts of the western world are fairly okay with the idea of legalizing marijuana. The developing world couldn't care less, in general.

7. God has a far better plan of getting 'high'...and its permanent, doesn't wear off, it good for you , is life changing, ... and its making him #1 and the Person #2 . Getting high on the Creator is a much better solution .

Er, okay. I'm not suggesting that it's a good idea to get high, but this definitely isn't a legal argument for why it should be illegal to get high on marijuana in your own home. It's definitely a bad idea, and it might well be immoral, but that doesn't mean that it should be illegal.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

..............nor do I agree with the idea that all things morally wrong should be illegal.

Then you don't mind moral degradation infusing a Nation . Your Christianity is quite different from The Bible and Gods infinite nature of purity, righteousness, and morality as the standard for how we should live. Did becoming a Lawyer lead you to your conclusion ?

 

[Standing_Ultraviolet]

Then you don't mind moral degradation infusing a Nation . Your Christianity is quite different from The Bible and Gods infinite nature of purity, righteousness, and morality as the standard for how we should live. Did becoming a Lawyer lead you to your conclusion ?

Most theologians, historically, have been much closer to his view than to yours. The general belief of the medieval scholastics, for instance, was that the modern state (as opposed to the Israelite state described in the Bible) is intended to provide for temporal peace, rather than to attempt to bring the soul to heaven through legislation.

Accordingly in human government also, those who are in authority rightly tolerate certain evils, lest certain goods be lost, or certain evils be incurred: thus Augustine says: "If you do away with harlots, the world will be convulsed with lust."

While obviously the medieval state was much less secular than the modern one, views of theonomy, where the state enforces moral principles that aren't related to public order, weren't very common. Since your position is the newer one, it's the one that requires defending, rather than his.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

The first part of this is pretty much a given. Legalized marijuana in Washington and Colorado is intended to be used recreationally. That said, it doesn't follow that driving stoned and being "a danger to society" necessarily follow. I have never operated a vehicle while under the influence of alcohol, despite the fact that I can and do legally consume alcohol (moderately, of course).

For the same reasons that the government doesn't allow children to consume alcohol, it wouldn't allow them to use marijuana, either. Children might get it, but that would still be illegal, as it is now. The only increase might be due to the fact that it would be more available, but the idea that children might get their hands on something illegally doesn't factor into whether or not it should be legal for adults as much as you're suggesting here. Given that, the "moral degradation" you're referring to seems pretty vague and undefined. People who are likely to overindulge in marijuana if it is legal are the same people who are likely to overindulge in alcohol currently. Nothing would change, other than a lower risk of addiction, and much less dangerous withdrawal for those who do become addicted (which yes, is possible).

I don't actually understand what this means. Marijuana can cause clumsiness, and if it's legal, operating heavy equipment should be illegal while using it. The same is true for alcohol and the prescription drugs that some people need, though.

It's difficult to know what mental effects could be, given different findings from a variety of different sources. Adults can make decisions that cause them harm, though. I'm an atheist. Technically, I would self-identify as a naturalistic pantheist, but for all intents and purposes, that's basically the same thing. If you are correct in your beliefs, I am going to Hell. Should my beliefs be illegal because they may be harmful for me in the long haul, or should I be allowed to hold them because I am a human being with the right to self-determination? Flip this around. Religion can sometimes cause or exacerbate anxiety, and if I'm correct, then that anxiety is needless and harmful, leading to potential physical and mental complications that could substantially reduce life expectancy and quality of life. Religion very obviously should not be illegal because I think that it can cause harmful anxiety, though. Anyone who believes that it should be is a tyrannical authoritarian.

Outside of exceptional circumstances, adults should be able to make bad decisions. If someone chooses to use marijuana to the extent that it causes them physical or mental harm, that is their decision.

Citation needed.

This is true, but irrelevant to the question of whether marijuana should be legal.

Again, this seems meaningless enough for someone to fit whatever their definition of "moral degredation" is into the blank. It's impossible to address for that reason. Intoxication is unlikely to be more frequent because of legalized marijuana, though.

Very doubtful. Cartels in Central and South America can produce as much marijuana as they want, with as little regulation as they want. They're not going to get involved in the marijuana industry in Washington, Colorado, or the country of Uruguay, because it's regulated there. In fact, they're likely to keep American marijuana out of their country to protect their own market.

Most parts of the western world are fairly okay with the idea of legalizing marijuana. The developing world couldn't care less, in general.

Er, okay. I'm not suggesting that it's a good idea to get high, but this definitely isn't a legal argument for why it should be illegal to get high on marijuana in your own home. It's definitely a bad idea, and it might well be immoral, but that doesn't mean that it should be illegal.[/QUOTE/}

In order...

1. When you come to understand the Human heart , will, and self seeking motives....you will understand that recreational usage of mind altering Weed will be used in ALL venues including driving an automobile because People want what THEY want and right now . Its foolish to expect a Person who wants a mind altering experience for temporary escapism , to apply good ethics and common sense before doing so. To expect that , is to expect that a Sexual Hedonist will take a trip to his/her local Health Dept. every time after using another for a copulation to be safe for the next Sex Partner.

2. Children will get their hands on virtually everything that Adults are associated with , and if mind altering drugs are made legal... they will think that it cant be all that bad since their State condones it and even promotes it. It sends a confusing message . And just as children seem to find their Parents firearms in their house, they will find the Weed . A significant increase in addiction will be had on future children...but then again, America doesn't care too much about its Youth -- particularly while developing in what supposed to be the 'safest place' on earth, such as a Mothers womb.

3. Taking any mind altering drug whether alcohol, weed, etc...is going to result in more accidents to oneself and others. That's why we have warnings on Prescription Meds and Over the Counter Meds such as 'may impair vision' / 'don't drive while taking' / 'may cause drowsiness' / etc... But again considering human depravity, such things are met with apathy as well.

4. In a civil and concerned society, we encourage others to keep away from dangerous or potentially dangerous things and activities (except to teach our Grade Schoolers that homosexuality is ok to do (with 78% of all AIDS coming from 2% of the Population -- Male Homosexuality ) because we are concerned about their safety. The idea in a well functioning society, is to lessen people making foolish decisions which result in harm to Oneself and eventually to a Nation . Add to that the financial burden placed on a Nation from wreckless behavior of its citizens and you've got a recipe for disaster.

<snip rest. I think you get my point anyway> .

The travesty is : Our local and Government Leaders have bought into apathy hook, line, and sinker....which is now Americas most accurate characterization . Expect continued further fallout resulting from Godless decisions and complacency .

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

Most theologians, historically, have been much closer to his view than to yours. The general belief of the medieval scholastics, for instance, was that the modern state (as opposed to the Israelite state described in the Bible) is intended to provide for temporal peace, rather than to attempt to bring the soul to heaven through legislation.



While obviously the medieval state was much less secular than the modern one, views of theonomy, where the state enforces moral principles that aren't related to public order, weren't very common. Since your position is the newer one, it's the one that requires defending, rather than his.

Your reply would be valid, except, the Standard is not from a Theologian ---- the standard has and always will be something greater and beyond Mans skewed way of thinking ; and that would be our Creators nature, character, and Person when deciding what truth is. Absolute Truth is defined as : Fidelity to the Original .... and that Original is the Creator and not Mans desires, Mans motives for pleasure seeking fun, not even an errant Judicial System operated by fallible Humans which gives God lip-service but isn't interested in his authority and standards any longer.

 

[Standing_Ultraviolet]

1. When you come to understand the Human heart , will, and self seeking motives....you will understand that recreational usage of mind altering Weed will be used in ALL venues including driving an automobile because People want what THEY want and right now . Its foolish to expect a Person who wants a mind altering experience for temporary escapism , to apply good ethics and common sense before doing so. To expect that , is to expect that a Sexual Hedonist will take a trip to his/her local Health Dept. every time after using another for a copulation to be safe for the next Sex Partner.

I didn't say that there would be no issues with stoned driving. The problem just won't increase over drunk driving. No one is saying that stoned driving (or doing any other dangerous activity while high) should be legal. It's just that making something illegal to prevent other crimes is very rarely acceptable, and when it is, it's because there is no legitimate or even reasonably safe reason for the desired thing (hence why nuclear weapons are illegal for private ownership).

And, although I'm not a sexual hedonist, I know people who are. They tend to be more likely to use protection, sometimes because they do, in fact, care about the health of their partner. Sometimes, it's because they're egotistical and only care about their own health.

2. Children will get their hands on virtually everything that Adults are associated with , and if mind altering drugs are made legal... they will think that it cant be all that bad since their State condones it and even promotes it. It sends a confusing message . And just as children seem to find their Parents firearms in their house, they will find the Weed . A significant increase in addiction will be had on future children...but then again, America doesn't care too much about its Youth -- particularly while developing in what supposed to be the 'safest place' on earth, such as a Mothers womb.

Alcohol is a mind altering drug, too. It changes your mental state pretty significantly, actually. One drink is usually enough to make an average person consciously aware of their emotional alteration. After two or three, you start to notice a marked difference in external behavior. At that point, before drunkenness but after slight intoxication begins, it's also a very pleasant sensation, and children are going to notice that it appears to make their parents happier. They're unlikely to see a responsible parent smoking marijuana (because of potential second hand effects), but every child sees their parents drink, unless their parents are teetotalers.

Yet, alcohol is legal, and you can have it in your home if you have children.

3. Taking any mind altering drug whether alcohol, weed, etc...is going to result in more accidents to oneself and others. That's why we have warnings on Prescription Meds and Over the Counter Meds such as 'may impair vision' / 'don't drive while taking' / 'may cause drowsiness' / etc... But again considering human depravity, such things are met with apathy as well.

And, that's when you make it illegal to operate a motor vehicle while under the influence. No problems with that.

4. In a civil and concerned society, we encourage others to keep away from dangerous or potentially dangerous things and activities (except to teach our Grade Schoolers that homosexuality is ok to do (with 78% of all AIDS coming from 2% of the Population -- Male Homosexuality ) because we are concerned about their safety. The idea in a well functioning society, is to lessen people making foolish decisions which result in harm to Oneself and eventually to a Nation . Add to that the financial burden placed on a Nation from wreckless behavior of its citizens and you've got a recipe for disaster.

We keep people from doing things that are dangerous to others because obviously you don't have a right to pose a danger to other human beings. When it comes to potentially self-endangering behaviors, there's a very real trade off between human freedom (which naturally comes with responsibility) and the desire to protect. With a few exceptions where freedom isn't seriously imposed on (requiring people to wear a seat belt while in a car, for instance), you have to have an extreme reason to do that. Marijuana use does not cross that threshold.

<snip rest. I think you get my point anyway> .

The travesty is : Our local and Government Leaders have bought into apathy hook, line, and sinker....which is now Americas most accurate characterization . Expect continued further fallout resulting from Godless decisions and complacency .

Er...you didn't address some of my more serious arguments, but okay.

Your reply would be valid, except, the Standard is not from a Theologian ---- the standard has and always will be something greater and beyond Mans skewed way of thinking ; and that would be our Creators nature, character, and Person when deciding what truth is. Absolute Truth is defined as : Fidelity to the Original .... and that Original is the Creator and not Mans desires, Mans motives for pleasure seeking fun, not even an errant Judicial System operated by fallible Humans which gives God lip-service but isn't interested in his authority and standards any longer.

Then let's go to the Bible.

There is no legal prohibition in the Torah regarding the use of alcohol to excess, even though the Bible is very clear that it is morally unacceptable. That is roughly analogous to the issue presented here.

 

[Oafman]

Then you don't mind moral degradation infusing a Nation .

I for one certainly don't mind your idea of moral degradation, because I think you have a deeply flawed concept of morality

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

I didn't say that there would be no issues with stoned driving. The problem just won't increase over drunk driving. No one is saying that stoned driving (or doing any other dangerous activity while high) should be legal. It's just that making something illegal to prevent other crimes is very rarely acceptable, and when it is, it's because there is no legitimate or even reasonably safe reason for the desired thing (hence why nuclear weapons are illegal for private ownership).

And, although I'm not a sexual hedonist, I know people who are. They tend to be more likely to use protection, sometimes because they do, in fact, care about the health of their partner. Sometimes, it's because they're egotistical and only care about their own health.



Alcohol is a mind altering drug, too. It changes your mental state pretty significantly, actually. One drink is usually enough to make an average person consciously aware of their emotional alteration. After two or three, you start to notice a marked difference in external behavior. At that point, before drunkenness but after slight intoxication begins, it's also a very pleasant sensation, and children are going to notice that it appears to make their parents happier. They're unlikely to see a responsible parent smoking marijuana (because of potential second hand effects), but every child sees their parents drink, unless their parents are teetotalers.

Yet, alcohol is legal, and you can have it in your home if you have children.



And, that's when you make it illegal to operate a motor vehicle while under the influence. No problems with that.



We keep people from doing things that are dangerous to others because obviously you don't have a right to pose a danger to other human beings. When it comes to potentially self-endangering behaviors, there's a very real trade off between human freedom (which naturally comes with responsibility) and the desire to protect. With a few exceptions where freedom isn't seriously imposed on (requiring people to wear a seat belt while in a car, for instance), you have to have an extreme reason to do that. Marijuana use does not cross that threshold.



Er...you didn't address some of my more serious arguments, but okay.



Then let's go to the Bible.

There is no legal prohibition in the Torah regarding the use of alcohol to excess, even though the Bible is very clear that it is morally unacceptable. That is roughly analogous to the issue presented here.

Its not good rationale to justify yet another mind altering drug for public consumption BECAUSE there exists other more common things out there that accomplish the same thing ; the idea is to LESSEN the problem society faces with these and not to add to the equation. Further, you seem to not understand that just because something may be illegal , people will therefore automatically obey that law -- not in America . In fact, its a favorite pastime to push the proverbial envelope on pleasure seeking . As America gets further away from God , it will come to greater moral ruin and that affects ALL segments of a society once theres a huge cesspool of immorality and lack of proper ethics.

You said : 'And, although I'm not a sexual hedonist, I know people who are. They tend to be more likely to use protection, sometimes because they do, in fact, care about the health of their partner' . REPLY: The current statistics show that Sexual Hedonists are NOT ethical concerned People . Consider :

a. In the U.S., over 60,000,000 Adult Americans (not including Teens) are carriers of at least 1 STD of which there are 33 circulating STD's ; 2 of these end the life of a Participant in a premature very painful death in both the homosexual and heterosexual Communities . The most common STD is Genital Herpes which is permanent for life and in fact, I have a female friend who acquired this on her very first premarital sexual encounter when she was 20 . Its a lifetime reminder for her now. (still not married at age 60 , above average looks, shapely body, good job , financially secure... maybe it was the Genital Herpes that was the deal-breaker (?) ) .

b. 'Protection' such as condoms haven't been the Savior either ; Studies and Polls indicate most have unprotected sex . Further, condoms are misapplied/they come off in times of passion/ they tear/they rip/ they ooze out sperm if not properly controlled after [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] / and the holes in a latex condom are larger in diameter than the disease of HIV is . So, I wouldn't put your trust in this 'savior' .

c. Why would someone who is immersed in and believes in the lifestyle of using another for temporary satisfaction which is unethical and not very nice .... all of a sudden acquire a sense of morality and ethics in getting examined after each Sexual episode , for an acquired STD ? Can we expect Someone who is unethical , strangely switch gears to being ethical when considering their next Sexual exploit ?! Doesn't work that way at all -- one irresponsible act begats another . Further, do you believe an Unethical Sexual Hedonist whos now become an Addict after many years that has acquired an STD which he knows about ... will all of a sudden exit out of the 'fun' ? Highly unlikely.

You see....there is a common thread in everything that is immoral, unethical, wrong , proven dangerous....that People make a lifestyle out of ; and it is this : The degree of apathy required to engage in these things is the catalyst for One willfully suppressing their Moral Conscience (ought-ness) to gain the temporary pleasurable shot of that which is absolutely wrong ... only it feels 'right' to the senses . In short, Ones authority trumps Gods authority in life which allows the Genie of personal destruction to take place --- and eventually an entire Nation of people who grab the same delusion.

I don't expect you to understand these principles or ideology, because they derive from a Godly viewpoint .... and it seems you may not be in that camp if I am correct (?) . However, I do hope one day your shall for you will never have regret for surrendering your life to Christ. Only blessing will follow , and, into eternity.

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

I for one certainly don't mind your idea of moral degradation, because I think you have a deeply flawed concept of morality

I understand your thinking because pride keeps you as 'the captain of your Soul' instead of Gods rightful place. Therefore, your in a cocoon of your own world unable to see the BIG picture ... the picture which has God as #1 and Self as #2 where authority is concerned. I was at that place once in life. Today, I desire absolute truth coming from an absolute truth Provider ... and I find that so refreshing . I gave up the charade of pretending there was no Creator , only to embrace him . It takes stabbing pride with a sharp knife though...and its something that goes against our human grain. Do it, and you wont believe how different life becomes . Eternity especially.