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A Pondering of the Peculiar

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GenemZ

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I want peace, not war, but a lot of atheist forums are pure venom. That is why I like this site. Many of the atheists here are used to being around theists, and while I will admit some are buttholes, many are decent and respectful.


Many unbelievers are decent and respectful. How would being decent and respectful cause you to see God?

Not holding back what you do not want to hear, is not being disrespectful.
 
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Many unbelievers are decent and respectful. How would being decent and respectful cause you to see God?

Not holding back what you do not want to hear, is not being disrespectful.

I suppose being a decent and respectful person is its own reward. Why should I seek to attain positive qualities only for the sake of some deity? Is it not fine to be a better person just because you want to be better? I don't need extra incentive to better myself.
 
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Yep. Confirmed Catholic. Got mit unz. No atheists allowed in Nazi party.


Means nothing. I was born a Jew and bar mitzvah'd. Still found Jesus Christ.


The SS were spiritists...Not atheists.
 
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Hitler was your kind of Christian. You would have loved his version of the beatitudes.

I find it predictable how atheists agree, to agree with other atheists, if they think what they agree to, will upset Christians. You agree?


:preach: Vee vill vipe the earth clean of the Jewish wermin! :amen:


Hitler was a Christian. And, I am an atheist.

Don't know why you have to be that way about it.
 
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Hell is where God is not.

Which probably sounds good to you, but means absolutely nothing. Even you haven't got the faintest idea what that soundbite means.

It was a decision to give man the choice to love God or to not.

Really? That was nice of him. Pick wrong and it's eternal torment for you, sunbeam. Oh, by the way, I'm a loving god. Oh yes. And I also knew what you would decide before I even made you because I'm omniscient. Nice of me to make billions of people I already knew would end up in hell. I'm considerate like that.

Gods nature is that souls not be held against their will.

That's right, they are completely free to reject me and suffer in hell for all eternity, even though being omniscient I already knew which ones would reject me but I made them anyway already knowing their fate. Yes, choose me or choose hell. But I'm a loving god.

He could have left us as soul-less slaves with no freedom to choose, but that doesn't really sound like the perfect option.

What freedom is there when your choice was already known to him before he made you? Oh yes, you have the freewill to choose, but he already knows what choice you will use your freewill to make before he made you, so that was nice of him. "Ooh look, here's another one who won't use his freewill to choose me, shall I make him anyway, knowing he will reject me, the loving god, and spend eternity in hell? Yes, why not? After all, I'm a nice guy."

We must just accept that having the choice is the only true option.

Yes, we must accept that it's either your god or hell. Hang on, why must we? Because some people a few thousand years ago who didn't know any better invented the idea? Call me radical but I'm seeing a few more options here.

Because not having the choice sounds worse.

Does it? Not having Hobson's choice of your way or no way? This choice of yours you are so keen of foist on us is no choice at all.

What would you choose, slavery or choice?

The only slavery on offer is being advertised by your god. "You may choose to reject me as your master, of course you can, I'm a loving god and would never make anyone follow me without a choice, but, just so you know, if you happen to exercise your generously given freewill..." (thanks, god, for allowing us to make up our own minds, you are so kind to grant us permission to try and think...), "yes, but...if you do happen to exercise your right to freedom of thought, which I gave you by the way and don't you ever forget it, and you decide not to choose me, then it's hell for you for all eternity. I'm sure you'll agree, that's only fair. Because I'm a loving god who loves all the you, even if I did know before I made each and every atheist/muslim/Hindu/Buddhist etc, before I made each of them I knew what they would choose and where they would end up for all eternity because I'm omniscient. But I made them anyway, because I'm a loving god I am"

You know, call me a nitpicker, but there might just be a flaw or two in this religion of yours.
 
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Yep. Confirmed Catholic. Got mit unz. No atheists allowed in Nazi party.
She didn't say Hitler was a Christian -- she said Hitler was Christian.

Do you know the difference?
 
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I beg your pardon?

And what kind of Christian am I?


Wooops.. :sorry:

I thought I saw the little atheist wearing a 1920's style football helmet icon on your profile. Missed it. I see now you were being facetious.
 
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Wooops.. :sorry:

I thought I saw the little atheist wearing a 1920's style football helmet icon on your profile. Missed it. I see now you were being facetious.
Ain't no thing! ;)
 
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He placed himself in a position of vulnerability. One that you could be free to love, or hate. Same thing happened with the angels in a different way. They were made free to love the Lord, or to hate them.

You are free to choose... They were too.
Matthew 11:23
And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will descend to Hades;
for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained
to this day.



Imagine that!

If Jesus had performed the same miracle in Sodom? They would have been convinced to repent.

There is a point where for God to try harder would become evil in itself. Like offering Hitler his own private island and 30 concubines for all eternity if he would only believe.

Garbage goes to the dump. With men, this garbage chooses to be garbage.

Free to love or hate?

Why such extremes?

What about simply not believing the story? I don't have to hate something to not believe it is true, do I? In fact, it is a little difficult to hate something you don't believe exits.
 
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