Why I am 7th Day Adventist, and not of any other faith...

[Setyoufree]

Then we disagree.

You aren't disagreeing with me, but rather Paul. And he is inspired by God.

 

[Keachian]

Why I am not an SDA, one word found in the Epistle to the Hebrews to talk about Christ's work in the heavenly sanctuary; ἐφάπαξ

Having described the yearly day of atonement work of the High Priest under Moses in 9:6-10 the Writer then goes on to say that Christ appeared as High Priest and entered in once for all (ἐφάπα&#958 to make atonement for the people of God, there is no reason to think that Christ entered in part way to wait a while, no this is dismissed, Christ has made purification for sins and sat down at the right hand of the majesty on high (Heb 1:3), he is superior to the High Priest (Heb 4-10) under Moses just as he is superior to Moses and the Angels (Heb 3-4 and 1-2 resp.)

 

[from scratch]

You aren't disagreeing with me, but rather Paul. And he is inspired by God.

That I doubt very much. I fully agree with everything Paul wrote.

 

[from scratch]

Why I am not an SDA, one word found in the Epistle to the Hebrews to talk about Christ's work in the heavenly sanctuary; ἐφάπαξ

Having described the yearly day of atonement work of the High Priest under Moses in 9:6-10 the Writer then goes on to say that Christ appeared as High Priest and entered in once for all (ἐφάπα&#958 to make atonement for the people of God, there is no reason to think that Christ entered in part way to wait a while, no this is dismissed, Christ has made purification for sins and sat down at the right hand of the majesty on high (Heb 1:3), he is superior to the High Priest (Heb 4-10) under Moses just as he is superior to Moses and the Angels (Heb 3-4 and 1-2 resp.)

So is this work still going on after a hundred plus years? Why is it taking Jesus (God) so long to do what a Levite priest did in one day? Isn't there more issue to it than presented?

 

[SG9]

And this is why I am not a Seventh day adventist. They follow a prophetess, albeit they claim to be an image of the Laodicean church. That church is not said to have a prophetess; IMO, it's a cop-out, and a deception.

The following is what should apply to the SDA church:
Revelation 2:20
King James Version (KJV)
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

God sees her as Jezebel, or having the same spirit of. There is currently only one church on earth that has a woman at the head of the church; no other church may be this one.

Thanks

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

And this is why I am not a Seventh day adventist. They follow a prophetess, albeit they claim to be an image of the Laodicean church. That church is not said to have a prophetess; IMO, it's a cop-out, and a deception.

The following is what should apply to the SDA church:
Revelation 2:20
King James Version (KJV)
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

God sees her as Jezebel, or having the same spirit of. There is currently only one church on earth that has a woman at the head of the church; no other church may be this one.

Thanks

Ellen White is an interesting woman

http://www.christianforums.com/t3078067-47/#post24673636
Was Ellen White a prophetess or a hoax..




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[Setyoufree]

That I doubt very much. I fully agree with everything Paul wrote.

Good...I gave you Paul and therefore we are in agreement.

 

[Setyoufree]

Ellen White is an interesting woman

Yes, but when I attended an SDA church (1988 to 1997) I found her very legalistic, until I first read my Bible. Of course that's after I left the Adventist church.

Later I found the following:

"Many see much to admire in the life of Christ. But true love for him can never dwell in the heart of the self-righteous. Not to see our own deformity is not to see the beauty of Christ’s character. When we are fully awake to our own sinfulness, we shall appreciate Christ. The more humble are our views of ourselves, the more clearly we shall see the spotless character of Jesus. He who says, “I am holy, I am sinless,” is self-deceived. Some have said this, and some even dare to say, “I am Christ.” To entertain such a thought is blasphemy. Not to see the marked contrast between Christ and ourselves is not to know ourselves. He who does not abhor himself can not understand the meaning of redemption."

"We may flatter ourselves, as did Nicodemus, that our moral character has been correct, and we need not humble ourselves before God, like the common sinner....We must renounce our own righteousness, and plead for the righteousness of Christ to be imputed to us."

"We may have flattered ourselves, as did Nicodemus, that our life has been upright, that our moral character is correct, and think that we need not humble the heart before God, like the common sinner: but when the light from Christ shines into our souls, we shall see how impure we are; we shall discern the selfishness of motive, the enmity against God, that has defiled every act of life. Then we shall know that our own righteousness is indeed as filthy rags, and that the blood of Christ alone can cleanse us from the defilement of sin, and renew our hearts in His own likeness."

"Perfection through our own good works we can never attain. The soul who sees Jesus by faith repudiates his own righteousness. He sees himself as incomplete, his repentance insufficient, his strongest faith but feebleness, his most costly sacrifice as meager, and he sinks in humility at the foot of the cross. But a voice speaks to him from the oracles of God’s Word. In amazement he hears the message, “Ye are complete in him”. Now all is at rest in his soul. No longer must he strive to find some worthiness in himself, some meritorious deed by which to gain the favor of God."

 

[SG9]

Ellen White is an interesting woman

http://www.christianforums.com/t3078067-47/#post24673636
Was Ellen White a prophetess or a hoax..
.

Yes, Ellen is very interesting, indeed! I've spent a lot of years examining churches and this one, SDA I too visited many times and a few of them to compare. There are many points to discuss but I'll make at least two here for analysis:

First, she suffered a deadly head wound, and she lived. She was in the care of the government for some time after her injury where they conducted experiments on her brain. Even the doctors then were amazed that she survived the blow to the head with a large stone. IMO, this is a trait of her mother, the Mother of Harlots, just like the RCC. The difference is, she is diverse from her mother, she keeps another day as the Lord's day Sabbath.

The characteristics fit that of the False Prophet perfectly. What ever her mother does spiritually, she does naturally, and visa verse, the mother does things naturally, and she does things spiritually. The deceptions are hidden neatly under veil of a prophetess who speaks cunningly but underneath is a viper.

The other thing is that I noticed is all of the congregation in the SDA seem to be on many different pages; I've studied the Eden incident closely, and a number of papers written by Ellen and her followers will differ dramatically. I have not found two people alike in that church. Their college instructors will also differ from her writings concerning the Eden event. That is one area under horrible attack because of the endeavor to hide the truth about the woman, Eve because the SDA church must protect their image as an Holy congregation.

The churches also differ in their statement about her position as a prophet. The White site has posted a disclaimer and they tell it another way. You will find inconsistency in all of those churches. They even have knock-offs that have left the SDA church but they took the woman with them, and they dissect her writings because they too disagree with much while missing the point of it all, entirely.

Thanks

 

[Strong in Him]

Why I am 7th Day Adventist, and not of any other faith...

It has to do with this text:

Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God? Psalms 77:13

It's absolutely fine to share your faith, and to say that you're happy with it. I'm pleased for you.

As long as it's not a prelude to saying "I belong to the SDAs and you must too, because we're right."

 

[SG9]

It's absolutely fine to share your faith, and to say that you're happy with it. I'm pleased for you.

As long as it's not a prelude to saying "I belong to the SDAs and you must too, because we're right."

Good point, but there are many in that church that do say that, in fact, I can recall many of their professed scholars say exactly that, they say to "come out of her my people and into the SDA church or else be lost". I don't know how else I would interpret that. I will not post the reference due to possible forum restrictions against it but there is one SDA website that I just quoted that from. It's a SDA prophecy site, and not from the corporate church. This is why I addressed their diversity in Church doctrines, it appears that they have created a spirit in their congregation that even rebels against their own prophetess.

There's a lot of turmoil in that church, and the heat of it seems to have settled down now that the women got their way in the corporate church. The one woman has influenced a great number of their women to rebel against the men, and press for pastoral ordination.

Thanks

 

[from scratch]

And this is why I am not a Seventh day adventist. They follow a prophetess, albeit they claim to be an image of the Laodicean church. That church is not said to have a prophetess; IMO, it's a cop-out, and a deception.

The following is what should apply to the SDA church:
Revelation 2:20
King James Version (KJV)
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

God sees her as Jezebel, or having the same spirit of. There is currently only one church on earth that has a woman at the head of the church; no other church may be this one.

Thanks

Christian Science also has a woman founder with many works guiding the adherents.

 

[SG9]

Christian Science also has a woman founder with many works guiding the adherents.

They are not the same, as Christian science is a mocker of the same. There is only one Church that arose before the CS denomination. Do the CS church keep also Saturday as their Sabbath? If not, that too is proving them not a candidate for the False Prophet-ed church.

 

[from scratch]

They are not the same, as Christian science is a mocker of the same. There is only one Church that arose before the CS denomination. Do the CS church keep also Saturday as their Sabbath? If not, that too is proving them not a candidate for the False Prophet-ed church.

Those who promote the 7th day Sabbath as a requirement are promoting Judaism and not Christianity. So I question their position as Christians. I believe one is what they promote. They promote salvation by works eliminating the need for a savior. How can that be Christianity?

 

[Setyoufree]

Those who promote the 7th day Sabbath as a requirement are promoting Judaism and not Christianity.

No, the Sabbath is God's. The Sabbath was made for mankind, not just the Jews. So it is God's Sabbath, not mankind's...not the Jew's.

However, yes, the SDA who is presenting the Sabbath as a requirement of salvation is teaching OC principles. He or she is presenting subtle legalism.

However, my brother, did you say you are no longer sinful? That too is legalism....

So be careful because when you condemn another you do the same....

 

[SG9]

Those who promote the 7th day Sabbath as a requirement are promoting Judaism and not Christianity. So I question their position as Christians. I believe one is what they promote. They promote salvation by works eliminating the need for a savior. How can that be Christianity?

I myself don't really know how to label the SDA practice of Sabbath keeping, such as whether it be Judaism or any other but I do agree that it becomes legalistic in sense of their doctrinal concepts.

To me, the Sabbath is not just a day of worship but it was a day on which God made a covenant with humankind, the male and the female so that they are balanced in His Law/Yoke and this way they are one in Christ and no longer seen apart from God as male or female. The reason being that even males become the bride of the bridegroom.

God is no respecter of persons, which means He cannot be because of His covenant, and it was so that the man and the woman, and their righteous offspring may be joint heirs in all that God owns. The world today that is not keeping the Covenant are doing so because they find the world more appealing and attractive than the treasures of heaven, which they cannot see but they sure do see what's in this world and in front of them as all things that are wicked are being promoted and pushed hard on us, as eye candy.

The key factor is the covenant that does determine also the spirit of the human, and this is why we were made in the Image of the Father and the Likeness of the Son. In prophecy, the Son is also a feminine figure, albeit He is not homosexual nor a female but only is in the Spiritual sense so to make the covenant as it is a marriage contract with God.

To not keep the feasts and Sabbaths is the same as divorcing God by breaking off that covenant that was made in the very Beginning, and made in God. The outward appearance of any church, and in this case, the SDA church, it seems okay and fine to her followers but there are other issues that make that Sabbath a counterfeit, and not the same as the first covenant.

There are too many topics of concern in this matter of the SDA church than I dare to address, or even be allowed to because of Forum restrictions so I'll cut this short to say that we should be keeping the Sabbath but not to celebrate it with the SDA church nor any other church at this time.

At this present time, the entire world is in violation of the covenant, and all fingers pointed at this church or that church is nonsense, really. We then become the accuser of the brethren just as they do, and we are no better than they.

In spite of all the propaganda about certain days of worship, and Sunday being the popular day in the USA, I find one Bible reference that is a stumbling block to those who worship on Sunday, and I have never seen anyone of them use Matthew 28:1 as reference because it is a stumbling block for Sunday worshipers.

I believe that it is the difference between Protestantism and the Old school Sabbath keepers who did keep it as a sign of the Covenant, and not as the Protestants do.

It's sort of like a homeowner who lives in a home by the contract that was made between the buyer and seller but when he/she leaves the home, the contract is null and void, and he/she is no longer the homeowner while they are away. Thanks

Matthew 28:1
King James Version (KJV)
28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

 

[from scratch]

I myself don't really know how to label the SDA practice of Sabbath keeping, such as whether it be Judaism or any other but I do agree that it becomes legalistic in sense of their doctrinal concepts.

To me, the Sabbath is not just a day of worship but it was a day on which God made a covenant with humankind, the male and the female so that they are balanced in His Law/Yoke and this way they are one in Christ and no longer seen apart from God as male or female. The reason being that even males become the bride of the bridegroom.

God is no respecter of persons, which means He cannot be because of His covenant, and it was so that the man and the woman, and their righteous offspring may be joint heirs in all that God owns. The world today that is not keeping the Covenant are doing so because they find the world more appealing and attractive than the treasures of heaven, which they cannot see but they sure do see what's in this world and in front of them as all things that are wicked are being promoted and pushed hard on us, as eye candy.

The key factor is the covenant that does determine also the spirit of the human, and this is why we were made in the Image of the Father and the Likeness of the Son. In prophecy, the Son is also a feminine figure, albeit He is not homosexual nor a female but only is in the Spiritual sense so to make the covenant as it is a marriage contract with God.

To not keep the feasts and Sabbaths is the same as divorcing God by breaking off that covenant that was made in the very Beginning, and made in God. The outward appearance of any church, and in this case, the SDA church, it seems okay and fine to her followers but there are other issues that make that Sabbath a counterfeit, and not the same as the first covenant.

There are too many topics of concern in this matter of the SDA church than I dare to address, or even be allowed to because of Forum restrictions so I'll cut this short to say that we should be keeping the Sabbath but not to celebrate it with the SDA church nor any other church at this time.

At this present time, the entire world is in violation of the covenant, and all fingers pointed at this church or that church is nonsense, really. We then become the accuser of the brethren just as they do, and we are no better than they.

In spite of all the propaganda about certain days of worship, and Sunday being the popular day in the USA, I find one Bible reference that is a stumbling block to those who worship on Sunday, and I have never seen anyone of them use Matthew 28:1 as reference because it is a stumbling block for Sunday worshipers.

I believe that it is the difference between Protestantism and the Old school Sabbath keepers who did keep it as a sign of the Covenant, and not as the Protestants do.

It's sort of like a homeowner who lives in a home by the contract that was made between the buyer and seller but when he/she leaves the home, the contract is null and void, and he/she is no longer the homeowner while they are away. Thanks

Matthew 28:1
King James Version (KJV)
28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

It sure isn't a stumbling block for me. Furthermore I've not idea why it would be for anyone.

I will say this though - the 7th day Sabbath isn't part of orthodox Christianity.

I do think Romans 14 and Col 2 handle the issue very well. It should be noted and applies what Galatians also says about the law and obligation to it.

 

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[BobRyan]

Hebrews 10: 9 Then he (Jesus) said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." .... 10 And by that will (by Christ's doing & dying), we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

So in Christ Jesus we stand holy because of His doing & dying. He did this once for all mankind.

Now the to the sanctuary truth:

19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body (his humanity)....

Did everyone get that? We can enter the Most Holy Place because of Christ. We can come boldly into the presence of God and His law in Christ Jesus because in Him we have been made holy.

So Christ is the veil between the holy and most holy place.

Some translations pay close to attention to the holy place vs the most holy place in the book of Hebrews - while other translations call it all the "Most Holy Place" without paying attention to the difference in Greek words.

In this case the NASB pays close attention to the actual word used.

Heb 10:19-20 NASB
19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus,
20 by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh,
21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God,

So while much of the points in the prior post above are certainly true - the idea of resting on a mistake in a translation is not as good.

in Christ,

Bob