These sunday sources affirm the TEN Commandments as the moral law of God - binding since Eden on all mankind - and still binding on the saints today.
The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson
I think you need to remember that "details matter" -
The way that works is to 'notice' that I refer to them as "Sunday sources" -- my claim is not that they do not try to "bend the 4th commandment" my point is that they claim it still applies and that all mankind is still obligated by the TEN Commandments as the moral law of God -- and that as given by God it was "The SEVENTH day" in Eden and remained that same day to the NT time of the cross.
Irrefutable and never touched by Bugkiller - if you have a place where he addressed it remotely - please show us. I think this is the point where his argument fizzled.
I quote Bugkiller from here -
http://www.christianforums.com/t7680094/#post61453199
We find these words at Charles Stanley's Handbook for Christian Living: Biblical Answers to Life's ... - Charles F. Stanley - Google Books page 37 -
We still have a moral obligation to observe the Sabbath.
The Christian Sabbath, through the New Covenant is the Lord's Day.
The Lord's Day is the first day of the week, Sunday, the day Christ finished His labor and rose from the dead.
We find this on a devotional page - The Fourth Commandment | Reformed Bible Studies & Devotionals at Ligonier.org
Moreover, keeping the day of rest holy also showed ones love for God. The rationale for Sabbath observance is the imitation of the Creator, who worked for six days and then rested on the seventh (Gen. 1:12:3). Fundamentally, we show our love for God in our desire and effort to be holy as He is holy; His holiness is a pattern for us to copy in our everyday lives (Eph. 5:12). The ancient Israelite was duty bound to structure his entire life as God structured His, with designated periods of work and rest.
The same principle of imitation applies to new covenant believers as well,
although we no longer observe a seventh-day Sabbath.
Instead,
the first day of the week is set aside for Christian worship. There is no specific change in day mentioned in the New Testament, but the change was good and proper. Under the old covenant, the Sabbath celebrated Gods work of creation. We celebrate Gods creation under the new covenant as well, only now the focus is on the new creation in Christ (Gal. 6:15), which was established in His resurrection on the first day of the week. (bolded highligh is my addition for attention.)
It can clerarly be seen that none of the above theologians promote the keeping of the 7th day sabbath. They in fact refer to Sunday generally when using the word sabbath.
Bugkiller requoted them here -
http://www.christianforums.com/t7680094-2/#post61529018
and for your convenience -
There are many whose occupation will not permit them to observe Sunday, but
they should observe some other day as a Sabbath. DL Moody
The Lord's Day is the first day of the week, Sunday, the day Christ finished His labor and rose from the dead. Charles Stanley
Instead, the first day of the week is set aside for Christian worship. There is no specific change in day mentioned in the New Testament, but the change was good and proper. Under the old covenant, the Sabbath celebrated Gods work of creation. We celebrate Gods creation under the new covenant as well, only now the focus is on the new creation in Christ (Gal. 6:15), which was established in His resurrection on the first day of the week. RC Sproul
Well I guess you can continue to promote religion and death if you wish.
As Bugkiller showed they don't do as you say. They don't promote the 4th commandment. As such they don't promote the law as an obligation of Christians.
I quote you - I think you need to remember that "details matter" -
You choose to ignore the fact these people worship on Sunday and not Saturday as a rule and even call Sunday the Christian Sabbath. In ignoring them you say Bugkiller never touched on them. For your argument he showed your witnesses to be unreliable at best. I would like you to provide where you addressed the quotes Bugkiller provided from the same sources in that debate. They're either not there or I've over looked them. If you simply say I over looked them I'll take it as they're indeed non existent. I think that is the case. So link your argument or quote it with post number.
They preach against sin not an obligation to the law. Yes I understand the ammunition they provide. That is most unfortunate.
In your quote form R C Sproul I find you quoted from the first paragraph and ellipsis this (
Following Gods law, therefore, does not mean obeying it to secure our right standing in His heavenly court, for we can stand before Him by His grace alone (Eph. 2:89).) out of the quote skipping 2 paragraphs. Why did you delete the above blue bolded quote from you quote?
Now what exactly are you saying Bugkiller never touched on? He even quoted the same people and from the same sources?