Govt. to Split Jerusalem

[Zugzwang]

‘Govt. to Split Jerusalem – Where are the Rabbis?’ - Inside Israel - News - Israel National News

The government is planning to cede several sites in ancient Jerusalem to Muslim and Christian ownership, and Israel’s rabbis remain silent, Rabbi Yisrael Ariel has accused.
“There is a terrible plan, called the ‘holy basin,’ to split Jerusalem between Christians, Muslims and Jews,” Rabbi Ariel said, speaking to Arutz Sheva.
Rabbi Ariel, who heads the Temple Institute, continued, “The Christians will get the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and Mount Zion, the Muslims will get the Temple Mount, and we Jews will need to visit the Kotel (Western Wall) under the auspices of the Palestinian Authority.”

 

[Faulty]

Technically, it's a split between Jews, Muslims, and the RCC. I dread that day as I believe the US will be heavily judged for our involvement in the dividing of the land.

 

[Frogster]

well, i did not read the link, but if israel is involved, and it's their call, why will i be judged here, as a son of the blessing of Abraham, for what they do over there, all while they are under a curse Gal 3:10, and are not sons of Abe, all while people quote the blessing curse thing, given to Abe the gentile while he was a gentile, in 12:3, all while it said father of many nations, a gentile inclusive definition.

So I can't be cursed, they are cursed, I am in the promised blessing, it is not about land with the church, or this constant fusing of the US, with israel, we are in NT times now, the body of Christ is not jew or greek, gal 3:28, Col 3:11,they are not children of God, the Jews, by flesh, rom 9:8.

 

[Yitzchak]

Technically, it's a split between Jews, Muslims, and the RCC. I dread that day as I believe the US will be heavily judged for our involvement in the dividing of the land.

The U.S. has been blessed for their historic support of Israel. At the very least , the U.S. will lose some of the blessings if they continue to stand against Israel in these kind of issues.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Technically, it's a split between Jews, Muslims, and the RCC. I dread that day as I believe the US will be heavily judged for our involvement in the dividing of the land.

Perhaps, but the judgement would only be added on top of a long list of offenses that have merited such a thing. Participating in the division of Jerusalem, if we do participate and if the article cited is correct, would only increase to that.

 

[BenAdam]

well, i did not read the link, but if israel is involved, and it's their call, why will i be judged here, as a son of the blessing of Abraham, for what they do over there, all while they are under a curse Gal 3:10, and are not sons of Abe, all while people quote the blessing curse thing, given to Abe the gentile while he was a gentile, in 12:3, all while it said father of many nations, a gentile inclusive definition.

So I can't be cursed, they are cursed, I am in the promised blessing, it is not about land with the church, or this constant fusing of the US, with israel, we are in NT times now, the body of Christ is not jew or greek, gal 3:28, Col 3:11,they are not children of God, the Jews, by flesh, rom 9:8.

Because, you know, Israel!

 

[Frogster]

Because, you know, Israel!

many people in the church at large, think we need to do this>>>> at the mention of Israel... (just a lil joke)

 

[Frogster]

Gee, lets get all of the blessed sons of Abraham in the US first....


my oh my, at least curse russia, and iran, and every other UN nation, and save us good ole boys, us Abrahamic heirs for last, as cursed israel, is somehow exempt.:o

What about the people in Norway, lets get them, and those terrible Jappanese too...

no wait, I like Norwegion salmon, and japan makes cool stuff, so get them later on..thanks! frog.

 

[Frogster]

gee, romans 5 covers the 2 headships, both Adam's, i don't see me being under the headship of flesh, humanty, or a small land mass, or their government, i am under the headship of Christ, not obama, not netenyahu..

it is 2014.

 

[Yitzchak]

There is a history behind this issue.

In 1949 , the Israeli cabinet declared Jerusalem , the capital of Israel.


The United States Government passed the Jerusalem Embassy act in 1995.
The proposed law was adopted by the Senate (93–5), and the House (374–37).

The act asserted that every country has a right to designate the capital of its choice, and that Israel has designated Jerusalem. The act notes that "the city of Jerusalem is the seat of Israel's President, Parliament, and Supreme Court, and the site of numerous government ministries and social and cultural institutions." Jerusalem is defined as the spiritual center of Judaism. Furthermore, it stipulates that since the reunification of Jerusalem in 1967, religious freedom has been guaranteed to all.
S. 1322 also stated that "Jerusalem should be recognized as the capital of the State of Israel; and the United States Embassy in Israel should be established in Jerusalem no later than May 31, 1999".

Since passage, the law has never been implemented, because of opposition from Presidents Clinton, Bush, and Obama, who view it as a Congressional infringement on the executive branch’s constitutional authority over foreign policy; they have consistently claimed the presidential waiver on national security interests.

Jerusalem Embassy Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The United States embassy remains in Tel Aviv because the United States has not wanted to be seen as siding with Israel on Jerusalem as their permanent capital. In other words , they want to play both sides , the Israelis and the Palestinians and leave the door open to yank Jerusalem away from Israel.


President Obama is now pressuring Israel to divide Jerusalem. The United States refusal to stand behind our ally is lacking in integrity and bowing to pressure from anti Israeli interests.

As it states in the Jerusalem embassy act , it has been the policy of the United States to recognize the capital city that a nation chooses for itself. That is with the exception of Israel. In the case of Israel , the United States has refused to recognize Israel's choice for a capital because they have plans to use it's capital as a bargaining chip.

Try reversing the roles. Imagine if a foreign Government was negotiating with Al Quida to give them parts of Washington D.C. in an exchange for a promise of partial peace.

 

[Frogster]

If obama 'sins', it is my sin?

 

[Faulty]

If obama 'sins', it is my sin?

Judgment falls on nations based on the actions of its leaders. A good example of that is the judgment on David's sin in 2 Samuel 24 where the nation would experience either famine, enemy oppression, or pestilence as a result. The people suffered due to his sin.

 

[Zugzwang]

If obama 'sins', it is my sin?

You might wanna read up on Joshua 7 for your answer.

Also, I think some of you need to realize we haven't been "allies" of Israel for quite some time. Pushing "land for peace",( land that isn't even ours, or theirs but God's no less) while claiming The US supports Israel.

Hogwash.

What else do you call it when we are committing "regime change" and replacing these leaders with the muslim brotherhood & the like.

Gimme a break.

 

[lismore]

Jerusalem shall be the one and undivided capital of Israel, the Lord himself shall reign as King over the whole earth from Jerusalem.

Anyone who tries to thwart the manifestation of God's prophecies regarding Jerusalem is fighting against God and cannot win.

 

[Yitzchak]

Jerusalem shall be the one and undivided capital of Israel, the Lord himself shall reign as King over the whole earth from Jerusalem.

Anyone who tries to thwart the manifestation of God's prophecies regarding Jerusalem is fighting against God and cannot win.

Good point.

 

[Yitzchak]

You might wanna read up on Joshua 7 for your answer.

Also, I think some of you need to realize we haven't been "allies" of Israel for quite some time. Pushing "land for peace",( land that isn't even ours, or theirs but God's no less) while claiming The US supports Israel.

Hogwash.

What else do you call it when we are committing "regime change" and replacing these leaders with the muslim brotherhood & the like.

Gimme a break.

Also Daniel wrote about his prayer where he prayed "we" meaning him and his nation Israel.

Dan 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
Dan 9:3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:
Dan 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
Dan 9:5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments:
Dan 9:6 Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land.

One of the most common errors that people make when interpreting the Bible is treating the corporate things as individual things. It skews my doctrine when I look at everything in the Bible as all about me and neglect the fact that many things int eh scripture are speaking to the group.

 

[Yitzchak]

I did want to say that I think that i9t is a little bit overstated to say that the United States is anti Israel. If the United States was totally anti Israel , they would have invaded or nuked Israel a long time ago. Unlike many of the Arab nations which hate Israel , America actually has the military might to devastate Israel if they choose to.

What I think I a more accurate portrayal is to say that support for Israel has been at times divided and the United States has sometimes played both sides with Israel's enemies. But looking around the world , the United States has been one of the nations which has supported Israel the most as compared to other nations.

I think that the way that it works is that God leans towards grace and sometimes it is not that a nation is totally cursed , but rather that they lose out on some blessings and have some negative but measured judgements come against them. I think it is a measure for measure thing. To the mesaure that the United States blesses Israel , they will be blessed for it.

We all can see that America has been a blessed nation and that they have back slid over the past several decades.

We see the measure for measure thing in both the positive and the negative.

Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Also , America needs to be careful about pulling the beam out her own eye before judging Israel for her shortcomings.

Anyway , America both supports Israel and sometimes lets Israel down. It is a mix. I like this quote from President Lyndon Johnson...

When asked by Soviet Premier Aleksei Kosygin why the U.S. supported Israel when there are 80 million Arabs and only three million Israelis, the President replied simply:

"Because it is right."

President Calvin Coolidge said.

"The Jews themselves, of whom a considerable number were already scattered throughout the colonies, were true to the teachings of their prophets. The Jewish faith is predominantly the faith of liberty "

John F Kennedy...

This nation, from the time of President Woodrow Wilson, has established and continued a tradition of friendship with Israel because we are committed to all free societies that seek a path to peace and honor individual right. In the prophetic spirit of Zionism all free men today look to a better world and in the experience of Zionism we know that it takes courage and perseverance and dedication to achieve it."

Richard Nixon

the United States stands by its friends and that "Israel is one of its friends.

Jimmy Carter

The United States has a warm and a unique relationship of friendship with Israel that is morally right. It is compatible with our deepest religious convictions, and it is right in terms of America's own strategic interests. We are committed to Israel's security, prosperity, and future as a land that has so much to offer the world.

Ronald Reagan

Since the rebirth of the State of Israel, there has been an ironclad bond between that democracy and this one.

George W. Bush

We will speak up for our principles and we weill stand up for our friends in the world, And one of our most important friends in the world is the State of Israel

Barak Obama

we [America] stand with Israel as a Jewish democratic state because we know that Israel is born of firmly held values that we, as Americans, share: a culture committed to justice, a land that welcomes the weary, a people devoted to tikkun olam. Furthermore, We're going to keep standing with our Israeli friends and allies

Tikkun Olam is a Hebrew /Jewish concept which means to make the world a better place.


Since world war two , Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of money from the United States. Ranked number one in the nations which the United States has supported financially. The United States provides hundreds of millions of dollars of support to Israel every year along with military support such as the sale of bunker buster bombs to Israel in 2009, approved by Barak Obama. These bombs would be strategically advantageous if Israel had to bomb Iran.

 

[Frogster]

Judgment falls on nations based on the actions of its leaders. A good example of that is the judgment on David's sin in 2 Samuel 24 where the nation would experience either famine, enemy oppression, or pestilence as a result. The people suffered due to his sin.

But I am in the new cov, a man does not die for the sins of another..a third Adam now?

Again, why would I be judged, for the sins , especially of the unsaved?

Double judgment?

Would you be judged if you sinned local mayor sinned?

Actually, there are tons of pro israel Christians in the US, and you are tallking about OT nations, who were not saved, and the vast majority, were enemies of israel, and all this talk of US gettin git, while they reject the messiah, lets have equal judgment please, lets get them in a famine first, thanks, frog..

 

[Faulty]

But I am in the new cov, a man does not die for the sins of another..a third Adam now?

Again, why would I be judged, for the sins , especially of the unsaved?

Double judgment?

Would you be judged if you sinned local mayor sinned?

Actually, there are tons of pro israel Christians in the US, and you are tallking about OT nations, who were not saved, and the vast majority, were enemies of israel, and all this talk of US gettin git, while they reject the messiah, lets have equal judgment please, lets get them in a famine first, thanks, frog..

It's the judgment upon a nation, not on you personally. God is able to preserve you through His judgement. You aren't discerning the scope or the groups involved. Not everything is about you.

 

[Frogster]

You might wanna read up on Joshua 7 for your answer.

Also, I think some of you need to realize we haven't been "allies" of Israel for quite some time. Pushing "land for peace",( land that isn't even ours, or theirs but God's no less) while claiming The US supports Israel.

Hogwash.

What else do you call it when we are committing "regime change" and replacing these leaders with the muslim brotherhood & the like.

Gimme a break.

ummm..we may want to read Josh 23, they got the land, but have now broke the old cov, that they would have to keep, to retain, they can't keep the old cov, nor is the old cov for the church. 70 Ad was it, it's over..

How can anyone want to see the jews trying to live out the old cov, which they can't, all which shows they reject the new cov?



Josh 23:15 But just as all the good things that the Lord your God promised concerning you have been fulfilled for you, so the Lord will bring upon you all the evil things, until he has destroyed you from off this good land that the Lord your God has given you, 16 if you transgress the covenant of the Lord your God, which he commanded you, and go and serve other gods and bow down to them. Then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you, and you shall perish quickly from off the good land that he has given to you.”